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post #2371 of 4574
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Originally Posted by joutlaw View Post

Interesting... my tuners are at 48.5 C. I may need to get some more airflow in my case.

I have what i would consider a case with very good airflow,see below link, but my temps are around 53-55 C. as one poster mentioned, The tuner card is right next to my GPU, but the GPU heat sink is on the outside slot of the case, so the heat should dissipate away from the tuner card and exit through the case ventilation due to the positive airflow design.

I'm not having any issues with the card, I was just interested in the low temps you guys are running.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163149
post #2372 of 4574
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Originally Posted by flocko View Post

Thank You for your interest .

I have not done a ticket with diag. to ceton support due to the fact that the ipv6 issue is my network problem . I posted here due to the fact that I was sure that some one here had seen this before and would have a simple solution . I want to try one more thing before I give up and contact ceton support . I want to try and disable Microsoft security ess, and reboot and see if ipv6 will come back .


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/299357

My computer / net working "wiz" of a son of mine found out that the tcp/ip for the ipv6 connection was corrupt . He found a nice auto repair tool at a Microsoft web site that fixed the issue in about 15 seconds . He had to re do the tv channel guide in WMC but that was easy and we are back up and getting tv again . Click the "fix it" button in post # 2 of the link.

Thought I would share the repair link in case anybody sees this issue on there computer
post #2373 of 4574
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I picked up an XBOX360 with a broken CD drive from Craig's List for $40... Works great but a bit load for a bedroom. A 360 slim can be had for $150 - and that is quiet enough when not playing games.

xnappo

But I need more than just tv. I need it to play high bitrate mkvs. Which I don't believe it can do.
post #2374 of 4574
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

But I need more than just tv. I need it to play high bitrate mkvs. Which I don't believe it can do.

It can if you put the shark007 codec pack or divx plus on the HTPC(just splits, no transcoding). Don't want to go too off topic - if some googling with that info doesn't help, let me know. It isn't as clean as an HTPC, but you get dynamic tuners and playing of drmed cable channels...

xnappo
post #2375 of 4574
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Originally Posted by joutlaw View Post

Interesting... my tuners are at 48.5 C. I may need to get some more airflow in my case.

Really? I only get that temp when they're idle. They can jump to 79 c when active. I'm using a Antec fusion case, with a passive hd 6570 card.
post #2376 of 4574
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Originally Posted by jamawass View Post

Really? I only get that temp when they're idle. They can jump to 79 c when active. I'm using a Antec fusion case, with a passive hd 6570 card.

The Fusion is a good case with airflow chamber separation but due to the side fans there is very little active cooling across the PCI\\PCIe slots, especially if there is a discrete GPU.

When I used my Fusion v1 I installed a Noctua 60mm fan in the front to push air across the cards. I'll see if I can find some photos.
post #2377 of 4574
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I picked up an XBOX360 with a broken CD drive from Craig's List for $40... Works great but a bit load for a bedroom. A 360 slim can be had for $150 - and that is quiet enough when not playing games.

xnappo

I heard others who say their slim power supply is quiet but the fan in mine is just too loud for the bedroom.

Now that the latest Ceton beta firmware appears to be stable for me, I might take back the Cable Company DVR and move the xbox to the basement to be used as an extender for the bedroom.

The hard drive in the Cable Company's DVR is too loud to keep in the bedroom as well. The clicking and humming of the drive spinning wakes me up from a sound sleep.
post #2378 of 4574
I got 2 200mm fans in my case so im not worried about heat. But why does it get hot? does it use a lot of power?

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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

Anyone got real info on the heat? Is it worse than say a fanless gpu?
post #2379 of 4574
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

Anyone got real info on the heat? Is it worse than say a fanless gpu?

I have 2 120 mm fans blowing in from the front over 5 Hard Drives. I then have 2 120mm fans blowing out. One on the top and one on the upper back. The Power Supply is mounted in the bottom back of the case.

I had to move the Infinitv card to the slot below the GPU as I needed the PCI slot that was blocked by the Infinitv card. The temperature of the infinitv tuners sit at 41C when in use. The were 40C when a few slows below the GPU. They never go any hotter and the motherboard and CPU stay reasonably cool as well.

The PC is in my basement where the temperature typically sits around 66F all year with about 40% Humidity.
post #2380 of 4574
Well it all went south yesterday evening. I decided to try and share 4 of my 8 tuners with a few other networked pc's and now my tuner setup is hosed. I get to a WMC screen where it says please wait network tuners being configured but just hangs. If I hard restart, my pc gets to the windows loading portion and just hangs. I can run a windows restore and get to a last good known configuration but of the 8 tuners in the HTPC only one is available. I was looking for a number to call Ceton support but couldn't find one, any ideas?
post #2381 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Well it all went south yesterday evening. I decided to try and share 4 of my 8 tuners with a few other networked pc's and now my tuner setup is hosed. I get to a WMC screen where it says please wait network tuners being configured but just hangs. If I hard restart, my pc gets to the windows loading portion and just hangs. I can run a windows restore and get to a last good known configuration but of the 8 tuners in the HTPC only one is available. I was looking for a number to call Ceton support but couldn't find one, any ideas?

What network card do you have in your PC? And do you have the OEM drivers (not those from Windows Update)?

What you should do is run the Network Wizard and select "Reset to factory defaults", Reboot and then configure Live TV again. If that doesn't work please open a a ticket and attach a diagnostics.
post #2382 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Well it all went south yesterday evening. I decided to try and share 4 of my 8 tuners with a few other networked pc's and now my tuner setup is hosed. I get to a WMC screen where it says please wait network tuners being configured but just hangs. If I hard restart, my pc gets to the windows loading portion and just hangs. I can run a windows restore and get to a last good known configuration but of the 8 tuners in the HTPC only one is available. I was looking for a number to call Ceton support but couldn't find one, any ideas?

Good luck. I bricked my htpc every time I tried to enable tuner sharing. I tried a new NIC, firmware, drivers, and nothing worked. I eventually switched the cards to another HTPC built with a different MB and processor and everything worked wonderfully. For the record, I have a 5000 and 5124 card. The 5000 worked fine with sharing in the original htpc but any time I added the 5124, the system bricked.
post #2383 of 4574
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Originally Posted by jamawass View Post

Really? I only get that temp when they're idle. They can jump to 79 c when active. I'm using a Antec fusion case, with a passive hd 6570 card.

I am using the SilverStone GD05B. It's a pretty good case in my opinion. I have an Antec EA-380D PSU which is pretty overkill for my setup. Inside temps are starting to rise as I am too cheap to keep my house at 70F while I am work.

Below are my specs:

Intel i3 2100
Biostar H67MH
8GB G-Skill RipJaws DDR3 1333
Crucial M4 128GB SSD - OS
Hitachi DeskStar 1.5TB - Recordings
Ceton PCIe Tuner with Comcast

I use the integrated video's HDMI to my Onkyo 608. So far it has been pretty good. I have occasional HDMI handshake problems that I think is related to HDCP. I have found that if I program my Haromny to stop TV playback at poweroff, it's helps.

This is a dedicated HTPC rig so no need for a dedicated GPU. I've been pretty impressed with the 2100. It's a solid proc for HTPC use.
post #2384 of 4574
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

It can if you put the shark007 codec pack or divx plus on the HTPC(just splits, no transcoding). Don't want to go too off topic - if some googling with that info doesn't help, let me know. It isn't as clean as an HTPC, but you get dynamic tuners and playing of drmed cable channels...

xnappo

Oh cool I didn't know that. They are so dang loud though I will probably hold out for the Echo. Ceton really needs to give us some info.
post #2385 of 4574
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Originally Posted by joutlaw View Post

I am using the SilverStone GD05B. It's a pretty good case in my opinion. I have an Antec EA-380D PSU which is pretty overkill for my setup. Inside temps are starting to rise as I am too cheap to keep my house at 70F while I am work.

I have the same case and PS and 2 Cetons in it. Originally I was getting 50-55C when I had one card in it. When I added the second card, they would get pretty close to 70 with all 8 tuners going.

What I did was put an additional fan blowing across both cards and they now idle around 40 and peak around 47 with all 8 tuners going. I put in an order for copper heatsinks and hope to get the temperature down into the 30s.

I think these cards should ship with a copper heatsink and fan. It's a pretty inexpensive solution and you don't need a beefy/noisy fan, but it drops the temperature considerably.
post #2386 of 4574
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Originally Posted by packetlosss View Post

I have the same case and PS and 2 Cetons in it. Originally I was getting 50-55C when I had one card in it. When I added the second card, they would get pretty close to 70 with all 8 tuners going.

What I did was put an additional fan blowing across both cards and they now idle around 40 and peak around 47 with all 8 tuners going. I put in an order for copper heatsinks and hope to get the temperature down into the 30s.

I think these cards should ship with a copper heatsink and fan. It's a pretty inexpensive solution and you don't need a beefy/noisy fan, but it drops the temperature considerably.

Eric - any comment considering your 5W nightlight ?

I am thinking that the card might draw 5W power, but that a lot of heat is generated by RF conversion. I always notice that cable box coax jacks are warm.

xnappo
post #2387 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mikinho View Post

What network card do you have in your PC? And do you have the OEM drivers (not those from Windows Update)?

What you should do is run the Network Wizard and select "Reset to factory defaults", Reboot and then configure Live TV again. If that doesn't work please open a a ticket and attach a diagnostics.

I have been using the two cards for a bit now with no issues. My NIC uses the default drivers from the original MB install. The machine gets hosed as soon as I try and run your network tuner setup. The only way to get it out is a hard reboot and then running windows restore to prior last good configuration.

There is something def wrong with the network tuner setup as this is repeatable. I have now tried to run through three times and all three result in exact same hose in the WMC network configuration utility. Running the two cards minus the Network setup is fine. The challenge with getting a log to post/send is how? The machine is rendered useless when I try and run the wizard.
post #2388 of 4574
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Originally Posted by tkole View Post

Good luck. I bricked my htpc every time I tried to enable tuner sharing. I tried a new NIC, firmware, drivers, and nothing worked. I eventually switched the cards to another HTPC built with a different MB and processor and everything worked wonderfully. For the record, I have a 5000 and 5124 card. The 5000 worked fine with sharing in the original htpc but any time I added the 5124, the system bricked.

as a matter of fact I have a 5000 and recently added the 5124 all was ok with network sharing before (as far as not hosing the machine) and since the new card was added hmmm.
post #2389 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

I have been using the two cards for a bit now with no issues. My NIC uses the default drivers from the original MB install. The machine gets hosed as soon as I try and run your network tuner setup. The only way to get it out is a hard reboot and then running windows restore to prior last good configuration.

Most older network drivers (and Windows Update drivers) do not properly implement network packet filtering needed for network bridging. Install the latest drivers from your NIC manufacturer directly.
post #2390 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

as a matter of fact I have a 5000 and recently added the 5124 all was ok with network sharing before (as far as not hosing the machine) and since the new card was added hmmm.

Having 5000 vs 5124 plays no part in bridging or compatibility.

How did you bridge the 2nd InfiniTV? Was there an existing bridge in place already?
post #2391 of 4574
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Originally Posted by packetlosss View Post

I have the same case and PS and 2 Cetons in it. Originally I was getting 50-55C when I had one card in it. When I added the second card, they would get pretty close to 70 with all 8 tuners going.

What I did was put an additional fan blowing across both cards and they now idle around 40 and peak around 47 with all 8 tuners going. I put in an order for copper heatsinks and hope to get the temperature down into the 30s.

I think these cards should ship with a copper heatsink and fan. It's a pretty inexpensive solution and you don't need a beefy/noisy fan, but it drops the temperature considerably.


I also have the same case. Which copper heatsinks are you referring to? I recall seeing something on thegreenbutton.com a while ago about them but I am unable to find the thread. Mine idles around 45 but can get around 62 during the summer months when in use.
post #2392 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mikinho View Post

Having 5000 vs 5124 plays no part in bridging or compatibility.

How did you bridge the 2nd InfiniTV? Was there an existing bridge in place already?

I beg to differ. There is definitely some hardware incompatablity with the 5124 card. I had no problems sharing the 5000 card by itself. Once I added the 5124 card the system froze and would not boot. I removed the 5000 card, left in the 5124, performed a fresh install of windows 7, enabled tuner sharing again with the same result of a frozen system. That sounds like a difference to me. Moving the card to another pc with completely different hardware solved the problem so the card is not broken.
post #2393 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mikinho View Post

Having 5000 vs 5124 plays no part in bridging or compatibility.

How did you bridge the 2nd InfiniTV? Was there an existing bridge in place already?

I unshared or turned off the original bridge and tried with the new card. It shows me the 8 tuners and when I pick and click next it locks up WMC and the PC. The PC wont even boot. It gets to almost a full build of the windows logo and hangs. I have to do a windows restore to even get back into the PC. I thought I was using the latest Realtek drivers.
post #2394 of 4574
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Originally Posted by tkole View Post

I beg to differ. There is definitely some hardware incompatablity with the 5124 card. I had no problems sharing the 5000 card by itself. Once I added the 5124 card the system froze and would not boot. I removed the 5000 card, left in the 5124, performed a fresh install of windows 7, enabled tuner sharing again with the same result of a frozen system. That sounds like a difference to me. Moving the card to another pc with completely different hardware solved the problem so the card is not broken.

can you share the 5124 card via another PC? I was sharing my initial card just fine. Its actually not a 5xxx its a xxxx I misspoke earlier.
post #2395 of 4574
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Originally Posted by phimoore View Post

I also have the same case. Which copper heatsinks are you referring to? I recall seeing something on thegreenbutton.com a while ago about them but I am unable to find the thread. Mine idles around 45 but can get around 62 during the summer months when in use.


I ordered the shorter ones on ebay as newegg was out of stock. My concern is also about how it will do during the summer so I am hoping to get it down to the 30s now with the heatsinks + the fan I already have in there. Then again, during the summer I doubt I will ever have more than 4 things recording at once.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330656197216...84.m1497.l2649
post #2396 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

can you share the 5124 card via another PC? I was sharing my initial card just fine. Its actually not a 5xxx its a xxxx I misspoke earlier.

Yes, in the other pc I have the 5000 and 5124 coexisting peacefully with tuner sharing enabled. I'll post the specs of the incompatible vs compatible pc tonight.
post #2397 of 4574
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

I unshared or turned off the original bridge and tried with the new card. It shows me the 8 tuners and when I pick and click next it locks up WMC and the PC. The PC wont even boot. It gets to almost a full build of the windows logo and hangs. I have to do a windows restore to even get back into the PC. I thought I was using the latest Realtek drivers.

This is what happened to me every time. I would have to reimage the computer inorder to even boot up.
post #2398 of 4574
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Originally Posted by tkole View Post

I beg to differ. There is definitely some hardware incompatablity with the 5124 card. I had no problems sharing the 5000 card by itself. Once I added the 5124 card the system froze and would not boot. I removed the 5000 card, left in the 5124, performed a fresh install of windows 7, enabled tuner sharing again with the same result of a frozen system. That sounds like a difference to me. Moving the card to another pc with completely different hardware solved the problem so the card is not broken.

Did you move the 5124 card to the same slot the 5000 card had been in or leave it in the slot it was in? Unless you moved it to the slot the 5000 card was using, you can't really draw any conclusions that the 5124 card was the problem. A couple of good tests to run would be to put the 5000 card into the slot the 5124 card was in and see what happens and then put the 5124 card into the slot the 5000 card was using and see what happens. My hunch is you'll find there's something about the slot on that motherboard that's causing the issue (something like an IRQ conflict, for example).
post #2399 of 4574
FWIW - I was having "no tuners available" in WMS and only a reboot would fix. Since upgading FW from 1.0.9.6 to 1.1.2.4 this has been eliminated and the aggravation with it. My tuner is USB 4881 Hardware, Dec.2011 purchased. I am still seeing occasional re-boot and recordings clipped "due to another component". I may try the newer beta and see what that does.
post #2400 of 4574
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Did you move the 5124 card to the same slot the 5000 card had been in or leave it in the slot it was in? Unless you moved it to the slot the 5000 card was using, you can't really draw any conclusions that the 5124 card was the problem. A couple of good tests to run would be to put the 5000 card into the slot the 5124 card was in and see what happens and then put the 5124 card into the slot the 5000 card was using and see what happens. My hunch is you'll find there's something about the slot on that motherboard that's causing the issue (something like an IRQ conflict, for example).

I tried every pcie slot with a fresh install of windows every time. I looked at the irq table and found no conflicts. Believe me, I have a PhD in engineering and know all about limiting variables within experiments.
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