Latest Ceton InfiniTV 4 Info Thread - Page 84

Originally Posted by WhatHappend

The install directions state:

http://www.cetoncorp.com/documents/I...edure_v1_3.pdf


Isn't that clear enough?

Originally Posted by kcr6419


I tested it with xbmc on my laptop and it worked. The processor and video card in my laptop are pretty crappy so it wasn't usable. It pegged the CPU.

I never could get the guide to work.

It's not for me, however, as I watch a lot of copy protected programming.

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

What do you mean it worked but you couldn't get the guide to work. Do you mean it just worked out of the box or you figured out a diferent way besides the guide? Also do you know if channels(besides copy protected, like copy freely, or copy once) are recordable or just watchable?

Originally Posted by xnappo


It is really just a hack right now - nothing more than a proof of concept.

You can only watch right now. Really he probably would have been better off using RemotePotato as a base I think.

The real project to watch is the XBMC PVR branch - but even there we will probably never see protected content support. Maybe someday there will be XBMC hook into some sort of PlayReady API -but I am not holding my breath.

I had been running XBMC for a LONG time and tried to stick with it(launching from WMC etc etc) when I first got the Ceton - but in the end switched to WMC and MediaBrowser with Shark007 codec pack. I am happy with it... I have everything very tightly integrated now.

xnappo

Originally Posted by xnappo


It is really just a hack right now - nothing more than a proof of concept.

You can only watch right now. Really he probably would have been better off using RemotePotato as a base I think.

The real project to watch is the XBMC PVR branch - but even there we will probably never see protected content support. Maybe someday there will be XBMC hook into some sort of PlayReady API -but I am not holding my breath.

I had been running XBMC for a LONG time and tried to stick with it(launching from WMC etc etc) when I first got the Ceton - but in the end switched to WMC and MediaBrowser with Shark007 codec pack. I am happy with it... I have everything very tightly integrated now.

xnappo

Originally Posted by erickotz


A number of factors can come into play, including whether MoCA is on or off on the ONT, signal strength, etc.

I'd bet your CableCARD isn't paired, and they have the channel set to Copy Once

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

I don't care about protected content, eveyrthing I get is copy freely or copy once maybe. If the pvr branch doesn't support cablecard its no good to me. Even if it is a hack and as long as it runs smoothly and I can watch live tv in xbmc that's all I care about. Recorded shows is a plus but not a necessity.I much prefer xbmc over wmc/mediaabrowser.

Originally Posted by xnappo


Then yeah, it will do what you want... For setting up recordings, for now look into remotepotato - that way you could setup recordings in the background.

Regarding the PVR branch, one of the options uses mythTV as the backend, and I believe there is now support for unprotected Ceton content...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8JrnC4EinU
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4

That would be a big project - but if I were not on $#^%# TWC that sets everything except locals to copy once, that is where I would be.

xnappo

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

Thanks

Originally Posted by xnappo


No problem - I just reread your original post and saw the 'or copy once maybe'. To be clear you will NOT be able to view copy once content.

xnappo

Originally Posted by WhatHappend

The install directions state:

http://www.cetoncorp.com/documents/I...edure_v1_3.pdf


Isn't that clear enough?

Originally Posted by cnewsgrp

I am sure your intentions are good and trying to help, but is yelling necessary?

Also eric or someone who knows can you please let me know instructions for installing a low pass filter?

Originally Posted by BrianAZ

Is there anything in the cable labs requirements that say open source projects can't request certification? If they got someone with deep pockets to fund the $200k certification fee or whatever it is? I would LOVE for XBMC to use my Ceton for protected content.

-Brian

Originally Posted by mariob33

erickotz,

Figured I would update on my mysterious missing or unable to view premium channel issue. As of Tuesday all my channels were back on. The free preview of Stars/HBO went away and my channels returned. I would think that the two events are definitely somehow related or so it appears on the surface. I have requested a Verizon service call to install a low pass filter. I am just not convinced that will solve this issue but worth a try. Has Ceton ever seen/heard of other Verizon FIOS users suffering the same. There was a report here of content flag changes during this preview,

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r270...Flags-changed-

Could this be root cause?

Originally Posted by erickotz

Devices that implement the DRI do not have to be CL certification. You just need to support a supported DRM (which essentially means WMDRM now) to use copy once content. Copy once content can be implemented with no certification/licensing by anyone.
From what I remember, getting WMDRM certified by MS is about $15k, so while not exactly pocket change, it's a lot cheaper than $200,000. However, one thing to keep in mind is getting WMDRM certified may be mutually exclusive with open source - most likely, the part of the software that handles DRM would have to be closed-source, however the rest of the program could be open.

Originally Posted by xnappo

Thanks for the info Eric - I know Ceton is resource limited, but it sure would be nice if you had an API/DLL and example stand-alone application that did this Then the open source projects could just link in - this is actually how the XBMC PVR is being developed - it is meant to be a front-end to another back-end system.

xnappo

Originally Posted by erickotz

Well, the whole video output path has to be protected - I'm not a dev, so I don't fully understand what it entails, but it's would basically have to be a video playback library.

Originally Posted by erickotz

Devices that implement the DRI do not have to be CL certification. You just need to support a supported DRM (which essentially means WMDRM now) to use copy once content. Copy once content can be implemented with no certification/licensing by anyone.
From what I remember, getting WMDRM certified by MS is about $15k, so while not exactly pocket change, it's a lot cheaper than $200,000. However, one thing to keep in mind is getting WMDRM certified may be mutually exclusive with open source - most likely, the part of the software that handles DRM would have to be closed-source, however the rest of the program could be open.



Most likely. I am not a FiOS customer, but from what I've heard, when they do a free preview weekend the drop encryption on the channel entirely, making it ClearQAM. The now-ClearQAM channel no longer has a CCI (CCI trumps all for copy protection flags), which means that any embedded signals (like CGMS) control the OCUR's output. That sounds like what's happening here. Yes, we know that you can just tune it with a ClearQAM tuner without copy protection, but we are required to behave in this manner by CableLabs, and they have resisted a change thus far.

Originally Posted by xnappo

Just put it in between the cable from the wall and the Ceton jack.

xnappo

Originally Posted by erickotz

The now-ClearQAM channel no longer has a CCI (CCI trumps all for copy protection flags), which means that any embedded signals (like CGMS) control the OCUR's output.

Originally Posted by cnewsgrp

Thanks

Originally Posted by cybrsage

You use Ethernet for your Internet, right? You can put it at the MoCA box where it comes it first starts being Coax. If you use Coax for your Internet, then you need to put it on the output side of the splitter that goes to the Ceton Tuner. The LPF will stop Coax Internet from working if it is in the path to the Coax router at all.

Originally Posted by cybrsage

You use Ethernet for your Internet, right? You can put it at the MoCA box where it comes it first starts being Coax. If you use Coax for your Internet, then you need to put it on the output side of the splitter that goes to the Ceton Tuner. The LPF will stop Coax Internet from working if it is in the path to the Coax router at all.

Originally Posted by mariob33

I am not 100% sure I understand (fully) so please let me know if I am way off base. Does this mean that during free preview events my CETON tuner will not be able to tune to these channels? Perhaps a workaround exists?

Originally Posted by cnewsgrp

Eric: Can you explain the sentence please? I understand that there is no CCI, but don't follow next part "which means that any embedded signals (like CGMS) control the OCUR's output"

Originally Posted by erickotz

No it does not - it means that they may be treated as copy once during free preview. You can still/record them as long as your DVR supports copy once content

Originally Posted by mariob33

by DVR do you mean WMC/CETON combo? As far as i would know they do, no? So would you recommend a case with Ceton or Fios to determine why my premium channels blacked out over the weekend?

Originally Posted by erickotz

Yup, I meant WMC/Ceton. You would probably want to start with us, but unless you have a diagnostic capture from the InfiniTV while tuned to that channel (and the problem occurring) we really can't help

Originally Posted by smcmillan2

If by flickering you mean flashing light across the entire screen (not the single band of pixelation reported by others) I had the same issue with the last 2 versions of the nVidia drivers and a GeForce 210. Initially had the problem with version 285.62, found a thread that I can't seem to locate right now that indicated setting Digital Color Format under Adjust Desktop Color Settings in the nVidia Control Panel to YCbCr444 from RGB resolved it for them. I did this and the flashing was gone.

Installed 295.73 and had the flashing problem even after the RGB change, but not on every channel. Ditto for 296.10. Reverting back to 285.62 with the RGB change resolved it on every channel.