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post #3721 of 5693
All the answers to BD forced subtitles are contained in this thread. Look over the posts going back a couple months.
post #3722 of 5693
Okay, my current process is extracting each subtitle track using MKVExtract, checking for foreign/alien language tracks using BDSup2Sub, and flagging those to forced and remuxing via MKVMerge.

...what a pain!

But I don't get why two subtitle options remain under MPC when there's only one track:

post #3723 of 5693
Nevermind, I get it. The "forced subtitles" option is more of a system setting that tells the player to display any tracks with the "forced" flag even when they're not specifically selected. That option is unfortunately moot for me, since I am only retaining forced subtitle tracks in the MKV.
post #3724 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

All the answers to BD forced subtitles are contained in this thread. Look over the posts going back a couple months.

Do I get Clown BD to stop after eac3to (so I can examine the sub files) by checking BATCH? Then how do I proceed with remuxing after using bdsup2sub?

I'm sorry if I missed it but all the guides say to stop and look at the sub files, but I haven't found *how* I stop.

Jeff
post #3725 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Do I get Clown BD to stop after eac3to (so I can examine the sub files) by checking BATCH? Then how do I proceed with remuxing after using bdsup2sub?

I'm sorry if I missed it but all the guides say to stop and look at the sub files, but I haven't found *how* I stop.

Jeff

If you're going to do this step then just use eac3to to demux. Why bother with Clown? C:\>eac3to "movie folder or file name" -demux
It'll save you tons of time as well.
post #3726 of 5693
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Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

If you're going to do this step then just use eac3to to demux. Why bother with Clown? C:\>eac3to "movie folder or file name" -demux
It'll save you tons of time as well.

Thanks. Don't I need Clown as a front end/GUI for eac3to? Is it Clown or eac3to that is doing the analysis of the disc and then displaying the playlists, audio, yadda yadda yadda from which I select what I want?

Jeff
post #3727 of 5693
Every GUI app uses eac3to as the core. That is why using eac3to directly is always better.
post #3728 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Every GUI app uses eac3to as the core. That is why using eac3to directly is always better.

Sure, but my command line skilz don't go much beyond ipconfig and ping.

Jeff
post #3729 of 5693
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Do I get Clown BD to stop after eac3to (so I can examine the sub files) by checking BATCH? Then how do I proceed with remuxing after using bdsup2sub?

I'm sorry if I missed it but all the guides say to stop and look at the sub files, but I haven't found *how* I stop.

Jeff
Using Clown_BD as the front end you can have it only run the demux stage (eac3to) and you can select your streams to demux so you can have it only demux the English subtitle tracks for the fastest processing -- it takes me less than 5 min to do this.Afterwards you an inspect the subtitles to see which, if any, are forced.
post #3730 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Using Clown_BD as the front end you can have it only run the demux stage (eac3to) and you can select your streams to demux so you can have it only demux the English subtitle tracks for the fastest processing -- it takes me less than 5 min to do this.Afterwards you an inspect the subtitles to see which, if any, are forced.

R-r-r-ight, and how do I have it run only the demux stage and ... stop? smile.gif Uncheck the box for tsMuxer maybe? If so, how do I resume?
post #3731 of 5693
Seriously.... rolleyes.gif I put the command in my last post:
Code:
C:\>eac3to "movie folder or file name" -demux

That's literally all you have to do. Either use a single file (like a MKV or a mpls file) or a BD folder structure. The best way is to determine the correct playlist first and then use the .mpls file. So put the eac3to executable directory wherever you want and launch it from the full path. Say your eac3to is located in D:\Downloads\eac3to and your movie is D:\Rips\The Movie! and the correct playlist is 00001.mpls
Code:
C:\users\pepar>D:\Downloads\eac3to\eac3to.exe "D:\Rips\The Movie!\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00001.mpls" -demux

This will dump all the files you need into the C:\users\pepar directory. Run the executable from whatever directory you want the demuxed files to be created.

I typically put tools like this in my C:\Program Files (x86) directory and I put them in my environment variables so I can just call the program from the command line without using the full path every time. It's also easier to use them in scripts that way.
post #3732 of 5693
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Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

Seriously.... rolleyes.gif I put the command in my last post:
Code:
C:\>eac3to "movie folder or file name" -demux

Umm, yeah, it didn't start with ipconfig or ping, so I ignored it. wink.gif
Quote:
That's literally all you have to do. Either use a single file (like a MKV or a mpls file) or a BD folder structure. The best way is to determine the correct playlist first and then use the .mpls file. So put the eac3to executable directory wherever you want and launch it from the full path. Say your eac3to is located in D:\Downloads\eac3to and your movie is D:\Rips\The Movie! and the correct playlist is 00001.mpls
Code:
C:\users\pepar>D:\Downloads\eac3to\eac3to.exe "D:\Rips\The Movie!\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00001.mpls" -demux

This will dump all the files you need into the C:\users\pepar directory. Run the executable from whatever directory you want the demuxed files to be created.

I typically put tools like this in my C:\Program Files (x86) directory and I put them in my environment variables so I can just call the program from the command line without using the full path every time. It's also easier to use them in scripts that way.

How will it know which playlist I want to use and then which video and audio? Subs? I'm really better off sticking with a graphical user interface.

Jeff
post #3733 of 5693
If you do a command of the root of the disc/folder you get a list of all the playlists.

Example...if your movie folder is d:\ripedmovie\title\

then you do eac3to d:\rippedmovie\title\
post #3734 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Sure, but my command line skilz don't go much beyond ipconfig and ping.

Jeff
Assuming eac3to is in the path, if not, add it to your path.
Make a batch file: eac3to %1% -demux
Drag your movie file onto said batch file
Go have a beer
post #3735 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Umm, yeah, it didn't start with ipconfig or ping, so I ignored it. wink.gif
How will it know which playlist I want to use and then which video and audio? Subs? I'm really better off sticking with a graphical user interface.

Jeff

It splits all your video, audio, subs and chapters into different files which you just drag and drop into MKVMerge. Set them to the proper language and set the default flag to either yes or no and mux into a MKV. It takes half the time of Clown and it does it in 2 steps instead of the 47 or however the F many steps Clown does.
post #3736 of 5693
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

R-r-r-ight, and how do I have it run only the demux stage and ... stop? smile.gif Uncheck the box for tsMuxer maybe?
Correct. Uncheck TSMuxer
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If so, how do I resume?
There is nothing to resume. You have only pulled out the subtitles to inspect them.
You want to end up with an MKV file, so you could use Clown_BD and pick and demux your video, audio and English subtitle streams. Then go into the demux folder and inspect the subtitles. Delete the ones you don't want. Then use whatever program suits you to remux the streams into an MKV file.

Alternatively, you could re-examine your reasons for wanting to use MKV and consider whether .m2ts would be just as suitable. Then you could use Clown_BD for the whole job. Clown_BD is a very nice GUI that helps you select the playlist and streams that you want to process and then builds complex command lines for the utilities that do the work. This was all beat to death a month ago in this thread.
post #3737 of 5693
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post #3738 of 5693
I've been using this rip utility for a couple of years, it's called blu2mkv and it works on about everything I throw at it. Unfortunately, the author quit supporting it two years ago but it still works pretty well. I like that it automatically includes forced subtitles (if you check the appropriate box) - very simple to use. You can google for the link it can be found on slysofts forum.
post #3739 of 5693
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Originally Posted by agogley View Post

A few weeks ago, I started a thread about how I should go about ripping BR. See Ripping Blu Rays.


Anyways, I've setup my NAS and Dune Media Player so now I can share my own experience.


The consensus from the first thread was that I should rip my BR's to an ISO file. So that's what I decided to do.


1.) AnyDVD HD - You absolutely need something to strip the protection so you can rip the BR. As usual, such protections mean little to thieves but prevent those of us who paid for our product from using it in the manner we desire. You just have to pony up for this program. UPDATE: I ran ANYDVD Ripper to rip an ISO and it came out the same as IMGBRN (did not remove the previews, even though that box was checked). It was 42GB in size. And it took longer than IMGBRN.


2.) IMGBRN - Great program. Free. Works with ease. You simply tell the program where to burn your file and then hit one button. Very easy interface and it works quickly. Did I mention it is free? Unfortunately, budget and space prevented me from simply using this program. It burns a 1 to 1 image from your BD, meaning you get all the previews, the ability to choose scene, extra features, etc. This takes up about 40-50 GBs per average BD. That's a measly 25 movies per TB. How many of us can afford 8TB solutions? Yeah, thought the number was low.


3.) Clown_BD - This program requires you to download the other programs with it, including the aforementioned IMGBRN. The program takes forever and a day and sometimes stalls. I've found it best to rip the movies with this program directly to my PC and then to transfer to my NAS. Good news, is this is also free. It also strips out the previews, FBI warning, extra features, etc. This means your movie plays much faster from your content streamer (from start) and cuts down the size by as much as 70%. For example, I ran Disney's Bambi through IMGBRN. It generated an ISO of approximately 43GB. I ran it through Clown_BD and it generated an ISO of only 13GB. That's pretty big savings. You can find out how to use it thanks to dbone1026 dbone's clown_bd user guide.


4.) I haven't yet ripped my box sets. But I think I have it figured out. BD box sets can be ripped into individual episodes using Clown_BD above. Otherwise, you need to use some other software. I'm using handbrake (which nows supports BD). Again, thanks to dbone1026 who wrote a guide. Dbone's guide to ripping box sets


5.) Handbrake - free software. It will rip movies into MKV. It's also useful for converting your ISO files to something compatible with your Iphone/Ipad. It's pretty easy to use as well.


6.) MakeMKV - It is similar to handbrake. It's free. However, I find Handbrake has more options and runs a little faster. That's my opinion, others really like it. I suggest you check both out for yourself and see which you like better.


7.) If you rip to ISO, just know now that your PC software such as Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra 11 will not read them unless you "mount" them first. I use SlySoft's VirtualCloneDrive for this. It's free and work's great. You simply right click on the file and "mount" it. BTW, if you don't know what it means to "mount" your file it basically means to trick your PC into thinking that it has another media drive. Then your software will read it like it reads an actual BD. You'll see what I mean when you rip your ISO and try to play it.


8.) After ripping the ISOs and getting them onto my NAS, I'm using Zappiti as my video jukebox on my Dune. It's pretty awesome, but you need to have a Dune player.


Anyways, I hope these threads will be useful to others.


agogley,

It would be great if you could update your original post above with your findings over the last 2+ years. Has your opinion changed regarding what works best?

Thank you!
post #3740 of 5693
I'm running into a strange error in a bunch of my MakeMKV rips. When I jump to certain chapters, I'll get a frame that has significant blocking. There is no blocking whatsoever if the video plays between chapters normally, so it's definitely the chapter jumps that are triggering it.



Has anyone run into this?
Edited by Megalith - 8/12/13 at 3:01pm
post #3741 of 5693
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelson View Post


Correct. Uncheck TSMuxer
There is nothing to resume. You have only pulled out the subtitles to inspect them.
You want to end up with an MKV file, so you could use Clown_BD and pick and demux your video, audio and English subtitle streams. Then go into the demux folder and inspect the subtitles. Delete the ones you don't want. Then use whatever program suits you to remux the streams into an MKV file.

Alternatively, you could re-examine your reasons for wanting to use MKV and consider whether .m2ts would be just as suitable. Then you could use Clown_BD for the whole job. Clown_BD is a very nice GUI that helps you select the playlist and streams that you want to process and then builds complex command lines for the utilities that do the work. This was all beat to death a month ago in this thread.

I do use .m2ts, and I do remember the beating, but was missing the detail of how to stop after eac3to so I could examine. Is there a way to "resume" with Clown BD and TSMuxer? Or at that point, should I manually remux?

Thanks,

Jeff
post #3742 of 5693
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I do use .m2ts, and I do remember the beating, but was missing the detail of how to stop after eac3to so I could examine. Is there a way to "resume" with Clown BD and TSMuxer? Or at that point, should I manually remux?

Thanks,

Jeff
There is no way to resume from the GUI. I usually just pull out the subs quickly, inspect them to make my selection then restart Clown from the beginning and do the full operation selecting all the streams. It's pretty quick.
post #3743 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

There is no way to resume from the GUI. I usually just pull out the subs quickly, inspect them to make my selection then restart Clown from the beginning and do the full operation selecting all the streams. It's pretty quick.

How do you identify forced subs within a main subtitle track doing it that way?

Edit: Nevermind... I forgot BDSup2Sub tells you how many forced subs there are... I'm assuming that's all you do?
Edited by itznfb - 8/12/13 at 7:31pm
post #3744 of 5693
Quote:
Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

How do you identify forced subs within a main subtitle track doing it that way?

Edit: Nevermind... I forgot BDSup2Sub tells you how many forced subs there are... I'm assuming that's all you do?
When the first stage of Clown is finished, any forced subtitles are extracted into their own stream file with "forced" appended to the title name.

See this post.
Edited by Kelson - 8/12/13 at 8:32pm
post #3745 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

When the first stage of Clown is finished, any forced subtitles are extracted into their own stream file with "forced" appended to the title name.

See this post.

"Forced" will not be appended to the file 100% of the time. Usually the smallest subtitle track is the Forced sub.
post #3746 of 5693
Does anyone know of a program that will allow you to rip only the files you need off of a disc? Is it simply a matter of installing something like AnyDVD HD and browsing to and copying what you need to your drive?

I just realized that the whole MKV process seems unnecessary when you can just rip the .m2ts file. The only downsides are that you can't dump tracks and there's no chapter support.

EDIT: Oh god, Spider-Man 2 is separated into like 9 million files.
Edited by Megalith - 8/13/13 at 3:50am
post #3747 of 5693
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

Does anyone know of a program that will allow you to rip only the files you need off of a disc? Is it simply a matter of installing something like AnyDVD HD and browsing to and copying what you need to your drive?

I just realized that the whole MKV process seems unnecessary when you can just rip the .m2ts file. The only downsides are that you can't dump tracks and there's no chapter support.

EDIT: Oh god, Spider-Man 2 is separated into like 9 million files.

DVDFab is good about picking out the main playlist; the playlist handles the multiple m2ts files.

If you want other features besides the main title, or if there are different versions of the main title, then you have to look at the run times of the playlists shown to pick out which you want. This is usually easy, but you do find more complicated disc structures.

-Bill
post #3748 of 5693
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

When the first stage of Clown is finished, any forced subtitles are extracted into their own stream file with "forced" appended to the title name.

See this post.

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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

"Forced" will not be appended to the file 100% of the time. Usually the smallest subtitle track is the Forced sub.

Clown will pull subs flagged as forced from the main subtitle track? What does it use to do this?
post #3749 of 5693
If you rip the subs with eac3to, the log file will tell you which files contain forced. Also, if the file only contains a dozen or so lines then it is a forced sub too.
post #3750 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

If you rip the subs with eac3to, the log file will tell you which files contain forced. Also, if the file only contains a dozen or so lines then it is a forced sub too.

^ This, which is how Clown_BD does it. Forced subs aren't always marked as forced subs though, so you need to also look at the sub file size / lines (as DotJun mentions)
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