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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

I think techflaws is saying that these "forced" subtitles are part of the normal main subtitle track, but are not flagged as forced. [...] I cannot imagine this being the case because the disc programming would have to be coded to know exactly when to enable and disabled these subtitles while the movie is playing.
I've seen only a couple of these and I can't remember which (it wasn't Star Wars, though). So maybe you're right and it was simply another stream (that contained only unflagged forced subs) that was mislabeled...
post #4292 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

Assuming you are using Clown_BD and still have the working files that Clown_BD created:
  1. Convert the .THD file to .W64 using eac3to (see eac3to help).
    Code:
    i.e. eac3to.exe Monster_University.THD Monster_University.W64
    
  2. Edit the .meta file to change the audio track extension from THD to W64 (assuming you kept the same naming convention)
  3. Go to the Log folder and open the tsMuxer.log file and copy the command on the first line
  4. Open a Windows command window in the Clown_BD working folder for the movie and run the command to remux all the streams back.

If you have deleted Clown_BD's working files, then just rerun and keep the files (ensure option is set to not delete working files and logs).

Just another note for anyone making this conversion. In the .meta file I also needed to change the codec at the beginning of the "audio" line from A_AC3 to A_LPCM. Otherwise tsMuxer got stuck looking for an AC3 stream to decode.

Other than that, the instructions worked just fine. Thank you for the instructions and help. smile.gif
Edited by Koski - 11/13/13 at 2:09pm
post #4293 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

100% positive they are not burned in cause there is a total of 5 sub tracks (Danish, English, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish) and they all show up when selected via menu. BTW, if you examine the playlist (mpls) you can see them listed but they are not listed on the m2ts by either eac3to or BD-info. No one has been able to extract the PGSs.

BTW, the IMDb name is 8-ball. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2378177/reference
I don't own that one so would you be willing to try something for me? Can you run eac3to on the main m2ts file and have it extract the English sup file then post what the log file contains? This is really interesting as I've never run into one of these before.
post #4294 of 5693
Some easy software like MakeMKV that will rip the bluray to MKV ?
post #4295 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

I don't own that one so would you be willing to try something for me? Can you run eac3to on the main m2ts file and have it extract the English sup file then post what the log file contains? This is really interesting as I've never run into one of these before.

I think you missed the part where I said that eac3to cannot see/list/extract the PGS. No one has been able to extract them. They are in some sort of Twilight Zone.
post #4296 of 5693
I'm kind of done with MakeMKV; there's just something off about the rips it produces. It seems to rip most titles fine, but inadvertently, there are some with major audio glitches or seeking issues. I might have to give DVDFab a try.
post #4297 of 5693
Eh, better yet, I'm looking for something that will let me freely explore/play back streams and copy the streams I want so I can merge them manually. Does something like AnyDVD allow me to do this?
post #4298 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

Eh, better yet, I'm looking for something that will let me freely explore/play back streams and copy the streams I want so I can merge them manually. Does something like AnyDVD allow me to do this?

AnyDVD is just a protection removal utility. It does have options for ripping to folder structure and iso though. eac3to is the best for a manual process.
post #4299 of 5693
Clown_BD is just a GUI front for eac3to and tsMuxeR. I prefer Clown_BD over MakeMKV and DVDFab because I have greater control in what to rip and how to remux. I normally start with Clown_BD and then if there is a need to tweak, I use eac3to and tsmuxer at the command line. The good thing with Clown_BD is that it creates plenty of log files along with the commands that it runs so you can always see what is going on.

MakeMKV and DVDFab does not offer me the same tweaking control to produce movie only rips with just one non-SDH English subtitle track and a forced subtitle track, if any, that is automatically selected. Because I prefer only a non-SDH (sound for the death and hearing impaired) over the SDH subtitle, I usually demux all English subtitle tracks for inspection and then remux with only the desired track. This way, there is only one subtitle track to choose during playback and at the most two if there are forced subtitles. If there are forced subtitles, I have it defaulted to be selected automatically.

In the case of some troublesome Dolby TrueHD tracks that cause drop out on my AVR, I can use eac3to to convert the Dolby TrueHD to LPCM and then remux with tsMuxeR.

So if you are looking for flexibility, then start with Clown_BD which uses eac3to and tsMuxeR. I avoid mkv for my BDs because there is always some quirks that mkv causes on my HT equipment. I keep everything in the BDMV folder structure and never had any compatibility problems with my equipment.
post #4300 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

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Originally Posted by techmattr View Post

Are you sure they aren't burned in on certain playlists with a main playlist with no subs? That is usually the case when people think there aren't sub titles files associated with certain streams. I did a search for that movie and came up with no hits though. Typo?

100% positive they are not burned in cause there is a total of 5 sub tracks (Danish, English, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish) and they all show up when selected via menu. BTW, if you examine the playlist (mpls) you can see them listed but they are not listed on the m2ts by either eac3to or BD-info. No one has been able to extract the PGSs.

BTW, the IMDb name is 8-ball. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2378177/reference

Based on what you are saying where the subtitle tracks are listed on the playlist, but not the m2ts, it tells me the subtitle is probably loaded programatically via the BD-J (Java) code. If I had to guess, the subtitles are probably residing in the jar file. In any case, this would not be considered a new way to handle subtitles, but can be considered a major disc authoring FUBAR.
post #4301 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

Clown_BD is just a GUI front for eac3to and tsMuxeR. I prefer Clown_BD over MakeMKV and DVDFab because I have greater control in what to rip and how to remux. I normally start with Clown_BD and then if there is a need to tweak, I use eac3to and tsmuxer at the command line. The good thing with Clown_BD is that it creates plenty of log files along with the commands that it runs so you can always see what is going on.

MakeMKV and DVDFab does not offer me the same tweaking control to produce movie only rips with just one non-SDH English subtitle track and a forced subtitle track, if any, that is automatically selected. Because I prefer only a non-SDH (sound for the death and hearing impaired) over the SDH subtitle, I usually demux all English subtitle tracks for inspection and then remux with only the desired track. This way, there is only one subtitle track to choose during playback and at the most two if there are forced subtitles. If there are forced subtitles, I have it defaulted to be selected automatically.

In the case of some troublesome Dolby TrueHD tracks that cause drop out on my AVR, I can use eac3to to convert the Dolby TrueHD to LPCM and then remux with tsMuxeR.

So if you are looking for flexibility, then start with Clown_BD which uses eac3to and tsMuxeR. I avoid mkv for my BDs because there is always some quirks that mkv causes on my HT equipment. I keep everything in the BDMV folder structure and never had any compatibility problems with my equipment.

Hi Mifronte

I'm close to buying DVDFab. I'm using MKV passthru to make MKV of main title, HDAudio (DTS-MA preferred over TrueHD) and English subs. Amazingly, it's got it right on the 20+ titles I've tried so far (even Now you See Me, which is a killer). I'm a bit cautious as there are tons of bad reviews on Amazon. People say they bought license X and then found they needed, X, Y and Z, which cannot be discerned from the trial as it includes everything. (is the case or just people buying on Amazon who have no clue.) Not wild about their licensing model. I'm ONLY interested in Blu-Ray to MKV 1:1 copy (no re-encoding, etc.)

I tried MKV and it seemed you might be able to specify my criteria with a profile, but the whole profile editing seems hit or miss and undocumented. Now you see me was a joke in MKV

Is it possible to setup clown_BD, etc. to have it automatically extract exactly what I need (main title, HDAudio and English subs) for 90% + of Blu-ray?

Have you (or anyone else) tried Now You See Me with ClownBD?

I have and AnyDVDHD lifetime license BTW

TIA

MArk
post #4302 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Hi Mifronte

I'm close to buying DVDFab. I'm using MKV passthru to make MKV of main title, HDAudio (DTS-MA preferred over TrueHD) and English subs. Amazingly, it's got it right on the 20+ titles I've tried so far (even Now you See Me, which is a killer). I'm a bit cautious as there are tons of bad reviews on Amazon. People say they bought license X and then found they needed, X, Y and Z, which cannot be discerned from the trial as it includes everything. (is the case or just people buying on Amazon who have no clue.) Not wild about their licensing model. I'm ONLY interested in Blu-Ray to MKV 1:1 copy (no re-encoding, etc.)

I tried MKV and it seemed you might be able to specify my criteria with a profile, but the whole profile editing seems hit or miss and undocumented. Now you see me was a joke in MKV

Is it possible to setup clown_BD, etc. to have it automatically extract exactly what I need (main title, HDAudio and English subs) for 90% + of Blu-ray?

Have you (or anyone else) tried Now You See Me with ClownBD?

I have and AnyDVDHD lifetime license BTW

TIA

MArk

It seems the only reason you're considering paying for DVDFab is for the playlist detection for movies that implement obfuscation protection. You already own AnyDVD HD which does that better than DVDFab does it. I would suggest just using AnyDVD HD and eac3to/mkvmerge. No sense in paying for the same functionality twice. I just published a guide for ripping BD on my blog for the way I now rip my movies based off of the information I've found here at AVS and a bunch of information collection done by a former member here. I go through several different ways of determining playlists. On page 6 of the post I even use Now You See Me as an example with AnyDVD HD. http://techmattr.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/a-guide-to-ripping-and-re-muxing-blu-ray-discs/6/
post #4303 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Hi Mifronte

I'm close to buying DVDFab. I'm using MKV passthru to make MKV of main title, HDAudio (DTS-MA preferred over TrueHD) and English subs. Amazingly, it's got it right on the 20+ titles I've tried so far (even Now you See Me, which is a killer). I'm a bit cautious as there are tons of bad reviews on Amazon. People say they bought license X and then found they needed, X, Y and Z, which cannot be discerned from the trial as it includes everything. (is the case or just people buying on Amazon who have no clue.) Not wild about their licensing model. I'm ONLY interested in Blu-Ray to MKV 1:1 copy (no re-encoding, etc.)

It is a bit confusing, but you only pay for what you need. In your case Blu-ray Copy. People must hate it that you can see extra functions in the menus but can't use them without paying.

I use DVDFab as the decrypter, then Handbrake for compression. Or MakeMKV for a lossless copy, but I do that only for temporary use. And mkvmerge for various utility functions.

-Bill
post #4304 of 5693
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Originally Posted by techmattr View Post

It seems the only reason you're considering paying for DVDFab is for the playlist detection for movies that implement obfuscation protection. You already own AnyDVD HD which does that better than DVDFab does it. I would suggest just using AnyDVD HD and eac3to/mkvmerge. No sense in paying for the same functionality twice. I just published a guide for ripping BD on my blog for the way I now rip my movies based off of the information I've found here at AVS and a bunch of information collection done by a former member here. I go through several different ways of determining playlists. On page 6 of the post I even use Now You See Me as an example with AnyDVD HD. http://techmattr.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/a-guide-to-ripping-and-re-muxing-blu-ray-discs/6/

Thanks Techmattr

For some reason I had in my head that AnyDVDHD was no good for ripping BD (just ripping DVD or making images of BD's). I must admit that was an opinion I formed a few years ago when I first bought it, and I've just used it to make ISO images ever since. Will give it a go this evening.

Thanks again!
post #4305 of 5693
@mark_anderson_u

As a matter of fact, I just ripped Now You See Me earlier this week. AnyDVD HD told me the correct playlist and I selected it in Clown_BD. Then off I went to rip a movie only copy with HD audio and the English subtitle track.

If you already own AnyDVD HD, then I would not pay for DVDFab unless you plan on encoding your rips (compress). But then, I hear Handbrake is good for encoding too.
Edited by mifronte - 11/13/13 at 2:54pm
post #4306 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Thanks Techmattr

For some reason I had in my head that AnyDVDHD was no good for ripping BD (just ripping DVD or making images of BD's). I must admit that was an opinion I formed a few years ago when I first bought it, and I've just used it to make ISO images ever since. Will give it a go this evening.

Thanks again!

I've been using AnyDVDHD>ClownBD>mkvmerge for a couple of years now and always works just fine. No issues with any movies other than the usual complication of identifying the proper playlist on some movies.

This workflow gives me good control over the final MKV file and subs. I do not re-encode.

And the price is right - life time license for AnyDVDHD and the others are free.

Louis
post #4307 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

@mark_anderson_u

As a matter of fact, I just ripped Now You See Me earlier this week. AnyDVD HD told me the correct playlist and I selected it in Clown_BD. Then off I went to rip a movie only copy with HD audio and the English subtitle track.

If you already own AnyDVD HD, then I would not pay for DVDFab unless you plan on encoding your rips (compress). But then, I hear Handbrake is good for encoding too.

Thanks. Not plans to encode. Will give it a shot with now You See Me
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I'm a little confused by Clown_BD; there's so many versions for download. Which one is good for just muxing?
post #4309 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

I'm a little confused by Clown_BD; there's so many versions for download. Which one is good for just muxing?

eac3to is pretty much the standard for demuxing. For muxing the file back together most people use mkvmerge or tsmuxer. Clown_BD uses eac3to to demux and tsmuxer to put it all back together.
post #4310 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Megalith View Post

I'm a little confused by Clown_BD; there's so many versions for download. Which one is good for just muxing?

If you have not individually downloaded eac3to and tsMuxeR on your own, then go for the "ClownBD, eac3to, tsMuxeR" package. However, if you want to ensure that you have the most recent eac3to and tsMuxeR, then I would download each component from the respective source:
  1. Downloand Clown_BD v0.81 .
  2. Download eac3to v3.27 .
  3. Download tsMuxeR v2.1.8 beta or v1.10.6 stable

Just configure Clown_BD with the location of where you installed eac3to and tsMuxeR.

Edit:
eac3To is used to demux and convert audio formats. tsMuxeR is used to remux the individual streams back to BDMV folder structure.

Tip: tsMuxer also comes with a stand alone GUI application that can be used for merging/joining multi-parts BD movies like LOTR and Cleopatra. I also use the tsMuxeR GUI application to merge/join my small home video clips into one big clip.
Edited by mifronte - 11/13/13 at 7:31pm
post #4311 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

I tried MKV and it seemed you might be able to specify my criteria with a profile, but the whole profile editing seems hit or miss and undocumented.
This is nonsense if you're actually talking about MakeMKV. The conversion profiles are explained in the Advanced MakeMKV usage forum with enough examples to set up your own. I use it all the time, and it only rips those streams I want in the order I prefer. No need for any remuxing, I occasionally have to flag a stream with MKVToolnix's header editor but that's it.
post #4312 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I think you missed the part where I said that eac3to cannot see/list/extract the PGS. No one has been able to extract them. They are in some sort of Twilight Zone.
That is odd! I'm going to have to get myself a copy now 😊

Edit* Nevermind, I just saw the post on how the sub is most likely hidden in a jar file. Someone forgot to have their coffee that morning.
Edited by DotJun - 11/16/13 at 5:22pm
post #4313 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

Clown_BD is just a GUI front for eac3to and tsMuxeR. I prefer Clown_BD over MakeMKV and DVDFab because I have greater control in what to rip and how to remux. I normally start with Clown_BD and then if there is a need to tweak, I use eac3to and tsmuxer at the command line. The good thing with Clown_BD is that it creates plenty of log files along with the commands that it runs so you can always see what is going on.

MakeMKV and DVDFab does not offer me the same tweaking control to produce movie only rips with just one non-SDH English subtitle track and a forced subtitle track, if any, that is automatically selected. Because I prefer only a non-SDH (sound for the death and hearing impaired) over the SDH subtitle, I usually demux all English subtitle tracks for inspection and then remux with only the desired track. This way, there is only one subtitle track to choose during playback and at the most two if there are forced subtitles. If there are forced subtitles, I have it defaulted to be selected automatically.

In the case of some troublesome Dolby TrueHD tracks that cause drop out on my AVR, I can use eac3to to convert the Dolby TrueHD to LPCM and then remux with tsMuxeR.

So if you are looking for flexibility, then start with Clown_BD which uses eac3to and tsMuxeR. I avoid mkv for my BDs because there is always some quirks that mkv causes on my HT equipment. I keep everything in the BDMV folder structure and never had any compatibility problems with my equipment.
For those troublesome thd files, have you tried ripping them straight from the m2ts file using eac? I'm very curious to why some people are having this issue as I have never run across it.
post #4314 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

Based on what you are saying where the subtitle tracks are listed on the playlist, but not the m2ts, it tells me the subtitle is probably loaded programatically via the BD-J (Java) code. If I had to guess, the subtitles are probably residing in the jar file. In any case, this would not be considered a new way to handle subtitles, but can be considered a major disc authoring FUBAR.

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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

That is odd! I'm going to have to get myself a copy now 😊

I think mifronte is right about this as it was suggested by another person that was trying to demux the subs.
post #4315 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post


I think mifronte is right about this as it was suggested by another person that was trying to demux the subs.
Mystery solved then? Now I can sleep at night again! biggrin.gif
post #4316 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

Mystery solved then? Now I can sleep at night again! biggrin.gif

Mystery solved (maybe) but how the heck do we set them free.
post #4317 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

For those troublesome thd files, have you tried ripping them straight from the m2ts file using eac? I'm very curious to why some people are having this issue as I have never run across it.

Using Clown_BD, everything is demuxed using eac3to. As to why some THD files cause problems may have something to do with the seamless branching and overlapping audio segments between branches? Some decoding firmware may not be able to handle the overlapping audio segments gracefully and just drop the repeating segments, hence the drop outs? This is just a guess.

When converting the THD to LPCM, eac3to is able to correct the overlapping audio and hence no drop outs when played back on troublesome firmware. This may also explains why when users switch to LPCM on their BD players (player is decoding and not AVR), there are no drop outs. The firmware in BD players is more likely to be more up-to-date than the firmware in receivers.
post #4318 of 5693
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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

Using Clown_BD, everything is demuxed using eac3to. As to why some THD files cause problems may have something to do with the seamless branching and overlapping audio segments between branches? Some decoding firmware may not be able to handle the overlapping audio segments gracefully and just drop the repeating segments, hence the drop outs? This is just a guess.

When converting the THD to LPCM, eac3to is able to correct the overlapping audio and hence no drop outs when played back on troublesome firmware. This may also explains why when users switch to LPCM on their BD players (player is decoding and not AVR), there are no drop outs. The firmware in BD players is more likely to be more up-to-date than the firmware in receivers.
I don't use eac3to to rip straight from disc. I use anydvd to decrypt then use tsmuxer to rip the movie off the bluray onto my hdd as an m2ts. I then rip out the thd using eac. Doing it this way has never produced any kind of corrupted audio file, seamless branching or not.

Edit* I would never rip dts/thd to PCM. If anything you might as well go flac as nothing will be gained but file size when going to PCM.
post #4319 of 5693
How does one go about getting all the forced subs onto a M2ts rip of the Lord of the Rings Fellowship extended edition? The "movies with forced subtitles" link shows the following information for that title:



Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring, The (Extended) Hardcoded US 5 Hardcoded on some, forced on some, separate track on CEE Ext BluRays
post #4320 of 5693
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

How does one go about getting all the forced subs onto a M2ts rip of the Lord of the Rings Fellowship extended edition? The "movies with forced subtitles" link shows the following information for that title:



Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring, The (Extended) Hardcoded US 5 Hardcoded on some, forced on some, separate track on CEE Ext BluRays

IIRC for my copy (The Extended US version), the forced subs are hardcoded so they are already part of the video
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