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post #3661 of 4758
How about ping latency for the modem?
post #3662 of 4758
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

How about ping latency for the modem?
So far so good. We sub to the 20 mbps plan.
post #3663 of 4758
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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

So far so good. We sub to the 20 mbps plan.

Be on the lookout for breakup on higher frequency TV channels. Your numbers are still fairly borderline.

xnappo
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Be on the lookout for breakup on higher frequency TV channels. Your numbers are still fairly borderline.
xnappo

I'll probably get the amp suggested on amazon. We are still getting some "weak signal" issues on some channels (speed, Disney, TLC, etc) and some odd breaking of the picture every now and then. Like, for less than a second, there is a line of small black squares in the middle of the picture. It happens on every channel that we've seen so far. I guess this is a signal issue.
post #3665 of 4758
I use to have weak signal problems. but after i replaced my old hard drive with a 3 tb drive the problem went a way and hasnt come back.

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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

I'll probably get the amp suggested on amazon. We are still getting some "weak signal" issues on some channels (speed, Disney, TLC, etc) and some odd breaking of the picture every now and then. Like, for less than a second, there is a line of small black squares in the middle of the picture. It happens on every channel that we've seen so far. I guess this is a signal issue.
post #3666 of 4758
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Originally Posted by tootal2 View Post

I use to have weak signal problems. but after i replaced my old hard drive with a 3 tb drive the problem went a way and hasnt come back.

Could it be that the problem was solved because the 3TB drive is faster, or maybe because (being new) it wasn't fragmented? I'd guess that one or both of these factors would make it easier for the new drive to keep up with the recording of the live TV buffer plus whatever else might be getting recorded in the background.
post #3667 of 4758
I have a question regarding the InfiniTV 4. I have it installed in a Win7 server that I built and was wondering if I have to assign all 4 tuners to the server if I am going to be using an Xbox 360, an HP X280N and a future Ceton Echo as extenders on my TV's? I do not have an HTPC.
post #3668 of 4758
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Originally Posted by Samaritano View Post

I have a question regarding the InfiniTV 4. I have it installed in a Win7 server that I built and was wondering if I have to assign all 4 tuners to the server if I am going to be using an Xbox 360, an HP X280N and a future Ceton Echo as extenders on my TV's? I do not have an HTPC.

If you are only using extenders, there is no need to use network tuners.
post #3669 of 4758
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Originally Posted by Samaritano View Post

I have a question regarding the InfiniTV 4. I have it installed in a Win7 server that I built and was wondering if I have to assign all 4 tuners to the server if I am going to be using an Xbox 360, an HP X280N and a future Ceton Echo as extenders on my TV's? I do not have an HTPC.

I would remove the tuner sharing altogether - no need to assing if you are using extenders (like Eric said). However, having that extra layer of unneeded complexity can potentially cause you problems.
post #3670 of 4758
Great. So in other words, I can un-assign the tuners from the Server and still be able to Record and watch TV from the Extenders.
post #3671 of 4758
You need the tuners assigned to some pc... the extenders basically run a special remote desktop into the pc. The extenders can view recorded content and live tv from the "host" pc... Since you mentioned a "server", I think many assumed you had another PC and network tuner sharing is so each pc can get tuners using one infinitv but with the ceton they are statically assigned to computers rather than in a pool. With copy protected content, the recording can only be viewed on the pc that made it or an extender.
post #3672 of 4758
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Originally Posted by Samaritano View Post

Great. So in other words, I can un-assign the tuners from the Server and still be able to Record and watch TV from the Extenders.

No, uninstall the sharing portion altogether so you do not need to do any assigning at all. I do not have network sharing installed since I am not sharing my tuners.
post #3673 of 4758
the HP X280N has a Extender mode, so you shouldnt have to share anything via shared tuners, just make sure your windows 7 is set up correctly with extenders via WMC Setup Wizard.
post #3674 of 4758
Since my signals are still poor on the iTV4 (and I'm still getting weak signal errors), is it standard practice for cable companies to install an amp free of charge?
If not, I'll front for the 1 port motorola amp.
post #3675 of 4758
Cable tech here. Your signal is low enough to cause the problems your having. Cable co's will guarantee signal to 4 outlets in a house, above 4 and requires an amp will result in a charge. Since you only have a 3 way, possibly split at the ceton outlet which would = 4, they should install one for free. But since your having this problem at only 3 outlets, it indicated a problem with the line to the house or the cable running to the ceton. Most like the tech will take the easy way out and just throw in a house amp and move on. If they want to charge, push for a rewire of the drop or outlet, tech will be more willing to give it for free to avoid the work involved.
post #3676 of 4758
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Originally Posted by G-- View Post

Cable tech here. Your signal is low enough to cause the problems your having. Cable co's will guarantee signal to 4 outlets in a house, above 4 and requires an amp will result in a charge. Since you only have a 3 way, possibly split at the ceton outlet which would = 4, they should install one for free. But since your having this problem at only 3 outlets, it indicated a problem with the line to the house or the cable running to the ceton. Most like the tech will take the easy way out and just throw in a house amp and move on. If they want to charge, push for a rewire of the drop or outlet, tech will be more willing to give it for free to avoid the work involved.

Thanks for the tips. One question though... is the iTV4 the same as a 4 way splitter? If so, that is the 3 way splitter going to kitchen and modem and the iTV4 run being split 4 ways. I always assumed that the reason cable doesn't up the number of tuners in their STB is so they do not have to worry too much about signal strength.
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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

Thanks for the tips. One question though... is the iTV4 the same as a 4 way splitter? If so, that is the 3 way splitter going to kitchen and modem and the iTV4 run being split 4 ways. I always assumed that the reason cable doesn't up the number of tuners in their STB is so they do not have to worry too much about signal strength.

Well in an STB they could possibly put in an internal amp. Anyway, from my measurements the Ceton does act as a 4 way splitter in term of signal loss.

You can possibly get the cable co to help you out, it will really depend on if you get a good tech or not. You can try that first, then go with the amp if they are of no help. Just remember to check back here before believing anything they say (no offense G--! I am sure you are one of the good ones!)

xnappo
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I'm having a problem I haven't been able to find any info on by searching the forums. I have been running my infinitv4 pcie in my server 2008 r2. I set up a network bridge and shared the tuners with my Win7 HTPC and everything was working perfectly. I was having problems with the server so decided on a clean install, and moved my infinitv4 to my HTPC temporarily while setting up the server. I reset the tuners, and was up and going again in no time, and while I was at it upgraded the firmware to 1182 and hardware to 6212.
Everything upgraded fine, the card works perfectly in my HTPC, but when I tried to move the card back into my server, the drivers hang upon installation. I've tried the stable and beta installers, both with no success. I've tried reinstalling server 2008r2, as well as server 2012, all with this same result, the installer hangs when installing the drivers. If I run the installer and then reboot with the card installed, the infinitv4 will show in the device manager with and exclamation, and I get an error code 31 "This device is not working properly because Windows cannot load the drivers required for this device. (Code 31)"
I know server installation is not officially supported, but I know it does work as I had it working earlier with no problems. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem is? Possibly the HW upgrade causing the problems? If so is it possible to downgrade the HW version?
Thanks
post #3679 of 4758
Ugh! I just got mine installed and I have the dreaded CCV no validation error. I guess that I will try to activate it through the online self activation through Comcast.
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Originally Posted by duanew View Post

Ugh! I just got mine installed and I have the dreaded CCV no validation error. I guess that I will try to activate it through the online self activation through Comcast.[/quote


I have had good luck with the Comcast online activation. As long as your account is setup correctly in their computers it should work correctly everytime.
post #3681 of 4758
Ok, I just saw this Article, while Ceton did start shipping the Echo today, but the Q looks to be on hold due to Windows 8 embedded and the lac of MCE. With any luck, this may move the PCI 6 tuner backup to a priority.


http://www.missingremote.com/news/2012-10-02/ceton-echo-slightly-delayed-release-ceton-q-indefinite-hold

http://www.missingremote.com/news/2012-10-11/ceton-echo-beta-begins
post #3682 of 4758
i can answer that question for them now:

Microsoft Windows 8 Does not Include Windows Media Center w/ the Retail or OEM License Purchase. Windows Media Center must be Purchased and Downloaded Separately.

How is it that I know that and they dont?, i guess it's because Im one of MS's higher ranking At home Beta testers (Windows, Zune, Xbox, Hardware)



So go back to using Windows Embedded 7 and call it a day and release the thing.

A lot of consumers dont like Windows 8 Anyway.



in other news, I've been getting emails all day (and yesterday) regarding the Echo.
post #3683 of 4758
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Originally Posted by SkateZilla View Post

i can answer that question for them now:
Microsoft Windows 8 Does not Include Windows Media Center w/ the Retail or OEM License Purchase. Windows Media Center must be Purchased and Downloaded Separately.
How is it that I know that and they dont?, i guess it's because Im one of MS's higher ranking At home Beta testers (Windows, Zune, Xbox, Hardware)
The problem / concern they expressed is that WMC won't be available for Windows 8 EMBEDDED - not even as an addon. Not sure why they can't just go with Windows 7 embedded, but my guess would be that they would prefer to go with the latest version of Windows to maximize the lifecycle of their product as support for and the ability to purchase licenses for Windows 7 embedded will go away at some point.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

The problem / concern they expressed is that WMC won't be available for Windows 8 EMBEDDED - not even as an addon. Not sure why they can't just go with Windows 7 embedded, but my guess would be that they would prefer to go with the latest version of Windows to maximize the lifecycle of their product as support for and the ability to purchase licenses for Windows 7 embedded will go away at some point.


The Q was tested with Win7 Emb, the Echo was tested with the Q running Win7 Emb, why worry about having the latest windows.... just continue to use Win7 Emb.


as for Echo,
I feel like $10 more and I can play games and DVDs as well as APPs for Netflix, Youtube and soon to be Email/Web Browsing with an Xbox 360. I can get a new 360 for as low as $130 now.

however in a house that doesnt need gaming (ie my parents), i can see 2 Echo's and a Windows 7 MC master PC/Laptop hidden away.

I was gonna build a HTPC for them and myself, but I think I'll just build a regular PC as the Prices of HTPC stuff has gone up. (remotes etc).

Build a PC with a normal Case, and Setup WMC and the USB InfinitV, Ziptie a 120mm Fan to it to cool it some. (as I've heard from a lot of users they get warm).

Hook it all up, stash the PC Case away w/ remote desktop. And put a Ceton Echo on both TVs, that way I dont have to buy remotes or anything for the PC itself, just use it as a Local Tuner/Storage server.

My only problem would be networking, as right now my house is wired up the yazoo with Routers for whatever reason, i think i have 3 of them now.

Modem to Router 1,
Router 1: Slots 1 and 2 goto Gaming PC's) Slot 3 to Xbox360, 4th Slot goes to Router 2,
Router 2: Slot 1 goes to Vonage Box and WiFi for Laptops.Slot 4 goes to Router 3
Router 3: which is older slower one, has 3 Printers hooked to it via Cat5e and shared with all devices on Routers 1 and 2 via port forwarding.

So I’d have to hook the server PC to Router 2 Slot 2 for internet, and have Echos Hooked to Slots 3 and 4. Move Vonage to Router 1, and Move Xbox 360 to my PC's hardware ICS (my PC has Dual LAN)

Then the Xbox 360 wont be able to see the server unless I configure and force a port forward which would cut it off from the gaming PC’s which it also shares media from those.

Im not sure but I think in Windows 7 I can configure everything on the same HomeGroup and the devices (PCs and Xbox360s’) should all see each other despite being behind separate DHCP Servers on the local network.

I’ll have to setup a Laptop to serve media on router 2 and see if I can access it on Router 1 PCs and Xbox360’s.

ok I’ll stop rambling now.
Edited by SkateZilla - 10/11/12 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by SkateZilla View Post

A lot of consumers dont like Windows 8 Anyway.

How many consumers have used Windows 8 and say they do not like it?
post #3686 of 4758
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Originally Posted by Paw Paw View Post

I have had good luck with the Comcast online activation. As long as your account is setup correctly in their computers it should work correctly everytime.

The online was a bust. It said that they had a problem connecting to their own system. Go figure?

I called the number again and they even mentioned the Ceton card this time. I saw the video freeze as she sent the new validation signals this time but I still have the ccv error. What should I do now?



EDIT UPDATE AFTER SOME THOUGHTS:

It looks like I get all of the same channels that I did before with my cable box, but I still have the error. I saw this on another site (post 278 and 279):

http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23854#p23854

It says that the cable company does not require the card to be paired and that everything is fine. Is this correct?
post #3687 of 4758
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Originally Posted by SkateZilla View Post

The Q was tested with Win7 Emb, the Echo was tested with the Q running Win7 Emb, why worry about having the latest windows.... just continue to use Win7 Emb.
as for Echo,
Windows 7 embedded won't be available for Ceton to purchase indefinitely and given the timing of the Windows 8 release, it only makes sense to go that route if at all possible. Who knows, maybe they will fall back to Windows 7. The other twist on all of this is that IF Media Center goes away either from Windows entirely or just the embedded versions, Ceton has got to have a backup plan in place so they aren't stuck with a product they can't sell. So it most definitely behooves them to give this a lot of thought rather than just shipping something quickly.
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I feel like $10 more and I can play games and DVDs as well as APPs for Netflix, Youtube and soon to be Email/Web Browsing with an Xbox 360. I can get a new 360 for as low as $130 now.
however in a house that doesnt need gaming (ie my parents), i can see 2 Echo's and a Windows 7 MC master PC/Laptop hidden away.
The Echo will be silent and draw only 5 watts of power. Even the XBOX 360 Slims are anything but silent and draws a lot more than 5 watts while turned on.
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My only problem would be networking, as right now my house is wired up the yazoo with Routers for whatever reason, i think i have 3 of them now.
Modem to Router 1,
Router 1: Slots 1 and 2 goto Gaming PC's) Slot 3 to Xbox360, 4th Slot goes to Router 2,
Router 2: Slot 1 goes to Vonage Box and WiFi for Laptops.Slot 4 goes to Router 3
Router 3: which is older slower one, has 3 Printers hooked to it via Cat5e and shared with all devices on Routers 1 and 2 via port forwarding.
So I’d have to hook the server PC to Router 2 Slot 2 for internet, and have Echos Hooked to Slots 3 and 4. Move Vonage to Router 1, and Move Xbox 360 to my PC's hardware ICS (my PC has Dual LAN)
Then the Xbox 360 wont be able to see the server unless I configure and force a port forward which would cut it off from the gaming PC’s which it also shares media from those.
Im not sure but I think in Windows 7 I can configure everything on the same HomeGroup and the devices (PCs and Xbox360s’) should all see each other despite being behind separate DHCP Servers on the local network.
I’ll have to setup a Laptop to serve media on router 2 and see if I can access it on Router 1 PCs and Xbox360’s.
ok I’ll stop rambling now.
eek.gif Why on earth are you using 3 routers? Why not replace routers 2 & 3 with switches? That would simplify your network setup significantly.
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switches wont work for the setup I have, tried already.
post #3689 of 4758
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Originally Posted by SkateZilla View Post

switches wont work for the setup I have, tried already.
huh? why not?

CFC
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Originally Posted by ProAm500 View Post


Just wanted to give a final update on this issue that I have had since the fall in hopes that maybe it can shed some light on issues you other guys might be having...that erkotz has confirmed and thanks to him for a clear answer. I had problems viewing and recording what are determined clearqam channels on my lineup (nbc, abc, fox, pbs, cbs, etc.). I thought it was an issue with the ceton itself so I bought an HD Homerun to sort of "offload" those channels from the ceton and use the HD Homerun. NO luck as I still had issues with those channels. As a test, I hooked it up to my desktop and setup media center on a relatively new install of W7. HAD THE SAME EXACT ISSUE. So erkotz looked at my captures and notes from the tickets that I provided to ceton over the 6 or 7 months that I have been working with Ceton and provided an answer. I'll provide quotes from another thread on another board......


He basically said that people in areas of Upstate NY where I am (Utica, Binghamton, Albany, possibly Syracuse) were victims of "TV station putting out illegal MPEG, which is in turn blowing up ehrecvr". To further elaborate, he said "By illegal MPEG, I mean MPEG that does not conform to the spec - specifically, we were seeing conditions that never should happen according to the specification." he went on to say, "Also, this issue is not limited to the InfiniTV, I have reproduced it with competing OCUR devices, and believe it would affect ClearQAM tuners (and possibly ATSC) which you seem to have experienced.

Microsoft does have an in-house repro, but this sort of investigation moves slowly. To be honest, we just need to wait at this point."



So basically its an issue that I'll jsut have to deal with as there is no answer to fix them at this point. Just wanted to provide this info for those that are in Upstate TW markets as some issues you might be having are due to the stream provided by the provider. Again thanks to erkotz for clear answer



also to add, i havent tried OTA just clearqam through straight cable and those on my cablecard lineup....also, maybe someone can elaborate on how tv stations or cable providers can get away with transmitting out or spec mpeg signals...

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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post


The FCC is an interesting route that I hadn't considered, however, we would need transport stream captures from the customers in those markets showing that it happens on the OTA variants of the stations (which I'm not certain it does).

In this case, it has to do with SI information and not the video itself.


Also, FYI, Ceton has already provided Business Justification to Microsoft to request that this be fixed. We also have asked both Hauppauge and SiliconDust to join Ceton and offer their own Business Justification to Microsoft to try and get this fixed, and both confirmed that they were able to reproduce the issue, but so far neither has come through with sending a Business Justification to Microsoft.

Feel free to pressure them if you are experiencing this

OK just to put a bow on an issue that I have been dealing with for over a year.....To keep an extremely long story short, for over a year I have been having issues recording clearqam channels through my cablecard and hd Homerun. I sent numerous captures to Ceton over a 7 or 8 month period with the final outcome being that Time Warner in my are of upstate NY was putting out "out of spec" mpeg which media center couldnt handle (details are int he quotes above). I havent heard anything about the issue until last night when I got an email from a Ceton Engineer that stated MS has put out a hotfix that will fix the issue. I have done a few tests today and I can happily say that the issues so far been fixed! I have done recordings on of HD broadcasts on the clearqam while watching another channel and everything is working as it should. The real test will come this weekend with college and NFL football and lots of sunday night and evening recording. I'll check back if there are any issues but I have to give a big thanks to Ceton (and I suppose "other" OCUR that had input as well;)) and erickotz for being diligent and active and getting this fixed by MS. For anyone else that had similar issues as I did here is the link to the article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2746119
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