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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Except at this point MakeMKV made MKV's have playback issues
Like what? I thought you said it was DVDFab was giving you a hard time. I've been reading a lot of comments from people using MakeMKV whose rips just play fine on their BD standalones. So maybe your Panasonic is not best suited to the task of playing media from USB? So far I've seen no media player struggle with MakeMKV's output.
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

"I'm big, your small, I'm smart, your dumb, I'm right and your wrong" syndrome?
Relax, you're reading way too much into this.
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Fastest is probably learning how to use the command line options for eac3to however on a decrypted video source.
That's what I'm talking about. If the BD is already decrypted, why would you use eac3to rather than MKVMerge (that also opens .mpls)? Because you need LPCM for one of your devices?
post #4532 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

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Now with the latest update the Live-SMP supports DTS-HD pass-through and chapter skip in MKV's.

Wow, now you have perked my ears up. I will have to read up on the WD Live-SMP to see what it can and can't do. I am starting my recent purchase of the Roku 3. Is the WD Live-SMP different than the WD Live?
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Originally Posted by mifronte View Post

Wow, now you have perked my ears up. I will have to read up on the WD Live-SMP to see what it can and can't do. I am starting my recent purchase of the Roku 3. Is the WD Live-SMP different than the WD Live?
The Live-SMP is the current version, see here. It has a lot of Internet streaming options but I don't use any of them. Look at it's specs and compare to Roku to see if it has all the sites you want.
post #4534 of 5693
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Thanks for checking. Will take a look at your blog.

Edit: Don't see much help or step by step on your blog. I'll keep looking. Lot of information and thanks for getting all that information posted. Just don't see the dot to dot for getting LPCM Multichannel into an MKV.

I don't have a problem getting the pieces. For me when I use MKVMerge the lpcm multichannel track is not listed to add.

I know I'm a couple days late on a response and you may have everything sorted by now but I'm curious... are you already familiar with using eac3to? I'm not sure what you meant when you say "I don't have a problem getting the pieces."

As for the step by step did you read just the page I linked or did you start from the beginning? Rather than go step by step through each different possible scenario I did a basic step by step at the beginning and then just gave examples through the rest of the post of what would make each scenario different. So it might be a little confusing if you just read a page in the middle.
post #4535 of 5693
techm...

Thanks but with kilroy's help was able to figure eac3to out enough to be able to make an mkv which included the LPCM tracks. Worked for some of my playback devices but not across the board.

Even at that I barely scratched eac3to's surface.

I do agree that IF I was going use something like AnyDVD to be able to access the bluray's without needing to rip them to my hard drive, the way DVDFab requires, learning the command lines and using eac3to makes the most sense.

For now I'm sticking with what I've paid for so process is DVDFab related.
post #4536 of 5693
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

tesla...

By the way since you are using DVDFab to archive to your hard drive and have un-copy protected source file eac3to is faster and not that hard to use instead of MakeMKV.

If I can figure it out anyone can.

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For the record ... I use DVDFab-BluRay-Copy, not the Ripper (that creates the output files like MKV). My copy just copies the decrypted BD folder/files to HDD. Then, I run MakeMKV against it to create the MKV. They all work fine on my Win7-64/XBMC and WDTV-SMP.

 

I might checkout eac3to if files (current work-flow) stop working.

 

Anyway, you might want to try it this way... use DVDFab only for copying.


Edited by Tesla1856 - 12/11/13 at 1:22pm
post #4537 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

For the record ... I use DVDFab-BluRay-Copy, not the Ripper (that creates the output files like MKV). My copy just copies the decrypted BD folder/files to HDD. Then, I run MakeMKV against it to create the MKV. They all work fine on my Win7-64/XBMC and WDTV-SMP.

I might checkout eac3to if files (current work-flow) stop working.

Anyway, you might want to try it this way... use DVDFab only for copying.

I do this as well. DVDFab is great for selecting the correct streams and then just point MakeMKV to the index.bdmv file afterward. Easy and works very well up to this point.
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Just wondering if anyone knows of any tv series blu rays episodes with forced subtitles. (english tv episode where at some point some speaks something other than english)
post #4539 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Yes, haali needs to be installed for eac3to.

http://haali.su/mkv/
does it really? What is haali used for? I don't have it installed.
post #4540 of 5693
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Have Terminator ripped, just the English audio, ac3 and lpcm. I do not need/use subtitles.

Have it in its own subdirectory under eac3to.

Since it is ripped with just the "Main Movie" the mpls is numbered 0000...

What is my next step?


If you ripped only the tracks you want to keep and just want to make it mkv via eac then your command would be

Eac3to NameOfm2tsFile.m2ts movie.mkv
post #4541 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

does it really? What is haali used for? I don't have it installed.

It's a splitter but not 100% sure what parts of it are needed for which functions. I believe a straight demux does not need it. Any form of conversion will probably need it.

Are you sure you don't have it installed? Run -test on eac3to to check. Some programs used to install it as default so you may have and not even know it.
post #4542 of 5693
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Originally Posted by bluewhale1 View Post

Just wondering if anyone knows of any tv series blu rays episodes with forced subtitles. (english tv episode where at some point some speaks something other than english)

Breaking Bad - S03E01 - No Mas

Actually an easier one is S02E07 since it calls them right at the beginning while the band is singing.

Bill
Edited by mrfattbill - 12/12/13 at 7:03am
post #4543 of 5693
Breaking Bad has several episodes in Season 3 I believe, that have forced subs.
post #4544 of 5693
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Originally Posted by bluewhale1 View Post

Just wondering if anyone knows of any tv series blu rays episodes with forced subtitles. (english tv episode where at some point some speaks something other than english)
Game of thrones, true blood, soul eater. Need more?
post #4545 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

It's a splitter but not 100% sure what parts of it are needed for which functions. I believe a straight demux does not need it. Any form of conversion will probably need it.

Are you sure you don't have it installed? Run -test on eac3to to check. Some programs used to install it as default so you may have and not even know it.
I'm sure I don't use haali as I use LAV. I use eac for conversions also, PCM to flac, without the need for haali. Look what you did, now I won't be able to sleep 😊
post #4546 of 5693
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

I'm sure I don't use haali as I use LAV. I use eac for conversions also, PCM to flac, without the need for haali. Look what you did, now I won't be able to sleep 😊

Like I said, run eac3to -test to see if haali got installed by another app without you even knowing it. If it shows that its not installed and it still works then there has to be some functions that haali is not needed.
post #4547 of 5693
Thanks for the tips. I have a couple of blurays I need to tackle. They have DolbyTrueHD and the Dolby Core combined. The stand alone AC3 audio are directory commentaries, etc.

I need to separate the Dolby and the DolbyTrueHD then reassemble. The BDT500 needs to see the regular Dolby audio separately. I want to attempt to keep the HD Audio so my other playback devices can utilize it.

Simple way would of course be just rip to AC3 and be done with it. But where is the challenge and growth in that?

Transformers is one such bluray. Enchanted, I think, is another. I don't have it sitting here so could be wrong.

I tried TSMuxer and created one set of files with the DolbyTrueHD. Then reran TSMuxer and told it to convert to AC3. Doing so created two audio tracks. Then I took those two audio files and recombined the three files, video, DolbyTrueHD and AC3 into an mkv with MKVMerge. Sorta worked but playback when selecting the HD Audio via my AIOS stuttered. Playback selecting AC3 did not. The BDT500 played it.

If I make the mkv with DVDFab V8 and include the DolbyTrueHD that mkv plays back perfectly on the AIOS but the BDT500 while playing the video "sees" no audio track.
post #4548 of 5693
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Thanks for the tips. I have a couple of blurays I need to tackle. They have DolbyTrueHD and the Dolby Core combined. The stand alone AC3 audio are directory commentaries, etc.

I need to separate the Dolby and the DolbyTrueHD then reassemble. The BDT500 needs to see the regular Dolby audio separately. I want to attempt to keep the HD Audio so my other playback devices can utilize it.

Simple way would of course be just rip to AC3 and be done with it. But where is the challenge and growth in that?

Transformers is one such bluray. Enchanted, I think, is another. I don't have it sitting here so could be wrong.

I tried TSMuxer and created one set of files with the DolbyTrueHD. Then reran TSMuxer and told it to convert to AC3. Doing so created two audio tracks. Then I took those two audio files and recombined the three files, video, DolbyTrueHD and AC3 into an mkv with MKVMerge. Sorta worked but playback when selecting the HD Audio via my AIOS stuttered. Playback selecting AC3 did not. The BDT500 played it.

If I make the mkv with DVDFab V8 and include the DolbyTrueHD that mkv plays back perfectly on the AIOS but the BDT500 while playing the video "sees" no audio track.

I have to ask and sorry if it's been answered but at this point and with the wonderful firmware addition of DTS-MA why not just buy a Live SMP (or some other streamer) to compliment the BDT500 and save this headache?

Bill
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Just trying to maximize equipment on hand.
post #4550 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Like I said, run eac3to -test to see if haali got installed by another app without you even knowing it. If it shows that its not installed and it still works then there has to be some functions that haali is not needed.
I didn't need to run it as I know what goes into my system but I concede that it could have snuck in sometime 😊 after running -test I have verified that nothing in that list is installed other than Nero.
post #4551 of 5693
I wonder what functions are the ones that Haali is mandatory for. I remux and convert to FLAC only so maybe that's one of the required operations.
post #4552 of 5693
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Thanks for the tips. I have a couple of blurays I need to tackle. They have DolbyTrueHD and the Dolby Core combined. The stand alone AC3 audio are directory commentaries, etc.

I need to separate the Dolby and the DolbyTrueHD then reassemble. The BDT500 needs to see the regular Dolby audio separately. I want to attempt to keep the HD Audio so my other playback devices can utilize it.

Simple way would of course be just rip to AC3 and be done with it. But where is the challenge and growth in that?

Transformers is one such bluray. Enchanted, I think, is another. I don't have it sitting here so could be wrong.

I tried TSMuxer and created one set of files with the DolbyTrueHD. Then reran TSMuxer and told it to convert to AC3. Doing so created two audio tracks. Then I took those two audio files and recombined the three files, video, DolbyTrueHD and AC3 into an mkv with MKVMerge. Sorta worked but playback when selecting the HD Audio via my AIOS stuttered. Playback selecting AC3 did not. The BDT500 played it.

If I make the mkv with DVDFab V8 and include the DolbyTrueHD that mkv plays back perfectly on the AIOS but the BDT500 while playing the video "sees" no audio track.
Let me see if I can simplify it for you.

1. Download HdBrStreamExtractor
2. Extract it into your eac3to folder
3. Run HdBrStreamExtractor and click on the "select input" button
4. Choose your m2ts file and click on the text labeled "features"
5. Under the "streams" section put a check mark under the "extract" column for the thd file you want to rip
6. Under the "extract as" column, on the same row as the thd file you checked, click on the drop down box and select "thd+ac3"
7. Click on the "extract button"

Hope this makes things less frustrating for you.
post #4553 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I wonder what functions are the ones that Haali is mandatory for. I remux and convert to FLAC only so maybe that's one of the required operations.
I'm interested to know as well. If you ever find the answer shoot me a pm 😊
post #4554 of 5693
Thanks Dot... working on it now.

Do I want thd+AC3? Doesn't that keep the two together? I need to separate them.

Is there a +option to split them apart and make separate audio tracks?

Or am I looking at doing the process twice? Which is fine. But do it once with thd and the second time with ac3 and then when reassemble select both audio tracks, make sure the AC3 is set to default?

Similar to what I did with txmuxer?

The BDT500 chokes when it sees the TrueHD in any way. I know, I know, but that is the hardware I'm working with.
Edited by jsmiddleton4 - 12/12/13 at 5:56pm
post #4555 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I wonder what functions are the ones that Haali is mandatory for. I remux and convert to FLAC only so maybe that's one of the required operations.
It looks like Haali is a video (de)muxer. eac3to is primarily an audio tool that does some muxing
Haali -- here and here
eac3to -- here -- note at the bottom of the feature description is states you need Haali for video muxing.
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I wonder what functions are the ones that Haali is mandatory for. I remux and convert to FLAC only so maybe that's one of the required operations.
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

It looks like Haali is a video (de)muxer. eac3to is primarily an audio tool that does some muxing
Haali -- here and here
eac3to -- here -- note at the bottom of the feature description is states you need Haali for video muxing.

No. Haali Matroska Muxer is the only Haali tool that is used by eac3to and is ONLY needed if you're using eac3to to mux. Most people don't use eac3to for muxing. Only de-muxing. The first part of your statement is incorrect but the note you mention at the end is correct. It's only needed for video muxing. eac3to will demux any BD with standard codecs without any additional tools.

Here is a screenshot of the entire demuxing process. This includes converting lpcm to a mkvmerge/tsmuxer compatible wav file that will play back on any player.
The only thing left to do is double check the subs and mux with mkvmerge. It's the most simple and straight forward 3 step process possible.



Also: If you're running this demux straight from disc then you'll see the disc activity stop and it'll seem like it's frozen... at this point it's converting the audio so let it finish. I can't remember if it's done in chunks or rips the entire track though.
Edited by techmattr - 12/12/13 at 7:44pm
post #4557 of 5693
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Originally Posted by techmattr View Post

No. Haali Matroska Muxer is the only Haali tool that is used by eac3to and is ONLY needed if you're using eac3to to mux. Most people don't use eac3to for muxing. Only de-muxing. The first part of your statement is incorrect but the note you mention at the end is correct. It's only needed for video muxing. eac3to will demux any BD with standard codecs without any additional tools.
Thanks for clearing that up.
post #4558 of 5693
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Thanks for clearing that up.

No problem. eac3to is solid for demuxing. People get mixed results with muxing though. For video BD anyway.

I should clarify as well... I think MakeMKV is the most simple and straightforward for BD with DTS-HD and no subtitles. Anything else either requires editing headers afterwards or mucking around with the MakeMKV profiles which don't make much sense to most people. LPCM, TrueHD, TrueHD+AC3 or anything where I want to keep or inspect subtitles it's just easier to use eac3to.


Here is a complete demux, subtitle inspection and remux in one screenshot.

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post #4559 of 5693
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Originally Posted by techmattr View Post

I think MakeMKV is the most simple and straightforward for BD with DTS-HD and no subtitles. Anything else either requires editing headers afterwards or mucking around with the MakeMKV profiles which don't make much sense to most people.
Not necessarily. With regular subtitles you don't need to change MakeMKV's default settings and when flagged properly during authoring, you even don't have to with forced subs.
post #4560 of 5693
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Originally Posted by techmattr View Post

... I think MakeMKV is the most simple and straightforward for BD with DTS-HD and no subtitles. Anything else either requires editing headers afterwards or mucking around with the MakeMKV profiles which don't make much sense to most people.

I have to say I thought the makemkv profiles were pretty straightforward, esp. in comparison to some of the device profiles for things like serviio. And it is nice to set up a profile then just pop a disk in and rip without having to do anything besides select the track.
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