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post #211 of 297
4/16/12 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by thill68 View Post

If you don't want to see it again, dont. Nobody is forcing you to

You seem to have responded to my post in a manner that suggests you may not have understood the point I was making!

My post was a direct response to timtationx post. The point being that JC's movies are only at the top, box office wise because people like them, myself included!
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post #212 of 297
4/17/12 at 5:13am
Well, like JC or not, like Titanic or not, feel redoing an old film in 3D is good or not, one cannot deny it has made over $200,000,000 in less than 3 weeks. That on a $80,000,000 upgrade investment. Has beat out most of the new films that opened. Any studio not happy with that kind of return on a film??

Greatness in film has a way of coming back to the theatres again and again. Witness: Gone With The Wind as maybe the classic of all classics on films returning to the theatres. I think Titanic is now the 2nd largest grossing 3D film in history??
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post #213 of 297
4/17/12 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by eriaur View Post

Amazon pre-order

http://www.amazon.com/Titanic-Blu-ra...4362475&sr=1-2

$3 pre-order credit

Thanks, just ordered. Also ordered the history channel Titanic 3D documentary. It appears to be the 3D version of the 100 year expedition they aired this last weekend. they used 3D cameras to explore the entire site, areas never before seen.
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post #214 of 297
4/17/12 at 7:35am
This 3D documentary looks really good.
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post #215 of 297
4/18/12 at 1:26pm
It's been running on Sky 3D in the UK for the last week or so.

Don't they have 3D channels in the US that show all the documentaries we get in the UK, or do you have buy Blu-Rays?
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post #216 of 297
4/19/12 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by derek500 View Post

It's been running on Sky 3D in the UK for the last week or so.

Don't they have 3D channels in the US that show all the documentaries we get in the UK, or do you have buy Blu-Rays?

There are channels, but content depends on Cable or Satellite provider - there is no consistent content.

I'm sure that there is a good chance my local Cable Co (Brighthouse in Orlando) is broadcasting the Titanic 3D documentary. I should probably check it out...
EDIT: Apparently not available via On-Demand.

However, BD content usually looks better than the SBS or T/B 3D content, because it is full 1080p and there is no super-compression for broadcast.

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post #217 of 297
5/1/12 at 3:54pm
I was watching the Nat Geo special about Cameron's dive to Challenger Deep. In it he says that they spent $20 million to convert TITANIC to 3D
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post #218 of 297
5/8/12 at 3:52am
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

I was watching the Nat Geo special about Cameron's dive to Challenger Deep. In it he says that they spent $20 million to convert TITANIC to 3D

I've seen $18m quoted; as in this article: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...cameron-312631

Whatever the exact amount, it was money well spent. The conversion reveals exquisite attention to detail in getting the 3D effect right. For me, it added greatly to the visual impact.

And I am someone normally unmoved by conversions (e.g. the post-production 3D movie, Alice in Wonderland).
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post #219 of 297
5/17/12 at 11:34am
Best Buy website has Ghosts of the Abyss 3D Blu-Ray Titanic documentary available on Sept 11, 2012 and Titanic 3D on Sept 14, 2012.
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post #220 of 297
6/1/12 at 4:48am
Latest info released and BIG news.

3D version will be spread across 2 discs so put down that popcorn you will have to change discs. Also it is going to be open matte 1.78 and not OAR 2.35.. This will be very interesting (and possible polarizing). Was it rereleased at 1.78 in theaters?
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post #221 of 297
6/1/12 at 7:29am
Two discs? WTF?
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post #222 of 297
6/1/12 at 10:52am
The 3-D version will have the feature spread over 2 discs, while the 2-D version will be on one.

The 2-D DVD and Bluray 2-D version will still be OAR (Scope) while the 3-D Bluray will be 1.78:1

This from an interview with Cameron detailing the above information:

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JC: On the re-release, we released Titanic also in IMAX, the digital IMAX format, in 2D and in 3D, and we did that in 1.78:1 aspect ratio - this is kind of geeking out for neophiles now. But the film was originally released in a CinemaScope ratio - 2.35:1 ratio. So in the new release, the DVD and the standard Blu-ray and the 2D Blu-ray is 2.35, and the 3D Blu-ray is in 17:8 or 16:9, which means that it'll fill the HD monitor. And that's not cropped, that's actually added material. And in the process of remastering the film, we had to go back and do a lot of paint work to remove dollies and microphones and things like that, that were in view just outside of the scope area.

This is more of the videophile geek fest, but the film was originally shot with Super 35 format, which meant that there was always more frame available than what we released. So we've gone back to that and we've cleaned it up and so it actually plays beautifully in 3D in the 16:9 format, I think, so it's a slightly different experience.


Cameron on Titanic's film grain:

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The other thing is that the very first thing we did when started down the path of rereleasing the film was to do a 4k up-res remaster of the film to create a brand new master. We went back in the original negative and we made a 4k transfer. We went to a company that has, I think, the best proprietary algorithms for image enhancement and noise reduction. We did their top clean -- they call it a "clean" because it was originally developed for restoring old films -- and we basically removed all the grain, sharpened it without adding any artifacts whatsoever, and then obviously I spent a lot of time perfecting the color on it. And I can safely say that you're seeing something that actually looks better than what we would have seen in 1997 from an original negative print. And I can't say that not any of my other movies, but I could say that about "Titanic" because that's the process that we went.

Complete interview:
http://au.movies.yahoo.com/on-show/a...val-on-2d-and/
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post #223 of 297
6/1/12 at 11:22am
2 discs = more value :P
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post #224 of 297
6/1/12 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by cakefoo View Post

2 discs = more value :P

Actually it's 4 discs (even MORE value), just 2 for the 3D movie. Easy to understand why since it's not only 3D (about 30%? more data than 2D) but it's also 1.78 which requires another (about) 20% data over 2.35.
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post #225 of 297
7/19/12 at 9:00pm
just to re-iterate what Josh have mentioned (which I concur)

old movies (with 35mm print) has an approximately 8MP equivalent in quality or better. hence the studios are scanning everything in 4K resolution nowadays. So from SD to HD, there is no modernizing there. Not even if they re-released the movies in UHDTV.

as far as mono sound? if the original track is mono, I'd rather listen to it in mono. I have yet to hear an originally mono soundtrack that sounds better in stereo. Not even The Beatles pseudo-stereo LP original releases.
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post #226 of 297
7/19/12 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by William View Post


Actually it's 4 discs (even MORE value), just 2 for the 3D movie. Easy to understand why since it's not only 3D (about 30%? more data than 2D) but it's also 1.78 which requires another (about) 20% data over 2.35.

Why the 1.78 require more data over 2.35? For blu-ray, either format "eats" 1920 x 1080 pixels regardless of aspect ratio.
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post #227 of 297
7/19/12 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Why the 1.78 require more data over 2.35? For blu-ray, either format "eats" 1920 x 1080 pixels regardless of aspect ratio.

i'm not quite sure the actual explanation, but in my experience, it seems black pixels usually require less data to store. just look at digital pictures. with the same camera, a mostly black picture, like one of the moon at night, is a noticeably smaller file size than one of a typical day time scenery shot. i'm looking through some of mine, and with the same 16.2 MP camera, at the same 4608x3456 resolution, some of the night pictures are less than half the file size of a day picture. so i'd assume the same is true in digital video; the black bars use less information than actual moving imagery. just my guess though...
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post #228 of 297
7/19/12 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

just to re-iterate what Josh have mentioned (which I concur)
old movies (with 35mm print) has an approximately 8MP equivalent in quality or better. hence the studios are scanning everything in 4K resolution nowadays. So from SD to HD, there is no modernizing there. Not even if they re-released the movies in UHDTV.
as far as mono sound? if the original track is mono, I'd rather listen to it in mono. I have yet to hear an originally mono soundtrack that sounds better in stereo. Not even The Beatles pseudo-stereo LP original releases.

That 8MP is strictly for the original camera negative, If they are forced to go to either an Interpositive or Internegative, the pixel count is considerably less due to MTF.
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post #229 of 297
7/24/12 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by flyingmunkey View Post

i'm not quite sure the actual explanation, but in my experience, it seems black pixels usually require less data to store. just look at digital pictures. with the same camera, a mostly black picture, like one of the moon at night, is a noticeably smaller file size than one of a typical day time scenery shot. i'm looking through some of mine, and with the same 16.2 MP camera, at the same 4608x3456 resolution, some of the night pictures are less than half the file size of a day picture. so i'd assume the same is true in digital video; the black bars use less information than actual moving imagery. just my guess though...

This is true for any compressed media. (Bluray, DVD, jpegs, etc)

For uncompressed media typically not used by the average consumer (uncompressed AVI, TIFF or BMP image sequences, etc), the file size will not change based on the content.
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post #230 of 297
8/18/12 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Why the 1.78 require more data over 2.35? For blu-ray, either format "eats" 1920 x 1080 pixels regardless of aspect ratio.[/quote

1920x1080 equals the 16:9 ratio, so 2.35 would have a blank window above and below the image and the image is always less than 1920x1080, so the 16:9 version is going to include more data above and below the original 2.35 image because it was shot in Super 35 which is closer to the 16:9 ratio or IMAX. 2.35 is also known as letter-boxed video because it imposes a slimmer rectangle inside of a 16:9 screen. If you don't believe me, open Microsoft excel and divide 1920/1080 or 16/9 and see what you get==1.78
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post #231 of 297
8/18/12 at 3:22pm
I don't know if any one cares but Cameron's Avatar will finally get a 3D release on Blu-ray for anyone to buy. Previously, the 3d version was only available in special Panasonic 3d offers. Here's the news source.
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post #232 of 297
8/18/12 at 3:48pm
Threed, I know all about aspect ratio. I've been an ISF calibrator since the 3rd year of ISF in existence. One thing you forget is that the black bars of any ratio othr than 1.78:1 is part of the frame. So the data for each frame on scope movies are still 1920x1080 although the picture part is only 1920x780 (depending on the actual AR).

The argument that scope movies have less data than 16:9 movies only true if the black bars are generated by the players and the encoded movie data is only 1920x780. But that is not the case. Be it 1.78:1, 1.66:1, 2:1, 2.4:1, 3:1 or even if you wan to make 6:1, each frame still carry 1920x1080 pixels. It's just more of the pixels are black instead of the actual scene.

That is my understanding... Unless what THX and Technicolor taught me are wrong.
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post #233 of 297
8/19/12 at 3:51am
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Originally Posted by finetuned View Post

I don't know if any one cares but Cameron's Avatar will finally get a 3D release on Blu-ray for anyone to buy. Previously, the 3d version was only available in special Panasonic 3d offers. Here's the news source.

Thanks, just ordered it from Amazon.
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post #234 of 297
8/19/12 at 4:18pm
Amazon has a special edition of TITANIC 3D with a lot of extras for $70.00.
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post #235 of 297
8/29/12 at 6:27pm
Just preordered the BD 3D from Amazon. biggrin.gif
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post #236 of 297
8/30/12 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by HDTV Freak View Post

Just preordered the BD 3D from Amazon. biggrin.gif
I have the movie and Ghosts of the Abyss pre-ordered as well. They both come out on the same day. Gonna make for some great 3D viewing on my 119" screen! biggrin.gif
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post #237 of 297
9/7/12 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

each frame still carry 1920x1080 pixels. It's just more of the pixels are black instead of the actual scene.
That is my understanding... Unless what THX and Technicolor taught me are wrong.

That is the uncompressed frames. In very simple terms when the video is compressed a full frame of movement has to adjust every pixel that moves so it has to show a lot of detail for color shifts (Pixel 1 red, pixel 2-4 yellow, pixel 5 white). When you have a big black box it can say (pixel 1 - 100,000 no change). That is why when cable or sat overcompresses their channels on the fly you can see blocky pictures.
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post #238 of 297
9/7/12 at 4:01am
Thank you for the reminder. I completely forgotten about the savings in GoP compression!

Thanks again!
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post #239 of 297
9/9/12 at 9:14am
Best Buy has the 3D BR for $24.99 with a $5 coupon. Looks like it's in-store only.
http://www.titanicmovie.com/bestbuy/
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post #240 of 297
9/9/12 at 12:06pm
Just cancelled my Amazon order and printed the $5 coupn for BB available tomorrow.
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