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post #391 of 4509
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Originally Posted by jojoxl View Post
If you do an in-place upgrade from Win 7 to Win 8, you shouldn't lose anything. I believe that's the way it worked from Vista to 7. I agree the whole DRM thing is stupid.
I think I'd rather lose recordings than take my chances with an in-place upgrade. Of course, it really isn't much of an issue for those of us who don't have many copy once channels .
post #392 of 4509
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Originally Posted by gsr
Motherboard = Asus P6T7 WS Supercomputer
OS = Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit

The video card is largely irrelevant in my case as long as it satisfies the HDCP requirements as I'm not actually watching anything on that PC - I use XBOX extenders. But I'm currently using an ATI 5670, I believe.

That's really no different than going to another room and using an XBOX 360 as an extender to continue watching the show. You just can't use another PC to watch protected content. Before worrying about it, see if you can find out if your cable system uses the copy once flag on anything other than premium channels - if they don't then there's nothing to really worry about.

Network sharing allows you to farm out tuners to other PC's so you can either watch live TV or record shows on the other PC's. But protected shows recorded on those other PC's would have the same restrictions - you would only be able to watch a show that was recorded by PC #X on PC #X regardless of where the tuner card is physically installed. I'm not using this feature of the Ceton, but rather have XBOX's in locations where I want to watch TV. This allows me to have all my recordings centralized and can watch them where ever I want to.

That may be - my intent wasn't really to cover all cases, but to point out to people that certain actions will result in the inability to watch protected content.
GSR, thanks very much for your help.
post #393 of 4509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jojoxl View Post
If you do an in-place upgrade from Win 7 to Win 8, you shouldn't lose anything. I believe that's the way it worked from Vista to 7. I agree the whole DRM thing is stupid.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post
I think I'd rather lose recordings than take my chances with an in-place upgrade.
Same here and I am really prefer not to do such upgrade unless there are some serioulsy good recordings I can lose
post #394 of 4509
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Originally Posted by Babbitt 1080P View Post
How stable are these tuners? I want to get rid of the cable box but dont need to constantly update and mess with these. My HTPC is about as stable as its going to get and the family can use ti without too much trouble. Is that going to change if I lose the cable box and replace with this?
I am one of the early adopters and I am coming up on 1 year anniversary with Ceton. It has been rock solid. Of course, my previous set up with ATI DCT's was rock solid as well.

My inexpensive $400 HTPC (AMD Athlon II X3 435 Rana, AMD/ATI 785G mobo, 750 Gb PATA!!! hard drive, DVD-ROM, 8Gb DDR2!!! RAM, 1X Ceton + 4x Mygica ClearQAM tuners all in Moneual Y601B case) is always on, does the updates at night, and sometimes reboots on its own after updates. The only reason I know it rebooted is because extenders would say they need to be reconnected in the morning.

I have 2x Linksys DMA 2200 and 1X Linksys DMA 2100 extenders in the bedrooms, and HTPC in the livingroom all connected to a full duplex gigabit network. I just purchased HP X280N for a planned TV in the Family room.

The 6Tb server is also on the same network, but in the basement where it is cooler, which is where the digital collection is stored and acessed.

Added HULU, youtube, classic TV, NASA TV, and a few other integrations.

I just started running MCEBuddy to convert recordings to H264 and store on the server to save space and to get rid of the commercials.

System is rock solid, although I did have to modify the entertainment center by cutting a 5" hole in the back and mounting a 120 mm fan in it to draw the warm air out of the entertinament center. Before I did that I would get an occasional BSD due to overheating in the summer.
post #395 of 4509
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Originally Posted by blueiedgod View Post
I am one of the early adopters and I am coming up on 1 year anniversary with Ceton. It has been rock solid. Of course, my previous set up with ATI DCT's was rock solid as well.

My inexpensive $400 HTPC (AMD Athlon II X3 435 Rana, AMD/ATI 785G mobo, 750 Gb PATA!!! hard drive, DVD-ROM, 8Gb DDR2!!! RAM, 1X Ceton + 4x Mygica ClearQAM tuners all in Moneual Y601B case) is always on, does the updates at night, and sometimes reboots on its own after updates. The only reason I know it rebooted is because extenders would say they need to be reconnected in the morning.

I have 2x Linksys DMA 2200 and 1X Linksys DMA 2100 extenders in the bedrooms, and HTPC in the livingroom all connected to a full duplex gigabit network. I just purchased HP X280N for a planned TV in the Family room.

The 6Tb server is also on the same network, but in the basement where it is cooler, which is where the digital collection is stored and acessed.

Added HULU, youtube, classic TV, NASA TV, and a few other integrations.

I just started running MCEBuddy to convert recordings to H264 and store on the server to save space and to get rid of the commercials.

System is rock solid, although I did have to modify the entertainment center by cutting a 5" hole in the back and mounting a 120 mm fan in it to draw the warm air out of the entertinament center. Before I did that I would get an occasional BSD due to overheating in the summer.
How well does MCEBuddy work? Somewhat interested in this...
post #396 of 4509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ngsm13 View Post
How well does MCEBuddy work? Somewhat interested in this...
Same here, do you mind share with us your experience with this app?

I assume it will remove ad and it looks like it will convert to other formats in order to watch the recirdings on the phone and tablets, right? Any problem with the protect materials? Do you need to do that manually for each recording or is there a way to batch do it once a day?
post #397 of 4509
I was lucky enough to find out that my provider does not copy protect DVR recordings, which is quite nice!
post #398 of 4509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ngsm13 View Post
I was lucky enough to find out that my provider does not copy protect DVR recordings, which is quite nice!
Can I VPN and share your tuners
post #399 of 4509
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post
Can I VPN and share your tuners
Hahaha, once I get them working correctly.



















No. lol.
post #400 of 4509
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Originally Posted by blueiedgod View Post
My inexpensive $400 HTPC (AMD Athlon II X3 435 Rana, AMD/ATI 785G mobo, 750 Gb PATA!!! hard drive, DVD-ROM, 8Gb DDR2!!! RAM, 1X Ceton + 4x Mygica ClearQAM tuners all in Moneual Y601B case) is always on...
The Ceton alone was about $400, how did you get all that other stuff for free?
post #401 of 4509
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

gsr,

I hear you. On the other hand, I really wish we can keep the recordings somehow and it should be easily enough to proof that such as Win7 activation key...

Let's count on it, about a year from now when W8 released, I bet we will most likely lose all the recordings at that time unless there are some developments between now and then

I was scanning the posts just now....
Wait a minute, rewind here.
First, I still have not got my card running yet.... but before I spend any more of my time trying to get this thing going, talking to tech support, posting here, etc.
Are you saying that you cannot save/edit (do whatever I want with) the shows you record?
If I don't have total control over everything I record then I have no desire to even have this thing....
post #402 of 4509
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lordhutt View Post

Are you saying that you cannot save/edit (do whatever I want with) the shows you record?

Can you elaborate what do you mean by "save/edit (do whatever I want with)"?
post #403 of 4509
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

Can you elaborate what do you mean by "save/edit (do whatever I want with)"?

Take a show... edit out commercials. Convert to any format I like. Watch on any computer or media player. (BTW: what format are these saved in?)

There has to be a way to do this as just about every popular tv show (HD with commercials edited out) can be downloaded through usenet.
post #404 of 4509
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Originally Posted by lordhutt View Post

Take a show... edit out commercials. Convert to any format I like. Watch on any computer or media player. (BTW: what format are these saved in?)

There has to be a way to do this as just about every popular tv show (HD with commercials edited out) can be downloaded through usenet.

I personally have not edit any recordings just yet but based on all the posts I read, it is doable.

However, we were talking about the show with the "Copy Protected" flag and those are not able to watch other than recorded PC and I was afraid for the future that when we upgrade from W7 to W8 and we might lose all the recordings if we do a clean Windows installation at that time.
post #405 of 4509
Copy Freely: Save,move, play, edit w/ anything that supports the file format.
Copy Once: Save, move, play only w/ machine that made recording or it's extenders.
Copy Prohibited: Live play on machine using the tuner or its extenders.

How things are flagged depends on your provider and area, for me everything is copy freely including premium channels(I haven't tried buying any PPVs), some providers have only clearQAM channels(normally what's available OTA) copy freely, other are in between.
post #406 of 4509
Well, if ever get it running I'll let ya know!!!
Ceton...based on my diagnostic logs I've been sending seems to think I have a bad cable card. Calling to get a replacement.

>>>>new card coming tomorrow!
post #407 of 4509
Thread Starter 
post #408 of 4509
Hopefully this device will be done a lot better than the HD-PVR at launch - lots of hardware issues with those in first revs.
post #409 of 4509
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

Hauppauge USB CableCARD tuner (2 tuners) for $130!!!

X2 (4 tuners) for $260 < Ceton InfiniTV 4 $299

http://www.facebook.com/hauppaugecomputerworks

http://hd.engadget.com/2011/07/13/ha...k-ships-later/

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1347459

Don't forget to factor in the extra CableCard rental every month. It would take me 10 months to break even, then the Ceton would start saving me money.
post #410 of 4509
Will the Hauppauge support network tuners???
post #411 of 4509
I want to buy this to use with my HTPC but Cox are being a bunch of idiots. They say they do not have m-cablecards even though they are mandated by FCC to carry them. Any ideas?
post #412 of 4509
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Originally Posted by lordhutt View Post
Well, if ever get it running I'll let ya know!!!
Ceton...based on my diagnostic logs I've been sending seems to think I have a bad cable card. Calling to get a replacement.

>>>>new card coming tomorrow!
New card.... about 2-3 hours with a tech at house or on phone. Still no luck. I give up. Sending back to Amazon before my return window disappears!
Maybe my Ceton is defective... whatever it is I have invested to much time in it for that amount I will use it.
So back it goes :-(
post #413 of 4509
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Originally Posted by Makaveli6103 View Post

I want to buy this to use with my HTPC but Cox are being a bunch of idiots. They say they do not have m-cablecards even though they are mandated by FCC to carry them. Any ideas?

Tell them you have a new Tivo and want to know if they have the cards that works with it. Don't mention m-card...just blather on and on about how wonderful it will be to dvr several shows at the same time. Most likely the guy has no idea what you meant by M-card.

They should support Tivo...everyone does...which means they have mcards.
post #414 of 4509
Finally, I have InfiniTV installed the way I want it.

I installed the card in a media server (i3-2100 running Win7) with sleep mode enabled, so it does NOT run 24/7, yet it is reliably serving multiple clients. Yes, that's right!

The big problem in doing this is the card doesn't like any Win7 power mode other than "high performance" (no sleep) when the media server is only streaming to remote clients (i.e., not displaying video locally).

So I left the server in "high performance" power mode, but installed a a batch file that constantly tries to put the server to sleep. It monitors whether network I/O is above 100 Kbps (i.e., TV streaming to remote clients) and whether media center is running (i.e., someone is watching TV locally at the server). If either is true, the script lets the server stay on. If both are false over a period of about five minutes, the script puts the server to sleep.

For siutations where you want to watch TV on the client, but the server is asleep, I installed login scripts on each client machine that wake the server (WOL) before media center is started.

Now I have a setup that is much better in terms of efficiency than multiple cable STBs.

After going through all of this, I can really see the benefit of installing the card in a WHS 2011 machine running something like the "lights-out" add-on. However, I wanted the box to double as a "Win7 HTPC" for optional connection to a local video display/stereo.
post #415 of 4509
I am wondering though, are there any other options for extenders besides the Xbox360? I don't need nor want to buy another gaming console just to watch live tv in another room of the house.

It seems that the Network Tuner Sharing seems like a hit or miss....so wondering if this could be used to watch tv in a different room...
post #416 of 4509
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I am wondering though, are there any other options for extenders besides the Xbox360? I don't need nor want to buy another gaming console just to watch live tv in another room of the house.

Unfortunately, the only other extender options are discontinued models:

- Linksys DMA2100 and DMA2200 (only difference is the 2200 adds a DVD player)
- D-Link DSM750
- HP MediaSmart Connect - x280n
- Niveus Media Extender - EDGE (was around $1500 )

Some of these can still be found if you search hard enough, but it will very likely be cheaper to just go with the base model XBOX.
post #417 of 4509
Generally speaking it's cheaper to get a used (or even new in box) Linksys extender on fleabay. They're available for less than $100 shipped. Same for the HP x280n, which is arguably the best extender.

Might have to be a little patient to get the best deal though, some of these go for crazy prices.
post #418 of 4509
The HP x280n is the best extender.
post #419 of 4509
Just thought I would share my experience with the Ceton tuner installation today.

The Infinitv tuner card came in Thursday, had it installed and everything went without a hitch. Of course Comcast was nice to tell me that the CableCard wasn't available in the self-install kit yet until August 1st. So I had to schedule the tech to come out on Saturday with the card and getting it activated. No big deal.

Today the tech came out in the afternoon, told him what I needed done and had already prepped the system for the card. Guy didn't actually know anything about the Ceton (Tuner card lesson 101 time!). Course he was taking notes as I was explaining it to him so I told him that next time he will know what to do.

Cable tech was actually a nice guy and got into computer talk. Installed the card, went in w/o a hitch and pulled up all the info needed to activate the card on the Ceton Tuner Diagnosis screen. Tech was quite impressed that all the info he needed to activate the card was right there on one screen, plus the fact that it has 4 tuners (vs the 2 he currently has). Called it in, and all of the remaining red negative signs turned into check marks and before long everything is now activated. All that was left was setting it up in MC which went without a hitch (thanks to the prep work I did prior to the visit).

The tech was saying that he like this system in setting it up so much better than the Tivo because they've gotten so many service calls every two weeks each time the firmware in the Tivos gets updated then the CableCard quits working. He then asked me about the tuner card and where I got it. Looks like Ceton will be making another sale pretty soon!

I tuned in to some of the HD channels and quality is great, plus the fact that changing channels within MC is quick and painless. Haven't tested the recording functions yet but will work on that later tonight.

Other than that, my install was successful and went well without any problems. I was also glad that the CableCard the tech brought out worked too, as I have heard and read many stories on how the cards were defective or didn't want to activate.

Now to read on Network Tuner Sharing!
post #420 of 4509
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post
The tech was saying that he like this system in setting it up so much better than the Tivo because they've gotten so many service calls every two weeks each time the firmware in the Tivos gets updated then the CableCard quits working.
I have no idea what he's talking about, because this never happens on Comcast with Tivo here. I've been through multiple Tivo updates and the pairing with Tivo HDs has never changed. Pretty much rock-solid, in other words - I'm running cards originally installed 3 years ago and have never had a card issue once they were properly paired.
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