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post #3931 of 4747
You may want to try the adjusting the color space in the base xbox dashboard (outside of WMC) - not sure if this affects everything or not, but I don't have any issues with it looking too dark (or I'm just well adjusted now smile.gif)
post #3932 of 4747
Just an FYI but the latest beta firmware gave me reproducible "Subscription required" error messages where I thought maybe my tuning adapter was having issues. When I reverted the tuner back to 1.1.7.2 firmware the issue went away and I can no longer reproduce the issue. Have a support ticket opened with Ceton so hopefully they'll be able to isolate the issue so it doesn't effect others.
post #3933 of 4747
Also anyone else have Cox Cable with the new MP4/h264 encoded channels? I cannot get these new channels to work with the integrated Intel HD graphics (HD 4000 is what I have) yet Nvidia or ATI cards I have display these channels fine. I typically receive "Display Driver Error - The video playback device does not support playback of protected content"
post #3934 of 4747
The intel black screen/display driver error problem is in another thread here

And at intel here

The biggest problem is it hardly affects anyone as many markets used mpeg2 for them, so it went unnoticed (though I was told OC recently switched to mpeg4). Most think they have to pay another $5-$10/month to get them but that fee is really for the WHDVR and its "fancy" new guide but its listed as plus pack fee or something like that ... a marketing decision because people are used to paying more for more channels not for the "guide" itself... and its "impossible" to add the plus pack without WHDVR even though newer Tivos and WMC machines using either the Ceton or SD tuners get them "free"
post #3935 of 4747
Yes it does appear to be all of the Plus Package HD channels I'm seeing this problem with. I'm in northern San Diego County, so I'm sure Cox is going to roll out to more markets with this. Hopefully Intel fixes their driver issue soon and Cox doesn't convert or implement more HD channels in this format for now...
post #3936 of 4747
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Originally Posted by Snakebitten View Post

Yes it does appear to be all of the Plus Package HD channels I'm seeing this problem with. I'm in northern San Diego County, so I'm sure Cox is going to roll out to more markets with this. Hopefully Intel fixes their driver issue soon and Cox doesn't convert or implement more HD channels in this format for now...
I've heard this mentioned once or twice before, and would like to run it down with Intel. Do you have a support ticket open with us? if so, please PM me the ticket #.
post #3937 of 4747
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

I've heard this mentioned once or twice before, and would like to run it down with Intel. Do you have a support ticket open with us? if so, please PM me the ticket #.

I have a ticket regarding the latest beta firmware giving me subscription required messages but saw a reply in the ticket to try a new beta firmware. For the Intel mpeg4/h264 issue I figured it was an Intel driver issue so never opened up a ticket with ceton. I can later if you would like with ceton diagnostics while the issue is occurring.
post #3938 of 4747
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Originally Posted by Snakebitten View Post

I have a ticket regarding the latest beta firmware giving me subscription required messages but saw a reply in the ticket to try a new beta firmware. For the Intel mpeg4/h264 issue I figured it was an Intel driver issue so never opened up a ticket with ceton. I can later if you would like with ceton diagnostics while the issue is occurring.

I have an i5 Clarkedale and I have the same mpeg4/h264 issue like you do. It's driving me up the wall! I'm almost at the point of buying an Nvidia card to get around the issue, but that defeats the issue of having everything integrated intot the motherboard. I'm still crossing my fingers that intel will fix the driver soon. If not then it's off to newegg for a graphics card.
post #3939 of 4747
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Originally Posted by Snakebitten View Post

I have a ticket regarding the latest beta firmware giving me subscription required messages but saw a reply in the ticket to try a new beta firmware. For the Intel mpeg4/h264 issue I figured it was an Intel driver issue so never opened up a ticket with ceton. I can later if you would like with ceton diagnostics while the issue is occurring.

Please do. Even though I do not believe this is a Ceton issue, it is still an issue that affects our customers ability to use our product, so we do have an interest in getting this resolved.

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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

The intel black screen/display driver error problem is in another thread here
And at intel here
The biggest problem is it hardly affects anyone as many markets used mpeg2 for them, so it went unnoticed (though I was told OC recently switched to mpeg4). Most think they have to pay another $5-$10/month to get them but that fee is really for the WHDVR and its "fancy" new guide but its listed as plus pack fee or something like that ... a marketing decision because people are used to paying more for more channels not for the "guide" itself... and its "impossible" to add the plus pack without WHDVR even though newer Tivos and WMC machines using either the Ceton or SD tuners get them "free"

I don't believe the reason is actually nefarious - not all STBs can decode MPEG4 (which these channels are) or tune 860MHz-1GHz (which is where these channels are). The WHDVR-capable box is a very clear line that customers can understand. Otherwise it's not something that can be explained to customers.

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Originally Posted by Snakebitten View Post

Also anyone else have Cox Cable with the new MP4/h264 encoded channels? I cannot get these new channels to work with the integrated Intel HD graphics (HD 4000 is what I have) yet Nvidia or ATI cards I have display these channels fine. I typically receive "Display Driver Error - The video playback device does not support playback of protected content"

That sounds like a different issue - I would make sure your display supports HDCP, and remove any codec packs you have installed
post #3940 of 4747
Erickotz - A little confused as you just quoted two of my replies and appeared to give me different advice regarding the same issue. I'll create a ceton support ticket regarding the Intel HD graphics not playing mpeg4/h264 as I'm only getting "Display Driver Error - The video playback device does not support playback of protected content" when viewing the Cox Plus Package HD channels. Nvidia/AMD cards display these channels fine. TV and hdmi cable are HDCP compliant and I have no 3rd party codecs installed, fresh windows 7 was recently done.

I will PM you ticket # shortly and thank you for the help.
post #3941 of 4747
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Originally Posted by Snakebitten View Post

Also anyone else have Cox Cable with the new MP4/h264 encoded channels? I cannot get these new channels to work with the integrated Intel HD graphics (HD 4000 is what I have) yet Nvidia or ATI cards I have display these channels fine. I typically receive "Display Driver Error - The video playback device does not support playback of protected content"
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

That sounds like a different issue - I would make sure your display supports HDCP, and remove any codec packs you have installed

It sounds lke the same issue to me:
Intel HD Graphics 2000/3000/4000 = No Cox H.264 copy once video display. Sound but no Video.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1392677/coxs-new-mpeg-4-h-264-channels-intel-video-2000-ceton-black-screen
post #3942 of 4747
What's annoying is that the microsoft codec doesn't have a consistent way of disabling DXVA. I've seen a few ways that don't show up in my win 7 x64 registry.
Eric, can you ask microsoft about this? Perhaps this can be used as a work around because we have no choice but to use their codec for copy protected content.

FYI, I was trying to disable dxva when macroblocking was an issue with copy protected channels.
post #3943 of 4747
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Originally Posted by robnitro View Post

What's annoying is that the microsoft codec doesn't have a consistent way of disabling DXVA. I've seen a few ways that don't show up in my win 7 x64 registry.
Eric, can you ask microsoft about this? Perhaps this can be used as a work around because we have no choice but to use their codec for copy protected content.
FYI, I was trying to disable dxva when macroblocking was an issue with copy protected channels.

'When macroblocking WAS and issue with copy protected channels'?

I am still having this problem!

Is there a fix?

xnappo
post #3944 of 4747
My only microblocking is on premium channels, like Showtime. Every other channel is much better then it used to be (running Win7, xbox extender)
post #3945 of 4747
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Originally Posted by snappjay View Post

My only microblocking is on premium channels, like Showtime. Every other channel is much better then it used to be (running Win7, xbox extender)

Interesting. I am beginning to suspect there is some leakage somewhere in my system cause LTE interference in the 700Mhz range. However I am having no luck finding the problem. I suppose the problem could be outside of my house - but trying to get TWC to look into it seems pretty unlikely.

Anyone know if there is a way to get a continuous log of SNR so I can look to see if I am getting some sort of noise spike when the glitch occurs? The SNR is great (36) when I check it, but if it is an LTE noise spike I might not catch it. I don't have LTE devices myself, but this sure does look familiar:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/11/lte_interference/

xnappo
post #3946 of 4747
Hmm, for those w macroblocking issues, does it happen on xbox 360 extender too?
If not, I suspect DXVA may be an issue where the stream isn't perfect. Ive noticed on some h264 movie encodes the hw accel option causes issues w playback, yet sw decoding in the same app or codec.
IMHO dxva is a waste with even h264 on processors from core on. My desktop uses more power to play videos /adobe flash w hw accel on, and it has a 28nm chip vid card!
post #3947 of 4747
Yes, the macroblocking shows up on extenders.

I'm half-tempted to think that it is a frequency issue. Reason is I'll watch copy-once and not notice the macroblocking on some channels and others I'll spot it. Problem in the past is it was so random never really put two and two together.

I'm beginning to think it is a combination of how the channels are laid out in Comcast land. Higher I go up, the worse the problem is. Guess I need to get off my lazy butt to see if the frequencies of the guide (meaning higher channel numbers actually correlate to higher frequency) or not. Reason I bring this up is if I watch something on Encore or HBO I usually don't notice macroblocking. However Starz is "at the end" of the guide and macroblocking is usually evident.

Of course there are 10,000 other variables in play. Perhaps I'm used to it. Perhaps a full moon. Perhaps what I'm watching at the time doesn't have copy once. Boils down to sometimes I just want to rot my brain and not think about it all.
post #3948 of 4747
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Originally Posted by WideNine View Post

Yes, the macroblocking shows up on extenders.
I'm half-tempted to think that it is a frequency issue. Reason is I'll watch copy-once and not notice the macroblocking on some channels and others I'll spot it. Problem in the past is it was so random never really put two and two together.
I'm beginning to think it is a combination of how the channels are laid out in Comcast land. Higher I go up, the worse the problem is. Guess I need to get off my lazy butt to see if the frequencies of the guide (meaning higher channel numbers actually correlate to higher frequency) or not. Reason I bring this up is if I watch something on Encore or HBO I usually don't notice macroblocking. However Starz is "at the end" of the guide and macroblocking is usually evident.
Of course there are 10,000 other variables in play. Perhaps I'm used to it. Perhaps a full moon. Perhaps what I'm watching at the time doesn't have copy once. Boils down to sometimes I just want to rot my brain and not think about it all.

Yes - I also see it on extenders. Since TWC uses SDV it is a massive pain to figure out if it is a frequency issue. However I am beginning to suspect it is indeed only in the 700Mhz range that I see the issue. Again though - by SNR looks great so it has to be sporadic interference or something.

xnappo
post #3949 of 4747
Somehow we need a way to compare future notes with each other. I have good SNR/dB readings usually.
post #3950 of 4747
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Originally Posted by WideNine View Post

Somehow we need a way to compare future notes with each other. I have good SNR/dB readings usually.

I can setup a database for us like this:
http://baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/xnappo/main

Fields like 'firmware, h/w version, channel, frequency, tuner#,snr,level' ??

Or maybe just a Wiki somewhere?

xnappo
post #3951 of 4747
Hey, not sure if any one has seen these, but it looks like it would be a fantastic HTPC, passmark is listed at 2222, which should be more than enough power to pass the netflix test, My E5300 CPU has a passmark score around 1500, and it's worked great as my main HTPC, should work great with the network Ceton tuner, running Win 7 of course.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102002
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i3-3217U+%40+1.80GHz
post #3952 of 4747
I have to watch a recorded HBO show with WMC and only WMC? I can't use my favorite Zoom Player?
post #3953 of 4747
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Originally Posted by Karl Beem View Post

I have to watch a recorded HBO show with WMC and only WMC? I can't use my favorite Zoom Player?

You wouldn't be able to watch it in Zoom Player because the show would be copy protected. Most channels especially premium channels like HBO, Showtime, Cinemax are copy protected. It does vary from provider to provider, but I would say the vast majority are protected. I'm on COX and it appears that 98% of my channels are protected. The recordings are not portable, and they have to be watched on the PC that created them. You could watch the recording through Windows Media Player, but only on that PC.
post #3954 of 4747
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Originally Posted by Teddyboy View Post

You wouldn't be able to watch it in Zoom Player because the show would be copy protected. Most channels especially premium channels like HBO, Showtime, Cinemax are copy protected. It does vary from provider to provider, but I would say the vast majority are protected. I'm on COX and it appears that 98% of my channels are protected. The recordings are not portable, and they have to be watched on the PC that created them. You could watch the recording through Windows Media Player, but only on that PC.

I understand - but why only Windows players? Playing is not copying.
post #3955 of 4747
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Originally Posted by Karl Beem View Post

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Originally Posted by Teddyboy View Post

You wouldn't be able to watch it in Zoom Player because the show would be copy protected. Most channels especially premium channels like HBO, Showtime, Cinemax are copy protected. It does vary from provider to provider, but I would say the vast majority are protected. I'm on COX and it appears that 98% of my channels are protected. The recordings are not portable, and they have to be watched on the PC that created them. You could watch the recording through Windows Media Player, but only on that PC.

I understand - but why only Windows players? Playing is not copying.

Actually it is. If you can play a video file with any arbitrary player, then you can copy it. The PlayReady DRM can only be decrypted by a program that is trusted with the encryption keys. Right now that means WMC.
post #3956 of 4747
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I can setup a database for us like this:
http://baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/xnappo/main
Fields like 'firmware, h/w version, channel, frequency, tuner#,snr,level' ??
Or maybe just a Wiki somewhere?
xnappo

Yeah, problem with my setup is I have two ceton cards and cannot tell which card I'm pulling off easily. Well, I sorta can if I then remote into the recording server and go through the tuners and spot the channel I was watching with a status of "playing". This should be fairly straightforward...and might be useful because maybe all my problems are restricted to one card and both of them have different hw versions now that I think about it.
post #3957 of 4747
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Originally Posted by WideNine View Post

Yeah, problem with my setup is I have two ceton cards and cannot tell which card I'm pulling off easily. Well, I sorta can if I then remote into the recording server and go through the tuners and spot the channel I was watching with a status of "playing". This should be fairly straightforward...and might be useful because maybe all my problems are restricted to one card and both of them have different hw versions now that I think about it.

Just got off the phone with Ceton support - they say the latest beta firmware is supposed to resolve the issue!

The reason I was on the phone with them is I can't upgrade my card - so they are doing an RMA... But give it a shot!

xnappo

[EDIT]

See some discussion here:
http://thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=3060
post #3958 of 4747
My house has 4 xbox360s extenders on three floors, using Wifi connected to a central Ceton based HTPC server. There is no hassle at all. It just works. This enables xbox360 hosted internet video apps like HBOGO as well.

I never use a direct video connection to the HTPC for watching TV. My video card is only used for software maintenance tasks on the HTPC monitor.

This is much easier and cheaper than HDMI over Cat 6.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
post #3959 of 4747
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Originally Posted by lmitche View Post

My house has 4 xbox360s extenders on three floors, using Wifi connected to a central Ceton based HTPC server. There is no hassle at all. It just works. This enables xbox360 hosted internet video apps like HBOGO as well.
I never use a direct video connection to the HTPC for watching TV. My video card is only used for software maintenance tasks on the HTPC monitor.
This is much easier and cheaper than HDMI over Cat 6.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

So my question to you is, do the extenders take long to startup WMC? I mean do you have to a wait before the WMC is responsive to perform any actions?

My setup is a central Ceton based HTPC windows 8 (but before it was window 7 and still had the same issue), tunning adapter (obviously) and two xbox360's are connecting to the HTPC via GIGABIT ethernet. WMC works fine running from the HTPC, but when started from the xbox360, it shows the WMC screen but it freezes for at least 30 seconds to a minute, before it becomes responsive, to browse the menu. Runs just fine after that.

My other problem, is that now that the I upgraded to windows 8, the extenders fail to load WMC, if the HTPC isn't running WMC. O_o? It literally doesn't connect until start WMC on the HTPC.....

Anybody experiencing the same issues? Anybody has any ideas on what to do, to improve WMC startup time on the extenders?
post #3960 of 4747
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Originally Posted by lmitche View Post

My house has 4 xbox360s extenders on three floors, using Wifi connected to a central Ceton based HTPC server. There is no hassle at all. It just works. This enables xbox360 hosted internet video apps like HBOGO as well.
I never use a direct video connection to the HTPC for watching TV. My video card is only used for software maintenance tasks on the HTPC monitor.
This is much easier and cheaper than HDMI over Cat 6.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Your experience is by no means universal - streaming HD over wireless is a crapshoot. If wireless doesn't work well, however, MoCA and Powerline adapters are an alternative if you can't run Ethernet.
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