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post #4651 of 4750
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

It works that way to prevent an additional tuner from being used. You can force it to use two tuners and overlap the recordings by setting the first recording to end 10 minutes after (not 10 minutes after when possible). The first show will start 2 minutes early and end 10 minutes after, and the second show will start 2 minutes early.
Oh that sucks. Thanks for the info I will try your suggestion.
post #4652 of 4750
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Originally Posted by layziethug View Post

Oh that sucks. Thanks for the info I will try your suggestion.
It works perfectly. I have all of my recordings set to do this. It also helps to avoid aggravation with those certain networks that insist on running their shows 2 or 3 minutes past the top/bottom of the hour.
post #4653 of 4750
make sure you have your time syncing everytime your HTPC comes on, that will have the most impact, with out having to add extra time to the recordings I have all my recordings set to come on, on time, now there are few shows where the guide data is not 100% accurate, and you have to add some additional time, I believe duck dynasty and the most dangerous catch fall into this category, but it's an issue with the guide data, not necessarily MCE, and you'll need to figure those out, but the American's for example, which usually lasts an hour and 5 minutes, with the proper time sync, worst case you'll miss the last 10-20 seconds of the previews for next week.
post #4654 of 4750
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

make sure you have your time syncing everytime your HTPC comes on, that will have the most impact, with out having to add extra time to the recordings I have all my recordings set to come on, on time, now there are few shows where the guide data is not 100% accurate, and you have to add some additional time, I believe duck dynasty and the most dangerous catch fall into this category, but it's an issue with the guide data, not necessarily MCE, and you'll need to figure those out, but the American's for example, which usually lasts an hour and 5 minutes, with the proper time sync, worst case you'll miss the last 10-20 seconds of the previews for next week.
The problem is back-to-back recordings on the same channel. If you don't set it to record over, it throws an error because it tries to use the same tuner, which either results in a loss of some of the program(s), or a recording failure. Setting the show to record 10 minutes after forces the iTV to use a different tuner instead.
post #4655 of 4750
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Originally Posted by jreese831 View Post

The problem is back-to-back recordings on the same channel. If you don't set it to record over, it throws an error because it tries to use the same tuner, which either results in a loss of some of the program(s), or a recording failure. Setting the show to record 10 minutes after forces the iTV to use a different tuner instead.
I do back to back recordings for shows I know I won't keep. I've never seen any errors or loss of programs because of that.
post #4656 of 4750
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Originally Posted by jreese831 View Post

The problem is back-to-back recordings on the same channel. If you don't set it to record over, it throws an error because it tries to use the same tuner, which either results in a loss of some of the program(s), or a recording failure. Setting the show to record 10 minutes after forces the iTV to use a different tuner instead.

I don't pay to much attention to all this these day, but I believe, the only issue I have seen is that some times, MCE will use two tuners just very briefly, for back to back recordings on different channels, if watching a 3rd channel you get the message to change the channel for the recording, but as soon as it takes over your tuner, you get the other one back almost immediately. I don't recall having any other issues, and when the guide data has the proper time settings, with everything ending on the hour or half hour, I don't recall have any issues.

Prime time kicks off next week I believe, I'll pay more attention just to confirm, but often with back to back recordings we are already watching the first show prior the second recording starting, and since we are not using any tuners, nothing really happens.

Or maybe I can figure out a way to start having conflicts so that I can justify to the wife why we'd be better off with an inifintv 6 ETH. tongue.gif

But as originally mentioned, having the proper time which requires daily sync's has been one of the best tweaks that I've done to the system, I just hit record series, and let it go.
post #4657 of 4750
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Originally Posted by jreese831 View Post

The problem is back-to-back recordings on the same channel. If you don't set it to record over, it throws an error because it tries to use the same tuner, which either results in a loss of some of the program(s), or a recording failure. Setting the show to record 10 minutes after forces the iTV to use a different tuner instead.

Ok, I just tested two scenarios, I have my time sync'ing every hour when the HTPC is powered on, and I have recording defaults set to start and stop on time.


1) Recorded back to back shows on the same channel, while watching a second. Appears to me that I did not get the last 3-5 seconds of the first show, but I did get the beginning of the second show, and I was able to watch a 2nd channel with no disruption.

2) Recorded two shows on two different channels, first show ended at 5 est on channel A, the second show came on at 5 est on Channel B, and I was watching channel C. and the results where the same as the above, I missed a few seconds at the end of the first recording, had the beginning of the second recording, and I was able to watch a 3nd channel with no disruption, as the recordings stopped and started.
post #4658 of 4750
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

Ok, I just tested two scenarios, I have my time sync'ing every hour when the HTPC is powered on, and I have recording defaults set to start and stop on time.


1) Recorded back to back shows on the same channel, while watching a second. Appears to me that I did not get the last 3-5 seconds of the first show, but I did get the beginning of the second show, and I was able to watch a 2nd channel with no disruption.

2) Recorded two shows on two different channels, first show ended at 5 est on channel A, the second show came on at 5 est on Channel B, and I was watching channel C. and the results where the same as the above, I missed a few seconds at the end of the first recording, had the beginning of the second recording, and I was able to watch a 3nd channel with no disruption, as the recordings stopped and started.
Speaking for myself, I have my clock set to synchronize on every boot and once a day as I live the PC running 24/7, so my clock should be pretty accurate. For many of us, losing the last few seconds of a show isn't something we want to put up with and the network start/stop times aren't always 100% accurate nor is the guide data always 100% accurate. So we setup our recordings to start a bit early and end a bit late. Ideally, I would only want to record an extra minute or 2 for most shows. As soon as you set things up to record past the scheduled end, back-to-back recordings on the same channel don't behave as one would expect unless you select the 10 (or more) minutes over (not the "when possible" options). What will happen if you select less than 10 minutes is that the first show will record those extra minutes and then the second show will start recording when the first one ends. So the recording for the 2nd show is missing the first X minutes of the show. To see the start of the 2nd show, you have to watch the end of the first recording. So only one tuner gets used (which is fine), but they should have implemented the recording engine to write the data to BOTH files during the time overlap. If the back-to-back recordings are on different channels, then there's no problem - this problem only happens when both shows are on the same channel. This is one of the few things I'd really love to see Microsoft get around to fixing, but it seems pretty unlikely at this point.
post #4659 of 4750
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Speaking for myself, I have my clock set to synchronize on every boot and once a day as I live the PC running 24/7, so my clock should be pretty accurate. For many of us, losing the last few seconds of a show isn't something we want to put up with and the network start/stop times aren't always 100% accurate nor is the guide data always 100% accurate. So we setup our recordings to start a bit early and end a bit late. Ideally, I would only want to record an extra minute or 2 for most shows. As soon as you set things up to record past the scheduled end, back-to-back recordings on the same channel don't behave as one would expect unless you select the 10 (or more) minutes over (not the "when possible" options). What will happen if you select less than 10 minutes is that the first show will record those extra minutes and then the second show will start recording when the first one ends. So the recording for the 2nd show is missing the first X minutes of the show. To see the start of the 2nd show, you have to watch the end of the first recording. So only one tuner gets used (which is fine), but they should have implemented the recording engine to write the data to BOTH files during the time overlap. If the back-to-back recordings are on different channels, then there's no problem - this problem only happens when both shows are on the same channel. This is one of the few things I'd really love to see Microsoft get around to fixing, but it seems pretty unlikely at this point.

I'm not so annoyed at losing a few seconds, my wife on the other hand is as she likes to watch the previews of next weeks episode. While I would agree, It would great if there were some improvements, but I'm fairly happy with what I have, just had my two year anniversary using the infintv 4. And if I recall, my old Comcast cable box was no better, but I had an older generation, maybe the 5 tuner box they are advertising now is better, but I'll never know wink.gif

But my post was really for jreese831, he seems to be having other issues out side of the MCE's current flaws, I just ran a quick test to confirm my behavior, as I really could not remember what was actually occurring.
post #4660 of 4750
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

I'm not so annoyed at losing a few seconds, my wife on the other hand is as she likes to watch the previews of next weeks episode. While I would agree, It would great if there were some improvements, but I'm fairly happy with what I have, just had my two year anniversary using the infintv 4. And if I recall, my old Comcast cable box was no better, but I had an older generation, maybe the 5 tuner box they are advertising now is better, but I'll never know wink.gif

But my post was really for jreese831, he seems to be having other issues out side of the MCE's current flaws, I just ran a quick test to confirm my behavior, as I really could not remember what was actually occurring.
Maybe it has something to do with cable providers as well. My PC time syncs every day, I've confirmed that it's doing it, etc. What I find (and this is not limited to MCE, this happens on my cable co DVR box as well) is that certain networks, most notably Fox and NBC, will "extend" their prime time shows so that they do not end exactly on the half hour. More often, they end 2 or 3 minutes after the half hour and that is what screws up my recordings, and what led to me using the 10 minutes after "hack." This forces a second tuner and prevents programming loss, as well as ensuring that any funny business on the part of Cox and/or the networks doesn't result in missing the end of my shows.

That probably didn't clear much up, but those are my reasons for doing what I do, and I just set the 10 minutes over on every new recording now as a matter of course.
post #4661 of 4750
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Originally Posted by jreese831 View Post

That probably didn't clear much up, but those are my reasons for doing what I do, and I just set the 10 minutes over on every new recording now as a matter of course.
Same here and with 16 tuners available (2 x InfiniTV 6 ETH and 2 x HDHomerun), I don't think I'm at much risk of running out of tuners biggrin.gif.
post #4662 of 4750
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Same here and with 16 tuners available (2 x InfiniTV 6 ETH and 2 x HDHomerun), I don't think I'm at much risk of running out of tuners biggrin.gif.

This solution is fine. However I am curious if anyone has tried to automate a copy/paste operation to take on the beginning of one show to the end of another. Seems like it wouldn't be that hard and I am already running a nightly script to move stuff anyway.

It wouldn't work on CCI stuff - but my problem with this is mostly broadcast anyway.

xnappo
post #4663 of 4750
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Same here and with 16 tuners available (2 x InfiniTV 6 ETH and 2 x HDHomerun), I don't think I'm at much risk of running out of tuners biggrin.gif.

Dude, your a TV nut. that's a lot of freaking tuners. I'm still on the fence to just buy one inifiniv 6 ETH.
post #4664 of 4750
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

Dude, your a TV nut. that's a lot of freaking tuners. I'm still on the fence to just buy one inifiniv 6 ETH.
Well, they aren't all exclusively for me as they're all shared with other PC's in the house. But it would be pretty unlikely I would ever run into a situation where I don't have enough tuners available.
post #4665 of 4750
Will extend recording 5 minutes work to force WMC to use another tuner or I have to choose 10 minutes?
post #4666 of 4750
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Originally Posted by layziethug View Post

Will extend recording 5 minutes work to force WMC to use another tuner or I have to choose 10 minutes?
It has to be 10 minutes or more (and not the "when possible" options) to force use of the 2nd tuner. When I first started using WMC (I initially setup a test system that I ran in parallel with my previous solution), I set most recordings up to go 5 minutes over (not the "when possible") option and ran into the issue with some back-to-back recordings on the same channel. The need to bump it up to 10 minutes certainly wasn't intuitive at all and remains one of my few big criticisms of WMC. Fortunately the workaround is simple and disk space is cheap smile.gif.
post #4667 of 4750
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

It has to be 10 minutes or more (and not the "when possible" options) to force use of the 2nd tuner. When I first started using WMC (I initially setup a test system that I ran in parallel with my previous solution), I set most recordings up to go 5 minutes over (not the "when possible") option and ran into the issue with some back-to-back recordings on the same channel. The need to bump it up to 10 minutes certainly wasn't intuitive at all and remains one of my few big criticisms of WMC. Fortunately the workaround is simple and disk space is cheap smile.gif.
Thanks for the confirmation.
post #4668 of 4750
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Well, they aren't all exclusively for me as they're all shared with other PC's in the house. But it would be pretty unlikely I would ever run into a situation where I don't have enough tuners available.

how my recordings have your ever had going at any one time? it's interesting that your cable signal is strong enough to power that many tuners.
post #4669 of 4750
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

how my recordings have your ever had going at any one time? it's interesting that your cable signal is strong enough to power that many tuners.
I don't believe I've ever tried having all 16 going on 1 PC, but I did setup a test to record shows off of all 12 of the Ceton tuners a few times and it worked just fine.

My FIOS signal is plenty strong, in fact I have an attenuator on the feed before the 2 way splitter that feeds the 2 x InfiniTV 6 ETH's to keep the signal in the ideal range. These are located less than a 20 foot cable run from the FIOS ONT.

The 2 x HDHomeRuns are OTA tuners (they aren't Primes), and receive a signal from my TV antenna which also feeds some other OTA tuners that are in another PC. The other PC runs BeyondTV and records most OTA stuff that I record in WMC as a backup in case WMC screws up, which has only happened a few times since I've been using IniniTV tuners (I started with a pair of IniniTV 4 PCIe's when they first came out). IIRC, those screw ups were mostly bad guide data as opposed to WMC failing to start a recording that was actually in its schedule. The BeyondTV PC has 3 dual HD OTA PCIe tuners and also shares access to the 2 x HDHomeRuns. I've decided to leave the BeyondTV solution running indefinitely because I also use that PC for J River Media Center as well as some other tasks and having the BeyondTV recording engine running in the background doesn't use up much in the way of resources (and the OTA tuners wouldn't be worth much on the used market).
post #4670 of 4750
Just tossing out a random thought due to the eminent demise of WMC.

Hopefully Ceton has kicked around the idea of embracing the Steam Box.

I might be crazy, but most of the pieces are/will be in place.

Edit: Yes I'm crazy, before the edit I repeated myself twice. smile.gif
post #4671 of 4750
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Originally Posted by WideNine View Post

Just tossing out a random thought due to the eminent demise of WMC.

Hopefully Ceton has kicked around the idea of embracing the Steam Box.

I might be crazy, but most of the pieces are/will be in place.

Edit: Yes I'm crazy, before the edit I repeated myself twice. smile.gif

I googled the "imminent demise of WMC" and while your post made page 2 (not bad!), I didn't find anything to suggest my InfiniTV 4 will become useless, imminently or otherwise. So, on what do you base your premise? No more guide data? Gotta pay for it? Just curious.
post #4672 of 4750
Yeah I was wondering that myself. I just plopped $300 on a 6 pcie to test against my Roamio Pro and would certainly cancel the order if I heard its demise were "imminent"! eek.gif
post #4673 of 4750
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Originally Posted by WideNine View Post

Just tossing out a random thought due to the eminent demise of WMC.

Hopefully Ceton has kicked around the idea of embracing the Steam Box.

I might be crazy, but most of the pieces are/will be in place.

Edit: Yes I'm crazy, before the edit I repeated myself twice. smile.gif

To paraphrase Samuel Clemens, "The reports of immenent demise of WMC have been greately exaggerated"
post #4674 of 4750
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

I have been using network tuners with a Ceton with WHS 2011 since before network tuners were officially supported (using the utility from Missing Remote).

Apologies for bumping an old post. Has anyone found a solution to losing the remote access setup configuration from the WHS Console? I have a 6 tuner PCI card installed bridged to the on board NIC. I don't think the onboard NIC is somehow recognized. If I install a second NIC, will the configurator recognize it and utilize it to configure the cable modem for remote access. (Remote access worked before I bridged the NIC to the InfiniTV card). Everything else works swimmingly. Any advice would be appreciated.
post #4675 of 4750
does anyone have this running with roomie remote? if so, is it compatible with extenders as well?
post #4676 of 4750
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Originally Posted by rrolfes View Post

Apologies for bumping an old post. Has anyone found a solution to losing the remote access setup configuration from the WHS Console? I have a 6 tuner PCI card installed bridged to the on board NIC. I don't think the onboard NIC is somehow recognized. If I install a second NIC, will the configurator recognize it and utilize it to configure the cable modem for remote access. (Remote access worked before I bridged the NIC to the InfiniTV card). Everything else works swimmingly. Any advice would be appreciated.

I've not done anything special, I've run the tuner on two different setups using the manual bridging process, never had a problem with remote access to whs 2011. I do run a static IP on my server so I don't have to update the port forwarding rules on my router on each build/rebuild and I'm running a static IP on the tuner as well, but this is just personal preference.
post #4677 of 4750
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Originally Posted by azula View Post

does anyone have this running with roomie remote? if so, is it compatible with extenders as well?

I don't think this has anything to do with the tuner, it would need to be compatible with the player. The question is, is rooomie remote compatible with MCE for example, and from a quick Google search it would appear to work. And roomie would then need to be compatible the extender, and the only current extender is the Xbox360.
Edited by dbailey75 - 11/3/13 at 6:45am
post #4678 of 4750
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

... and the only current extender is the Xbox360.
Ceton also has their own currently available and "in-production" Echo extender.

And you can still find the Linksys DMA2100 extender used on eBay (I've got three of my own but I'm not selling).
post #4679 of 4750
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

Ceton also has their own currently available and "in-production" Echo extender.

And you can still find the Linksys DMA2100 extender used on eBay (I've got three of my own but I'm not selling).

thanks, forgot about the echo.
post #4680 of 4750
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Originally Posted by dbailey75 View Post

thanks, forgot about the echo.

Wow, this is the first time I've heard that name mentioned since the official Echo thread got shut down.

Is there ANY news for the Ceton Echo since this?
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