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post #3781 of 4574
10/27/12 at 5:45am
I received the email from CETON saying that there will be no network tuners for Windows 8.

This really stinks because I use network tuners and had planned to upgrade to Windows 8.

I wish that someone from CETON would explain why this is so.

Here is my theory: Microsoft is moving away from WMC. MS sees the future of content delivery to be IP based, preferably through its own apps store. It sees itself competing with the cable companies. Thus, no version of Windows 8 has native WMC. Unfortunately, CETON relies completely on WMC. The writing on the wall seems to be that cablecards on the PC will not be supported for much longer. How long before MS stops updating the channel guide? Then we will all be screwed.
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post #3782 of 4574
10/27/12 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

If you have 4 PC's, 3 PC's and 1 extender, 1 PC and 3 extenders, or just want to record 4 things at the same time, that extra tuner on the Ceton is very real biggrin.gif. But I'd say there's no question that SiliconDust is probably the better option if sharing tuners with PC's is the highest priority.

I hear what you are saying, but for most people I bet this is the fallacy of the extra turner on the Ceton. This situation is only a real concern if all four instances are simultaneously trying to watch live TV.
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post #3783 of 4574
10/27/12 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by Cheatdeath View Post

100% agree. Unless the feature is available Ceton products are worthless to me, amazing explanations and reasons will not keep me as a customer in the future.

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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

I received the email from CETON saying that there will be no network tuners for Windows 8.
This really stinks because I use network tuners and had planned to upgrade to Windows 8.
What's so compelling about Win 8 that makes you want it so badly? It adds zero WMC functionality and ruins everything else about the OS. You're seriously are willing to give up network tuners for some stupid colored blocks and an OS dumbed down to the point that it's useless to everyone except children and monkeys? Have you actually tried Win 8? Live with it for a week and you'll change your mind.
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post #3784 of 4574
10/27/12 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by tcs2tx View Post

I hear what you are saying, but for most people I bet this is the fallacy of the extra turner on the Ceton. This situation is only a real concern if all four instances are simultaneously trying to watch live TV.
(mostly rhetorical question) Do most people only watch LiveTV, do most people record stuff and watch it later, or do most people fall somewhere in the middle?

I fall primarily into the 2nd category (and watch a few things like hockey games (well, maybe not this year frown.gif) slightly time delayed so I can skip commercials), so it's not at all uncommon for >4 tuners (i have 8 tuners available via 2 InfiniTV 4's) to be going at a time (especially when factoring the overlap at the end of a show / start of another show) during the prime time hours on week days during the regular TV season. I watch stuff as I get have time available, prioritizing things that are somewhat time sensitive (like there's no point watching a sporting event 6 months after the fact) or the shows that I like the most. This usually leaves me with a decent amount of stuff to watch over the summer when there's not much good stuff on TV. It would be interesting to see what the actual mix of usage patterns is, but I doubt I'm the only one who does this. But like I said, I definitely understand why network tuner sharing is important to those who use it even if it isn't something I care about for my own use and am just as curious as the next guy to know what changed in Windows 8 that is apparently forcing Ceton to drop the feature.

The bottom line is that if one needs more than 3, or 4, tuners, it's simple enough to purchase a 2nd, or third..., tuner device to add the required number of tuners. Each person needs to figure out how many tuners are needed for their particular situation, decide if network tuner sharing is needed, and then decide which product best fits their needs. If network tuner sharing is required and there's a desire to use Windows 8, then the choice of tuner manufacturer seems pretty obvious now.
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post #3785 of 4574
10/27/12 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

(mostly rhetorical question) Do most people only watch LiveTV, do most people record stuff and watch it later, or do most people fall somewhere in the middle?
I fall primarily into the 2nd category (and watch a few things like hockey games (well, maybe not this year frown.gif) slightly time delayed so I can skip commercials), so it's not at all uncommon for >4 tuners (i have 8 tuners available via 2 InfiniTV 4's) to be going at a time (especially when factoring the overlap at the end of a show / start of another show) during the prime time hours on week days during the regular TV season. I watch stuff as I get have time available, prioritizing things that are somewhat time sensitive (like there's no point watching a sporting event 6 months after the fact) or the shows that I like the most. This usually leaves me with a decent amount of stuff to watch over the summer when there's not much good stuff on TV. It would be interesting to see what the actual mix of usage patterns is, but I doubt I'm the only one who does this. But like I said, I definitely understand why network tuner sharing is important to those who use it even if it isn't something I care about for my own use and am just as curious as the next guy to know what changed in Windows 8 that is apparently forcing Ceton to drop the feature.
The bottom line is that if one needs more than 3, or 4, tuners, it's simple enough to purchase a 2nd, or third..., tuner device to add the required number of tuners. Each person needs to figure out how many tuners are needed for their particular situation, decide if network tuner sharing is needed, and then decide which product best fits their needs. If network tuner sharing is required and there's a desire to use Windows 8, then the choice of tuner manufacturer seems pretty obvious now.

I personally mostly only watch recorded TV, and most of my recording happens during prime time. I still get recording conflicts, even with a 6-tuner InfiniTV
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post #3786 of 4574
10/27/12 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

I personally mostly only watch recorded TV, and most of my recording happens during prime time. I still get recording conflicts, even with a 6-tuner InfiniTV


You are a Ceton Manager and this is the response you give after all the recent posts about network tuning.....wtf?
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post #3787 of 4574
10/27/12 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by tcs2tx View Post

I hear what you are saying, but for most people I bet this is the fallacy of the extra turner on the Ceton. This situation is only a real concern if all four instances are simultaneously trying to watch live TV.
I've got one primary HTPC and two other HTPCs. I have two InfiniTV4's and a pair of Hauppauge 2250 ATSC tuners installed in the primary PC. I've also got a dual ATSC tuner HDHomeRun plus a 3-tuner HDHomeRun Prime. Both HDHRs are shared between the three PCs, but are mostly used by the two secondary HTPCs for live TV viewing. The main HTPC does all of the recording chores. I prefer the HDHR for shared tuners for the simple fact that the main PC containing the InfiniTV4's can go down at any time, effectively taking the other TVs with it. With the HDHRs, the main PC can go down without affecting the others. I've never used tuner sharing with the InfiniTV4 for this very reason.
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post #3788 of 4574
10/28/12 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by Cheatdeath View Post

You are a Ceton Manager and this is the response you give after all the recent posts about network tuning.....wtf?

He was replying to gsr's question of "Do most people only watch LiveTV, do most people record stuff and watch it later, or do most people fall somewhere in the middle?"
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post #3789 of 4574
10/29/12 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by Cheatdeath View Post

You are a Ceton Manager and this is the response you give after all the recent posts about network tuning.....wtf?

Eric does not have to post here at all if he doesn't want to. Please respect that he does not comment on everything. I have seen MANY company representatives leave AVS due to abuse.

xnappo
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post #3790 of 4574
10/29/12 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

I've got one primary HTPC and two other HTPCs. I have two InfiniTV4's and a pair of Hauppauge 2250 ATSC tuners installed in the primary PC. I've also got a dual ATSC tuner HDHomeRun plus a 3-tuner HDHomeRun Prime. Both HDHRs are shared between the three PCs, but are mostly used by the two secondary HTPCs for live TV viewing. The main HTPC does all of the recording chores. I prefer the HDHR for shared tuners for the simple fact that the main PC containing the InfiniTV4's can go down at any time, effectively taking the other TVs with it. With the HDHRs, the main PC can go down without affecting the others. I've never used tuner sharing with the InfiniTV4 for this very reason.

You must really like TV.
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post #3791 of 4574
10/29/12 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by ChiliBean View Post

It was updating fine until 1.2.1.1 and they said to RMA it too after submitting a ticket with the collected info file but really need it and trying to find a way to fix this without having to RMA it. It works fine just will not update too 1.2.1.1.

I'm having the same issue. I hope I don't have to RMA mine. Like you, I had no issues doing previous upgrades and recently installed the new software client and tried to install the latest beta firmware per Tech Support's recommendation.

The issue I've been having is that NFL Network on Verizon FIOS is slow to tune when coming out of sleep. It says that there's no programming or something like that. After 10 minutes or so, it'll start working.
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post #3792 of 4574
10/29/12 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Andy_Steb View Post

You must really like TV.
Isn't that sort of the point of this stuff? We all have our own uses and priorities for this stuff.

I've got a somewhat similar setup as he does. I have two InfiniTV4's in the primary PC. In the 2nd PC, I have a Hauppauge 2250 ATSC tuner and a pair of AverMedia Duet dual ATSC tuners that are used with BeyondTV basically as a backup to WMC in case bad guide data results in a missing recording or if something just goes wrong with a recording. I also have a pair of dual ATSC tuner HDHomeRun's on the network that can be used by BeyondTV or a few other PC's in the house as needed. If Ceton ever releases the InfiniTV 6 card, I'll consider replacing the 2 InfiniTV 4's with them. Both of these PC's are in Norco rack mount cases that can handle 16 or 20 hard drives (plus the OS drive) and each have LSI SATA controllers that can handle 16 of those drives. This gives me plenty of space to store music, movies, etc. And no, I don't have either case fully populated with hard drives yet.
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post #3793 of 4574
10/30/12 at 3:38am
So I "upgraded" to W8 and aside from losing network tuners, which is a feature I used at least, I can't seem to get comedy central any longer. I think my other channels are working, but haven't verified them one by one. Any ideas what the issue might be? I'm on TWC. I also have an hauppauge, does anyone know if I can bridge those? The netflix app crashed too, but that's another thread.
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post #3794 of 4574
10/30/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by go45cvi View Post

So I "upgraded" to W8 and aside from losing network tuners, which is a feature I used at least, I can't seem to get comedy central any longer. I think my other channels are working, but haven't verified them one by one. Any ideas what the issue might be? I'm on TWC. I also have an hauppauge, does anyone know if I can bridge those? The netflix app crashed too, but that's another thread.

Can you provide some feed back on the network tuners? Can you manually create the network bridge by going in to my network connections? Highlight both your NiC and the Tuner, right click and bridge connection, more info can be found here to do a manual bridge http://www.missingremote.com/guide/ceton-infinitv-network-tuner-wizard-access-infinitv-tuners-multiple-pcs, I guess a lot of us are curious to know what the actual problem may be, If you can host on say a win 7 or other OS, with access to the tuner on Win 8 Client PC's, that may work for a lot of folks, I have my card in a WHS 2011 box so if I can access the card from a win 8 PC, that would be fantastic for me, but if the problem is on the client end, then yeah, that's a bummer.

I've been holding off updating my old office vista machine waiting for the 6 tuner ceton to be released, but now I'm in a pickle, no 6 tuners, and Win 8 is not working with network tuners, As captain Video mentioned, I've been looking at the HDHR Prime as my secondary tuner , it would provide some redundancy if my server where to ever crash (hosting ceton in WHS) or if I simply need to do some maintenance and take the server down for a few hours, the HDHR would still allow TV viewing. Hum, but guess it looks like I'm going to cough up $7 a month to comcrap.

I'll hold off for a little while longer, maybe ceton will come up with a solution. I requested My Free key for MCE yesterday, I've yet to even purchase the win 8 pro upgrade, I my still elect to go with win 7.
Edited by dbailey75 - 10/30/12 at 10:30am
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post #3795 of 4574
10/30/12 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post


I'll hold off for a little while longer, maybe ceton will come up with a solution. I requested My Free key for MCE yesterday, I've yet to even purchase the win 8 pro upgrade, I my still elect to go with win 7.

I definitely think a Ceton+HDHR prime is a nice combo - actually preferable to a 6-tuner card to me. I was *just* about to pull the trigger on an HDHR dual when the FCC foiled my plans.

xnappo
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post #3796 of 4574
10/30/12 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I definitely think a Ceton+HDHR prime is a nice combo - actually preferable to a 6-tuner card to me. I was *just* about to pull the trigger on an HDHR dual when the FCC foiled my plans.
xnappo

Your referring to the encryption of all cable based content? So you have to have a STB to even view basic channels.
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post #3797 of 4574
10/30/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

Your referring to the encryption of all cable based content? So you have to have a STB to even view basic channels.

Well - or a cable card. The HDHR dual is clear QAM only.

xnappo
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post #3798 of 4574
10/30/12 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

Can you provide some feed back on the network tuners? Can you manually create the network bridge by going in to my network connections? Highlight both your NiC and the Tuner, right click and bridge connection, more info can be found here to do a manual bridge http://www.missingremote.com/guide/ceton-infinitv-network-tuner-wizard-access-infinitv-tuners-multiple-pcs, I guess a lot of us are curious to know what the actual problem may be, If you can host on say a win 7 or other OS, with access to the tuner on Win 8 Client PC's, that may work for a lot of folks, I have my card in a WHS 2011 box so if I can access the card from a win 8 PC, that would be fantastic for me, but if the problem is on the client end, then yeah, that's a bummer.

Looking quick, I can enable bridging for the ceton in device manager. I'm probably not going to be able to try that method till this weekend though. I'll let you know, thanks for the link. Also, I assume this method would not work for the hauppauge, it doesn't seem to have a brdige property. I agree it is a bummer. I was hoping MS would fix embedded displayport for play ready as well, but doubt it. At least Comedy Central is back on today, I guess the storm was to blame.
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post #3799 of 4574
11/1/12 at 5:32pm
I'm planning on getting a infintv4 and was wondering what motherboard works well with the card and what performance/compatibility issues should I look out for.
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post #3800 of 4574
11/1/12 at 8:03pm
Bottom line: CableCards aren't *free*. They are cheaper than a set-top box, but they aren't free. Comcast charges me more than most of the prices I see on this site, too... Unlucky me, I guess.

Ceton's device tunes 4 channels for the price of only one card. It is the best option, bang - for - your - buck.

If you want to record to multiple PC's while NOT paying for a second card, then there is an alternative out there. For me? I'm perfectly happy having one MEGA-PC that controls everything, and accessing it on 4 different TV's via the use of Extenders, other Windows laptops, and iPads/iPhones via remote potato. I can't speak for everyone, but I do put all 4 tuners to use at times.

Perhaps I'm ignorant on the matter, but on the rare occassion that streaming/accessing my media isn't enough, and I've wanted to have the physical file somewhere other than my HTPC, I've never had a problem moving it... I just don't see what the big deal is.
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post #3801 of 4574
11/2/12 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by psuKinger View Post

Bottom line: CableCards aren't *free*. They are cheaper than a set-top box, but they aren't free. Comcast charges me more than most of the prices I see on this site, too... Unlucky me, I guess.

Yes, I think you might be unlucky, The first card should be free, not only that, Comcast provides a monthly credit of 2.50 for using my own equipment. So your right, it's not free, I get paid to have a cable card. biggrin.gif
Edited by dbailey75 - 11/2/12 at 12:29pm
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post #3802 of 4574
11/2/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by layziethug View Post

I'm planning on getting a infintv4 and was wondering what motherboard works well with the card and what performance/compatibility issues should I look out for.

I'm running my tuner on an Asus P9H67-i motherboard, but i'm just hosting the tuner in my whs 2011 box, my client PC's are few years old, so no reason to list those spec's. If your close to a microcenter, they have a good deal where you buy a specific processor and motherboard, they give you a combo discount of $40, and their CPU's for some reason are always cheaper than new newegg, no idea how they do it.

i.e.
This board http://www.microcenter.com/product/392369/GA-H61N-USB3_LGA_1155_H61_Mini_ITX_Intel_Motherboard
and this processor http://www.microcenter.com/product/398006/Core_i3_3225_33GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_Processor
Comes out to be $80+120-40=$160

or this board
http://www.microcenter.com/product/392374/H77M-ITX_LGA1155_H77_mini_ITX_Intel_Motherboard
or with this board 95+120-40=$175.

That's not too bad.

Also, be sure to google the 29/59 frame rate bug if your new to this stuff.
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post #3803 of 4574
11/2/12 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

The first card should be free, not only that, Comcast provides a monthly credit of 2.50 for using my own equipment. So your right, it's not free, I get paid to have a cable card. biggrin.gif
Me too. Comcast gives me a free CableCard and a small credit for providing my own equipment. I also have two free DTAs and a free SD STB, but I don't use them much.

-Dave
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post #3804 of 4574
11/2/12 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

I'm running my tuner on an Asus P9H67-i motherboard, but i'm just hosting the tuner in my whs 2011 box, my client PC's are few years old, so no reason to list those spec's. If your close to a microcenter, they have a good deal where you buy a specific processor and motherboard, they give you a combo discount of $40, and their CPU's for some reason are always cheaper than new newegg, no idea how they do it.
i.e.
This board http://www.microcenter.com/product/392369/GA-H61N-USB3_LGA_1155_H61_Mini_ITX_Intel_Motherboard
and this processor http://www.microcenter.com/product/398006/Core_i3_3225_33GHz_LGA_1155_Boxed_Processor
Comes out to be $80+120-40=$160
or this board
http://www.microcenter.com/product/392374/H77M-ITX_LGA1155_H77_mini_ITX_Intel_Motherboard
or with this board 95+120-40=$175.
That's not too bad.
Also, be sure to google the 29/59 frame rate bug if your new to this stuff.

Thanks for the suggestions.

I've seen the frame rate bug but didn't look into it extensively. I read new updated drivers fix this bug...
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post #3805 of 4574
11/2/12 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

Can you provide some feed back on the network tuners? Can you manually create the network bridge by going in to my network connections? Highlight both your NiC and the Tuner, right click and bridge connection, more info can be found here to do a manual bridge http://www.missingremote.com/guide/ceton-infinitv-network-tuner-wizard-access-infinitv-tuners-multiple-pcs, I guess a lot of us are curious to know what the actual problem may be, If you can host on say a win 7 or other OS, with access to the tuner on Win 8 Client PC's, that may work for a lot of folks, I have my card in a WHS 2011 box so if I can access the card from a win 8 PC, that would be fantastic for me, but if the problem is on the client end, then yeah, that's a bummer.

Looks like that utility is no longer available, apparently it causes it issues. Guess, I will try dual boot 7-8.
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post #3806 of 4574
11/5/12 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Cheatdeath View Post

"The InfiniTV network tuner bridging feature will not be available in Windows 8."
This is just terrible.... I really hope this is not by choice of Ceton because of their new extenders. This will cause me to stop using Ceton products.
Please Ceton figure this out Asap.

Lame reason to stop using ceton products.

It is not their fault that bridging doesn't work in Windows 8. Microsoft is locking down many features of the OS, so they can compete with other popular OS'es that are "idiot proof". So, they can't bridge the network card with the ceton because it deals with the TCP/IP stack.

You do know that windows 8 will have an extra charge to get WMC as an addon, plus it will offer no new features to WMC7.

Windows 8 is to 7, like Vista was to XP and ME was to 98. So, do you get why we aren't excited about Windows 8?

Feel free to get it though, you will go through the issues that early adopters of Vista went through (and to this day even with service packs- is still buggy/annoying/counter intuitive).

If windows 8 offered the ability to be an extender client, I would set up my own box for that, but so far only the Ceton Echo, Xbox 360, and some obscure products can do this.
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post #3807 of 4574
11/5/12 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by go45cvi View Post

Looks like that utility is no longer available, apparently it causes it issues. Guess, I will try dual boot 7-8.

Thanks for the follow up, I decided against win 8 on my non htpc machines, was only looking to upgrade, becuase $80 to upgrade two Vista machines was a really good deal, but instead, I just went ahead and purchased a win 7 family upgrade pack. and I can keep using my Office 2003 for a few more years. Its amazing how much faster Win 7 is over Vista, my old Q8200 feels like a brand new PC.

The echo is set to be relased at the end of the month, newegg is already taking preorders. lets see what happens.
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11/5/12 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by robnitro View Post

Microsoft is locking down many features of the OS, so they can compete with other popular OS'es that are "idiot proof". So, they can't bridge the network card with the ceton because it deals with the TCP/IP stack.
You do know that windows 8 will have an extra charge to get WMC as an addon
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thanks for the addtional info on the bridging, so there might still be a way to connect win 8 client machines to a win 7 host, . You can get the MCE add on now for free, I've already got my keycode, but I don't need at the moment, maybe I can keep it for later, was looking to get my wife one of those ultra books with the convertible screens.
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post #3809 of 4574
11/5/12 at 6:10pm
Has anyone noticed an issue with the Guide data for the 8:00 lineup tonite? The wife just asked why "90210", "How I met your mother", 2 Broke Girls and "Partners" didn't record and they all show as repeats. They are new episodes according to Fios guide. Anybody else seeing this?
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post #3810 of 4574
11/5/12 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Has anyone noticed an issue with the Guide data for the 8:00 lineup tonite? The wife just asked why "90210", "How I met your mother", 2 Broke Girls and "Partners" didn't record and they all show as repeats. They are new episodes according to Fios guide. Anybody else seeing this?

yep same here, on two broke girls, I remember last weeks was a rerun but it recorded, but the show synopsis for this week was the same as last week, so yeah, the guide data is off.

But I'd like to point on, this is the wifes show, I just make sure its recorded. wink.gif
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