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post #4381 of 5714
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Originally Posted by mrkeeling View Post

Anybody had issues with RED 2?
My workflow is simple: Rip the whole disc in folder structure, run BDInfo to determine the right playlist, load the playlist in TSMuxer and remux only with the streams I want.
After indentifying the right playlist (out of ridiculous number of playlist with the correct runtime) . . .
This one was the worst I've seen. Aside from a new copy protection scheme that required a new version of DVD Fab (9.1.1.1), it showed 163 playlists in Clown_BD. I went back and just let DVD Fab pick the main title and do a title rip.
post #4382 of 5714
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Originally Posted by mrkeeling View Post

Anybody had issues with RED 2?
My workflow is simple: Rip the whole disc in folder structure, run BDInfo to determine the right playlist, load the playlist in TSMuxer and remux only with the streams I want.
After indentifying the right playlist (out of ridiculous number of playlist with the correct runtime) BDInfo reported (correctly) that there is lossless audio track present. But, when I loaded the same playlist to TSMuxer, it didn’t show any lossless audio. This never happened to me before.
I found a workaround, by manually loading individual streams to be joined by TSMuxer. Seems to be working fine, but I am just curious if anybody else had the same problem?
http://www.myce.com/news/new-copy-protection-appears-on-red-2-blu-ray-69721/
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98 View Post

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post #4385 of 5714
DVDFab V9 updates both .1 and now .2 can read Red 2 but MKV output is choppy. I did full iso to hard drive, which V9 did just fine, and then used DVDFab V8 to make an mkv of just the main movie and HD Audio. Played back via my PIVOS AIOS just fine.

V9 has had mkv issues for several beta and "release" versions, why DVDFab calls anything a "release" version is beyond me, but you can make a solid mkv once Red 2 is an iso using V8.

I am learning about some of the other options once the disk copy protection is eliminated. Even MakeMKV is being reported as having issues with Red 2.

In other words AnyDVD or DVDFab, in terms of main software choices, are still in the mix to bypass the copy protection when making an archive from which we can make whatever final file format we choose.

If MakeMKV is updated so as to handle Red 2 then of course it would be an option. I don't know at the moment if it is or not.

For me across my home theater playback devices mkv is the common readable file format so that is the format I use.

Going to learn TSMuxer this evening with the branched Part 2 of Harry Potter Deathly Hallows.

Oh the learning curves we tackle for our hobby.....

I've been a DVDFab guy since at least V5. Recommended it a lot. Can no longer do so in good faith. V9 can't seem to be consistently stable with main functions such as making mkv's. And now they are introducing a video media device?

Given how firmware/software separates good from bad media players and how V9 of DVDFab software is a mess one can only imagine what end users of the VideO.Me media player experiences will be....
Edited by jsmiddleton4 - 12/4/13 at 5:46pm
post #4386 of 5714
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

Clown makes a *.BAT file which you edit with Notepad. You can see each step. Add one line `pause` after the Modify_Meta step.

When you run the batch file, it will open a DOS box, and when it reaches the pause it will stop until you press a key in that window. At that time you can edit the meta file (in the demux directory) using Notepad and add/remove any subtitle tracks as you desire. The meta file will be used in the remux step after you resume the batch file.

Do you mind explaining a little more here? I have attached an image of the steps I have taken, but at the point where the pause happens, Clown has not yet put any subs, forced or otherwise, in the Demux directory, so how would I know whether any were found or not?

post #4387 of 5714
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Do you mind explaining a little more here? I have attached an image of the steps I have taken, but at the point where the pause happens, Clown has not yet put any subs, forced or otherwise, in the Demux directory, so how would I know whether any were found or not?


That looks correct to me. You should at least have Subtitles_4_English.sup there.

What files do you find in the demux directory?
post #4388 of 5714
The logs folder, a file "Chapters_1", and "Demux" meta file.
post #4389 of 5714
TSMuxerR was a breeze. Handled the multi branched Deathly Hallows very nicely.

Still used DVDFab to archive the bluray to my hard drive. If I understand correctly could have used AnyDVD HD for same kind of step.

Originally I let DVDFab select the correct mpls to use and just made "Main Movie" copy. However it picked the wrong mpls and I had to do it again. I went ahead and did the full disk as well as the right "Main Movie" so I could check each step with a full archived bluray.

I used BDInfo to see the structure and which mpls I wanted to point TSMuxerR too. But I could also do so with MakeMKV, didn't use it at this juncture other than looked at the files, as well as DVDFab. In other words BDInfo not required.

Once loaded the film's mpls file into TSMuxerR the rest was a piece of cake. Cleaned up all the little branches and very nicely made on big m2ts file.

I used MKVMerge to compress or wrap the m2ts into a MKV.

Playback is great. File size is acceptable.

Final MKV, just movie and HD Audio, 20,244,288 kb. Yes could be smaller with a little more work or using the AC3/5.1 audio instead of HD audio. I understand.

The file size is small enough for now and the playback is spot on.

I continue to ask myself, "If I can do this, little old non-programmer me, can figure this out why can't the developers of DVDFab?"

Some of us have paid licensing fees, etc., and would like our money's worth. That however seems to be a flawed expectation and with the other tools that are available once the bluray is archived I'll only be sending the bare minimum to DVDFab or maybe switching to ANYDVD, etc., I can assure you.

And I've just scratched the surface of TSMuxerR. All I did was figure out how to output an m2ts larger file so as to move to an mkv and test it. TSMuxerR obviously does way more than that simple process.
post #4390 of 5714
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

TSMuxerR was a breeze. Handled the multi branched Deathly Hallows very nicely.
I started out with TSMuxer in a similar fashion. I would rip the main title to HDD with DVD Fab and use TSMuxer to join seamless branching titles into a single .m2ts for my media players. Where I ran into trouble with TSMuxer was with seamless branching titles that were partitioned into an excessive number of branches (say 20 or more). In those cases, TSMuxer did not do a good job and introduced a small audio offset at each segment boundary. That offset was cumulative. I remember Prince of Persia as one of those titles. As we watched the movie the offset increased and it was almost comical that by the end of the movie the lag between their lips and their voices was more than a second -- it looked like a badly dubbed chinese martial arts film.

I posted about it and others noted it was not an unknown problem and recommended I switch to Clown_BD. Clown uses eac3to to do the demuxing and joining of segments and TSMuxer to remux the streams back into an .m2ts container. I redid PoP with Clown and it came out perfect without audio lag. I've used Clown_BD ever since.
post #4391 of 5714
Is there a more efficient way to rip TV series? For instance, to rip my Modern Family season 1 Blu Ray to individual episode m2ts files, I have to start ClownBD, select a playlist (each episode is one of the playlists), have it go through all of the stuff to get to a final demuxed file for that one episode, and then start over, picking a new playlist, etc. Is there a way to have it rip all of the playlists at once to separate m2ts files?
post #4392 of 5714
Clown BD

Thanks kelson. Will have to check it. I have Prince of Persia. The one for me that has been the most symptomatic of this branching thing was/is Battleship. Man that movie is branched all over the place.

I don't want be installing endless packages of codecs either. Got in a mess doing that before.

ClownBD installs eacto... or do I need to d/l it separately.
post #4393 of 5714
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Is there a more efficient way to rip TV series? For instance, to rip my Modern Family season 1 Blu Ray to individual episode m2ts files, I have to start ClownBD, select a playlist (each episode is one of the playlists), have it go through all of the stuff to get to a final demuxed file for that one episode, and then start over, picking a new playlist, etc. Is there a way to have it rip all of the playlists at once to separate m2ts files?
Use the batch mode of Clown_BD. You can set it up in a couple minutes an let it "rip" unattended.
post #4394 of 5714
Do you know if there is a tutorial for that somewhere? I was toying with it for a different reason (forced subtitles only) a few posts up, but not for unattended multiple playlist ripping.
post #4395 of 5714
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

The one for me that has been the most symptomatic of this branching thing was/is Battleship. Man that movie is branched all over the place.
For what it's worth, I did Battleship with Clown_BD and it was perfect.
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

ClownBD installs eacto... or do I need to d/l it separately.
Clown installs everything it need in its master folder -- including a copy of TSMuxer.
post #4396 of 5714
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Do you know if there is a tutorial for that somewhere? I was toying with it for a different reason (forced subtitles only) a few posts up, but not for unattended multiple playlist ripping.
It's pretty simple. On the last screen just click the "batch" box before you click go. It will set up a batch file on screen and recycle the program back to the first screen for you to do it all over again. On the first screen I typically assign discrete demux folders for each cycle -- I just call them demux1, demux2 . . . etc. You can send the .m2ts files to the same folder just give them a different name for each cycle so they don't overwrite one another. After you have batched your last title and it cycles back to the first screen, click Exit and a window will pop up asking if you want to start the batch file -- click yes and you are off.

If you have two HDD's in your PC it is much much faster if you set it up so Clown reads from one and writes to the other. i.e. If the source is on C: and you have a D: drive, set the demux folders up on D: and send the .m2ts files back to C:. That way it will demux from C: --> D: and remux from D: --> C:.
post #4397 of 5714
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

Is there a more efficient way to rip TV series? For instance, to rip my Modern Family season 1 Blu Ray to individual episode m2ts files, I have to start ClownBD, select a playlist (each episode is one of the playlists), have it go through all of the stuff to get to a final demuxed file for that one episode, and then start over, picking a new playlist, etc. Is there a way to have it rip all of the playlists at once to separate m2ts files?

MakeMKV problem solved.
post #4398 of 5714
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

It's pretty simple. On the last screen just click the "batch" box before you click go. It will set up a batch file on screen and recycle the program back to the first screen for you to do it all over again. On the first screen I typically assign discrete demux folders for each cycle -- I just call them demux1, demux2 . . . etc. You can send the .m2ts files to the same folder just give them a different name for each cycle so they don't overwrite one another. After you have batched your last title and it cycles back to the first screen, click Exit and a window will pop up asking if you want to start the batch file -- click yes and you are off.

If you have two HDD's in your PC it is much much faster if you set it up so Clown reads from one and writes to the other. i.e. If the source is on C: and you have a D: drive, set the demux folders up on D: and send the .m2ts files back to C:. That way it will demux from C: --> D: and remux from D: --> C:.

Perfect, thanks! The "exit" part at the end is what was confusing me. I didnt realize that I needed to tell the program to close in order to run the next step! smile.gif That part isn't very intuitive. I had actually just stumbled on that while you were typing that answer. I will go back and figure out where to set multiple demux folders.
post #4399 of 5714
Just d/l it. It is using old version of TSMuxerR.

So it still uses TSMuxerR but before it gets to that point eac3... does something to the files?

I'm going to have to do some searching and looking for step by step.

We still need to have some kind of software that deals with the copy protection yes?

So if you use AnyDVD HD you just point BD Clown to the drive?
post #4400 of 5714
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Just d/l it. It is using old version of TSMuxerR.

So it still uses TSMuxerR but before it gets to that point eac3... does something to the files?

I'm going to have to do some searching and looking for step by step.

We still need to have some kind of software that deals with the copy protection yes?

So if you use AnyDVD HD you just point BD Clown to the drive?

Yes, just have AnyDVD running in the background and teh protection is automatically removed
post #4401 of 5714
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

It's pretty simple. On the last screen just click the "batch" box before you click go. It will set up a batch file on screen and recycle the program back to the first screen for you to do it all over again. On the first screen I typically assign discrete demux folders for each cycle -- I just call them demux1, demux2 . . . etc. You can send the .m2ts files to the same folder just give them a different name for each cycle so they don't overwrite one another. After you have batched your last title and it cycles back to the first screen, click Exit and a window will pop up asking if you want to start the batch file -- click yes and you are off.

If you have two HDD's in your PC it is much much faster if you set it up so Clown reads from one and writes to the other. i.e. If the source is on C: and you have a D: drive, set the demux folders up on D: and send the .m2ts files back to C:. That way it will demux from C: --> D: and remux from D: --> C:.

Well I thought I had it... I selected Demux and remux for the first pass, let it read the disk, picked a playlist, checked batch and clicked next. Back on the first screen again, I selected demux2 and remux2 for my directories, let it read the disk, selected another playlist, clicked next, had batch selected, and then clicked next again. When it came back up I just clicked exit and said yes to starting the batch process . It worked, but it only put anything in the first demux and remux folders, it didnt go through a second process. Not sure where I went wrong. I dont have to edit anything in the batch file, do I?

EDIT: I am going back and doing it again now to make sure I clicked next at the end of the second playlist selection process and letting it come back to the first page instead of clicking exit at that point.

Double Edit: yep that must have been what I did. Its making two different Demuxed files now that I have done the process again. Thanks for the help!!
Edited by hifiaudio2 - 12/5/13 at 10:09am
post #4402 of 5714
"Yes, just have AnyDVD"

Until license expires for DVDFab will be using it. By end of next year most likely will be an AnyDVD HD user.
post #4403 of 5714
Playing back Deathly Hallows now. Did not make an mvk but am playing back the BDClown/eac3/tsmuxer made m2ts.

Playing fine. No better/worse than just using the TSMuxerR process I used yesterday. Not complaining, just observing.

Maybe with blurays that are more severally chopped up with the endless branch I'd see a difference. Have to try Battleship.

As it is what the BDClown process looks like is:

Archive the disk to hard drive with DVDFab OR leave the disk in the bluray drive and use AnyDVD.

Once you have access to the information for the bluray that despite there being several choices, although not that many, the steps are quite similar.

For the pieces, each branch, either pull the video and the audio apart OR leave the pieces-video+audio in tact.

Reassemble the pieces into one file and if necessary, if used the eac3to program, join the audio back into the video.

When using just the TSMuxerR process the pieces are video+audio. When those pieces are reassembled TSMuxerR has to keep the indexing correct for video+audio pieces hence some of the overlapping frames being removed, to reach the goal of smooth playback.

When using the BDClown process, eac3to and tsmuxerR, the pieces are separated into video pieces and audio pieces. The video gets reassembled and the audio gets reassembled. Then the two now intact files, video and audio, get merged or re-attached in the final output, the complete m2ts file. The indexing need is different but for those blurays that require a lot of "keeping track of the pieces" the end result is smoother playback because of how the pieces are kept track of and made into one big file.

Is that about right?
post #4404 of 5714
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

The logs folder, a file "Chapters_1", and "Demux" meta file.

Sounds like something went wrong with the demux. Look through the logs and see if you can find any error messages. There should be video, audio, and subs files.
post #4405 of 5714
Using 2 drives definitely faster.


BDClown says byebye...

Hilarious.
post #4406 of 5714
TV Shows with endless episodes are royal PIA.
post #4407 of 5714
Got the batch process working pretty well, but it randomly will tell me that it cannot create a file and fail. Any idea why that happens? The folder its trying to write to exists and it has logs that are placed in it along with a Demux meta file, but I get the fail noise and it moves on to the next playlist. So it may process 2 or three playlists just fine into a new MT2S file, and then randomly fail on one of them, and then keep going for another few.

here is an excerpt from the log...

[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[v02] Creating file "F:\Demux3\Video_2.h264"...
[v02] Creating file "F:\Demux3\Video_2.h264"...
[v02] The destination file "F:\Demux3\Video_2.h264" could not be created.
[v02] Writing the destination file failed.
Aborted at file position 3145728.
post #4408 of 5714
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

TV Shows with endless episodes are royal PIA.

Which calls for a few IPA!
post #4409 of 5714
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[v02] Creating file "F:\Demux3\Video_2.h264"...
[v02] Creating file "F:\Demux3\Video_2.h264"...
[v02] The destination file "F:\Demux3\Video_2.h264" could not be created.
[v02] Writing the destination file failed.
Aborted at file position 3145728.

No clue. Maybe the disk is full?
post #4410 of 5714
Nope.. plenty of space. I just go back and tell it the same disk / same folder and just do the playlists that it misses. Maybe a disk error. Its writing to a usb 3.0 connected drive in an 8 bay tower so who knows what kind of i/o issues could be there. That must be it.
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