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post #3331 of 4745
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Originally Posted by 1992lee View Post

Eric, I am sorry that I didn't see your reply to my post. My goal in separating the networks is to decrease the load on the network because when I have four xboxes going that are streaming HD programs and somebody in the house downloads a video to an IPhone or a laptop, the video feeds on the Xboxes experience significant motion artifact/ lagging. It is reproducible, but has improved since I changed to an intel NIC, changed wireless range extender, and added a new router. I am asking a lot of the network, but do you guys have any other thoughts for me to try. The system works great if it is not taxed very much, but the FAF drops significantly under their typical use.
What networking equipment (router, switches, wireless access points, etc.) do you have, what kind of cabling are you using, and how are the various pieces interconnected? If the switches are gigabit and everything is hooked up correctly, I don't believe you should be running into any problems given the number of devices you've listed.
post #3332 of 4745
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Originally Posted by alspoll View Post

Need some help please...
I have the tuner card set up and all stations except the premium channels work fine. When I tune in a premium channel, it plays smoothly, then "jerks", stutters, every 10 - 15 seconds, making these channels unwatchable.
I am on FIOS, temp at 53.4C, signal level of 8.3dBmV and a SNR of 36.6dB.
I am using MS Security essentials with the latest driver and firmware for the card.
I have tried 5 different video card drivers (ATI 5670) and all are doing the same thing. This is on a clean install of Win7 64bit.
Any suggestions.
TIA
AL

Just to be sure, put a fan on the card temporarily and try it. The temps may be spiking up during play and you would not know it. I realize it is a long shot, but if you have a fan (even removing the PC cover and using a box fan would work) it is a free thing to try and is very easy.
post #3333 of 4745
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Originally Posted by 1992lee View Post

Eric, I am sorry that I didn't see your reply to my post. My goal in separating the networks is to decrease the load on the network because when I have four xboxes going that are streaming HD programs and somebody in the house downloads a video to an IPhone or a laptop, the video feeds on the Xboxes experience significant motion artifact/ lagging. It is reproducible, but has improved since I changed to an intel NIC, changed wireless range extender, and added a new router. I am asking a lot of the network, but do you guys have any other thoughts for me to try. The system works great if it is not taxed very much, but the FAF drops significantly under their typical use.

I wouldn't call 4 HD streams a load on a Gbit network.

You might want to draw us sketch and list all equipment involved. And what is up with a wireless range extender?
post #3334 of 4745
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Originally Posted by 1992lee View Post

Because of bandwidth issues I would like to get another HTPC with a separate Ceton Infinitv4 that would be set up on a completely separate network from my original system of HTPC with Ceton and networked xboxes.
The original network would have a wired connection to one xbox and wired/wireless internet. The new network would be dedicated to three Xboxes with only two on at a time.
Here are my questions. Can this separate network be created without an Internet connection? Or, are things like the guide dependent on the Internet?
I could be wrong, but i do not allow updates to the HTPC to happen unless I manually configure them. If the need arises, I can use a wireless adapter to tap into the other network for critical updates, etc. Am I completely off base here?
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Originally Posted by 1992lee View Post

Eric, I am sorry that I didn't see your reply to my post. My goal in separating the networks is to decrease the load on the network because when I have four xboxes going that are streaming HD programs and somebody in the house downloads a video to an IPhone or a laptop, the video feeds on the Xboxes experience significant motion artifact/ lagging. It is reproducible, but has improved since I changed to an intel NIC, changed wireless range extender, and added a new router. I am asking a lot of the network, but do you guys have any other thoughts for me to try. The system works great if it is not taxed very much, but the FAF drops significantly under their typical use.

So what you are saying is that your current setup with one media "server" can't support 4 xboxes, a laptop, and an iphone at the same time. If it's gigabit, there still should be plenty of bandwidth to support this (5 hd streams is possible on even on 100Mb but I wouldn't want to tax the network with that). How powerful is your current "server" ? As it might be cpu, ram or disk related (or possibly network if it is 100Mb). Your first plan is "doable" but there is no reason to not provide internet access to the second network if that is what you ultimately decide to create. It sounds like what might be needed is that 2nd HTPC you mentioned to serve the xboxes to help out an under performing machine but it shouldn't even have to be on a second network just make sure you use a switch instead of the router's built in switch, I've seen a few routers whose 4 port switch seems to not behave as a switch and actually has the router process the switching as I've seen firewall rules also being applied to the lan traffic. I've also seen some strange behavior in the wireless "bridge" between the wireless interface and the switch interface that can also "tax" the built in switch's performance.

And as Andy asked, "what is up with a wireless range extender?" as hd generally should not be expected to perform well with wireless.
Edited by signcarver - 8/3/12 at 9:36pm
post #3335 of 4745
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Originally Posted by alspoll View Post

Need some help please...
I have the tuner card set up and all stations except the premium channels work fine. When I tune in a premium channel, it plays smoothly, then "jerks", stutters, every 10 - 15 seconds, making these channels unwatchable.

Since you mention that it is only on the premium channels, any chance this is the 29/59 bug?
post #3336 of 4745
With a remote enter "411" then "info". Scroll through the pages to the (I think) second to the last page and it will show you the frame rate. If it is switching back and forth between 29 and 59, then yes.
post #3337 of 4745
Not sure what happened, but WMC disappeared from start menu...I could not start it with the green buttone.

Got it back and now it plays correctly but the green button still will not open WMC.

I can live with this for now... but still very frustrating.

Could it be the ATI card? Should I I try a NVIDIA card?

Any suggestions for a good card that works well with MADVR?

Thanks again to all those responded.

AL
post #3338 of 4745
Hey all. Having a problem and need some help.

Recently installed a Ceton Infinity4 tuner as well as a new motherboard, and now my internet "network" connection keeps breaking. The only way to get internet back is to manually disable my Realtek PCIe controler and then re-enable it. I didn't have this problem before installying the Ceton. Could it be something with my motherboard and S3 sleep?

Thanks
post #3339 of 4745
ATI 5670? I think it probably is powerful enough.
post #3340 of 4745
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Originally Posted by Erighan View Post

Hey all. Having a problem and need some help.
Recently installed a Ceton Infinity4 tuner as well as a new motherboard, and now my internet "network" connection keeps breaking. The only way to get internet back is to manually disable my Realtek PCIe controler and then re-enable it. I didn't have this problem before installying the Ceton. Could it be something with my motherboard and S3 sleep?
Thanks

The only thing I can think of is that you may wish to see if there are updated drivers for you network adapter as it sounds like it may be "late" waking from sleep and windows assigns another default gateway... now that I've typed this I seem to recall either an apple service or adobe service that would set the gateway improperly that would occasionally have problems like this that it occasionally would not repopulate the real default gateway (something about it setting two default gateway addresses to an interface).

When its working, look at what "ipconfig /all" and/or "route PRINT" show, you may also wish to redirect the output to a file so you can compare it later rather than copy the output and pasting/saving it somewhere, then when it is not working see if you can see differences (what I am thinking is looking for the default route/gateway and/or if the realtek is even seen and has an ip address).
post #3341 of 4745
Anybody having issues with TBSHD not playing smoothly?

Seems tobe the only non-premium channel not working correctly.

TIA

AL
post #3342 of 4745
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Originally Posted by alspoll View Post

Need some help please...
I have the tuner card set up and all stations except the premium channels work fine. When I tune in a premium channel, it plays smoothly, then "jerks", stutters, every 10 - 15 seconds, making these channels unwatchable.
I also have FiOS and had that same problem with only the premium channels. It turned out to be the 29/59 bug and my i5-650 Clarkdale graphics. I added a GeForce GT 430 to correct the problem.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

With a remote enter "411" then "info".
For some reason entering 411 info with the remote has never worked for me. I have to enter 411 then Ctrl+D on my keyboard to get the debug screen to come up.
post #3343 of 4745
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Originally Posted by alspoll View Post

Anybody having issues with TBSHD not playing smoothly?
Seems tobe the only non-premium channel not working correctly.
TIA
AL
TBSHD seems to be working fine for me.
post #3344 of 4745
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

ATI 5670? I think it probably is powerful enough.
I found someone else with 5670 trouble. His solution (coincidentally) was to replace it with a GT 430.
post #3345 of 4745
The GT 430 cleared that up for me with HBO stuff too. The spec's for the ATI 5670 look powerful enough, but I guess not.
post #3346 of 4745
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Originally Posted by alspoll View Post

Anybody having issues with TBSHD not playing smoothly?
Seems tobe the only non-premium channel not working correctly.
TIA
AL
Well, I'm having issues with (TBS' sister net) TNTHD streaming through the house. Specifically, Tuesday night's programming seems to have DRM issues. Will only play on the computer it was recorded on, which - for cable - is the Dell in my office via the Ceton card. We take the laptop out on the deck on Fridays to watch stuff back. "Rizzoli and Isles" and "Franklin and Bash" both brought up a Playready error window. Told me I needed to install it, but attempting to do so brought up an "it's already installed" msg on the laptop.

Meanwhile, the HTPC + Hauppauge HD-PVR in the basement recorded the same shows via DirecTV. Trying to play those on any other computer in the house resulted in audio but no video.

Conversely, "The Closer," "Leverage" and "Falling Skies" all play normally from any machine.
post #3347 of 4745
I think the problem may be related to having JRIVER running in the background. I closed it when watching TV and it does not stutter anymore.

Turns out, not the problem (surprise).

I ordered the GT430 as recommended above. (crossing fingers)

Thanks for the recommendation.

AL
Edited by alspoll - 8/5/12 at 6:36pm
post #3348 of 4745
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Originally Posted by alspoll View Post

I think the problem may be related to having JRIVER running in the background. I closed it when watching TV and it does not stutter anymore.
Turns out, not the problem (surprise).
I ordered the GT430 as recommended above. (crossing fingers)
Thanks for the recommendation.
AL

I've only had luck with driver 280.26 with the GT 430, I believe ken mentioned a few months back that he was using the windows version driver from the windows update with out issue, I've tried 293 or 296 whql, don't recall which one and the 29/59 bug was there. While I'm not having any issues with 280.26, It kind of sucks that I'm stuck on this drivier version, I'm having 3d playback issues and seems I need to update to a later driver, hum, guess I'll keep the PS3 in action for 3d for Now.
post #3349 of 4745
Happy to report, everything appears to working correctly,, no stuttering or jerky-ness on ANY channels and all my media plays back perfectly.

Thank you all for your help!

AL
post #3350 of 4745
I have a problem. I have the PCI version of InfiniTV in one PC using 1 tuner and sharing the others with another PC. I have been noticing that every time there is a power outage and the computers reboot, WMC says that there are no tuners. I have tried shutting down WMC and restarting after 1 minute and the problem persists. Not only that, when I try to setup the tuners, it says that there are no InfiniTVs in the system. I have to reset to factory settings and then start the process with the main system and when that is done, I can do the setup on the second PC. It is basically reinstalling the whole thing each time there is a power outage. This is getting to be very tedious and as you can imagine, is causing quite a bit of consternation at home with threats of going back to a set top box! Any help is welcome.
post #3351 of 4745
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Originally Posted by tsekhar View Post

I have a problem. I have the PCI version of InfiniTV in one PC using 1 tuner and sharing the others with another PC. I have been noticing that every time there is a power outage and the computers reboot, WMC says that there are no tuners. I have tried shutting down WMC and restarting after 1 minute and the problem persists. Not only that, when I try to setup the tuners, it says that there are no InfiniTVs in the system. I have to reset to factory settings and then start the process with the main system and when that is done, I can do the setup on the second PC. It is basically reinstalling the whole thing each time there is a power outage. This is getting to be very tedious and as you can imagine, is causing quite a bit of consternation at home with threats of going back to a set top box! Any help is welcome.
Does each system have a UPS?
post #3352 of 4745
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Originally Posted by tsekhar View Post

I have a problem. I have the PCI version of InfiniTV in one PC using 1 tuner and sharing the others with another PC. I have been noticing that every time there is a power outage and the computers reboot, WMC says that there are no tuners. I have tried shutting down WMC and restarting after 1 minute and the problem persists. Not only that, when I try to setup the tuners, it says that there are no InfiniTVs in the system. I have to reset to factory settings and then start the process with the main system and when that is done, I can do the setup on the second PC. It is basically reinstalling the whole thing each time there is a power outage. This is getting to be very tedious and as you can imagine, is causing quite a bit of consternation at home with threats of going back to a set top box! Any help is welcome.
I second Micromain's suggestion to put a battery backup on each PC. We had much the same problem as you every time the power went out. Now the UPS takes care of those brief outages and the PC doesn't skip a beat. For outages that last longer than the UPS power storage, the UPS puts the computer into hibernation, so again everything is (should be) fine when we power back up.

Another quick'n'easy step that I take anytime the PC reboots (voluntarily or otherwise): when the system comes back up, I launch WMC and select live TV. At this point, invariably it can't tune to any channel no matter how long I wait, so as part of our normal routine I pull out the CableCARD, wait 30 seconds, and slide it back in, then change the channel -- and then our channels come back.

Hope this helps.
post #3353 of 4745
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Originally Posted by JorgeA View Post

I second Micromain's suggestion to put a battery backup on each PC. We had much the same problem as you every time the power went out. Now the UPS takes care of those brief outages and the PC doesn't skip a beat. For outages that last longer than the UPS power storage, the UPS puts the computer into hibernation, so again everything is (should be) fine when we power back up.
Another quick'n'easy step that I take anytime the PC reboots (voluntarily or otherwise): when the system comes back up, I launch WMC and select live TV. At this point, invariably it can't tune to any channel no matter how long I wait, so as part of our normal routine I pull out the CableCARD, wait 30 seconds, and slide it back in, then change the channel -- and then our channels come back.
Hope this helps.
That seems like a lot of money spent and time to keep these things working. I first had an HDhomerun and while it had its issues. It was always connected and authorized. I hate that I can't reboot my htpc, or even sleep it anymore or it will either lose the ceton altogether or lose authorization.

I've been through 100 things with ceton sup[port and multiple cable cards with TW. Seems the best option is to leave the pc on 24/7 and that itself isn't 100% fool proof.
post #3354 of 4745
A tree limb took out the power on my block last night. This morning power was back up. I had unplugged the UPS feeding my PC and the surge protector serving my media room last night and went back to sleep. This morning I plugged it all back in. My HDHR Prime came right back to along with my modem, router, switch and phone adapter. I fired up the computers again and everything is fine other than the audio was muted on my HTPC by the nVidia Control Panel. I had to re-enable it.
post #3355 of 4745
Ok, running into all sorts of problems ever since I installed the Ceton Inifinity card. Hopefully you guys can help resolve my latest issues.

1. When I press the skip/back buttons during playback of recorded content there's a loud popping noise. This doesn't happen 100%, but about 10-20%...enough to drive the wife (and me) crazy. Good news is it doesn't happen when pressing the fast-forward or rewind buttons.

2. I continue to get random "video error" messages while watching live TV. The only way to resolve is clean restart. I researched this issue a couple weeks ago and people said that turing off WMC sound effects could help fix it, but that's not working. Any other suggestions?

Denon AVR-591
ATI 5670 (latest drivers)

Thanks
post #3356 of 4745
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Originally Posted by Erighan View Post

Ok, running into all sorts of problems ever since I installed the Ceton Inifinity card. Hopefully you guys can help resolve my latest issues.
1. When I press the skip/back buttons during playback of recorded content there's a loud popping noise. This doesn't happen 100%, but about 10-20%...enough to drive the wife (and me) crazy. Good news is it doesn't happen when pressing the fast-forward or rewind buttons.
2. I continue to get random "video error" messages while watching live TV. The only way to resolve is clean restart. I researched this issue a couple weeks ago and people said that turing off WMC sound effects could help fix it, but that's not working. Any other suggestions?
Denon AVR-591
ATI 5670 (latest drivers)
Thanks

1:
I believe this is a known issue with Denon receivers. From what I remember, the fix is a firmware update for the receiver

2. I'd start by upgrading your video drivers, and remove any codec packs you have installed.
post #3357 of 4745
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

1:
I believe this is a known issue with Denon receivers. From what I remember, the fix is a firmware update for the receiver
2. I'd start by upgrading your video drivers, and remove any codec packs you have installed.

Thanks Erickotz. I'll look at updating the receiver firmware.

Regarding the video error issue, I have the latest ATI drivers and I haven't installed in codex on my computer. Do you think I should start trying previous versions of the ATI driver? I will do this if you (others) really feel this is the root cause. I'm just a little hesitant because half the time the ATI drivers screw up something else in the process.
post #3358 of 4745
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Originally Posted by Erighan View Post

Thanks Erickotz. I'll look at updating the receiver firmware.
Regarding the video error issue, I have the latest ATI drivers and I haven't installed in codex on my computer. Do you think I should start trying previous versions of the ATI driver? I will do this if you (others) really feel this is the root cause. I'm just a little hesitant because half the time the ATI drivers screw up something else in the process.
You can try the 11.4 drivers to attempt to resolve the video error problem. It seems to work the best to avoid that error. Honestly though, I tried for almost 2 years to resolve it using nearly every iteration of AMD driver and could never do it completely. Ultimately I moved to the Sandy Bridge processor using the iGPU and that finally fixed it. The video error hasn't been a problem since the change.
post #3359 of 4745
I just installed the 304.79 beta drivers and it seems to fix the 29/59 bug. and my games play faster to:) i was using 280.26. You should get a better video carrd. you cant play many games with that card.

Im tootal2 on steam.


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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

I've only had luck with driver 280.26 with the GT 430, I believe ken mentioned a few months back that he was using the windows version driver from the windows update with out issue, I've tried 293 or 296 whql, don't recall which one and the 29/59 bug was there. While I'm not having any issues with 280.26, It kind of sucks that I'm stuck on this drivier version, I'm having 3d playback issues and seems I need to update to a later driver, hum, guess I'll keep the PS3 in action for 3d for Now.

Edited by tootal2 - 8/12/12 at 10:44pm
post #3360 of 4745
I'm running the 301.42 WHQL without seeing this issue but then again I might not be getting content with the 29/59 bug because I don't subscribe to HBO.
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