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I've seen Samsung's Auto Motion Plus on a friend's TV and I thought it was cool. I've never seen people look so lifelike. To be honest, it's really the only thing that has made a TV picture jump out at me in a store. Other than that, everything on the wall looks similar to me.

I'm currently deciding between a Samsung D7000 and a Panasonic GT30. The Panasonic has their own version of this (motion interpolation) technology called Intelligent Frame Creation and it's available on the GT30. From what I've read, Samsung has dropped Auto Motion Plus in their 2011 plasma lineup, so the D7000 doesn't have it.

For anyone owning a Panny, do you use this feature? Do you consider it a reason to go with a Panny over a Sammy? If I saw it in the store and thought it was cool, am I going to continue to think so after watching it for hours, or does it get annoying after a while?
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I personally love the technology and it's the sole reason i am going with a panasonic this year over the samsung if i buy ($1600 store credit that's burnign a hole in my pocket). I like it so much that i was originally going to by an LED LCD over a plasma just for the tech but thankfully samsung put it on the c8000 and got me back wanting plasma. I'm very upset that samsung dropped it this year for some unknown reason but thankfully panasonic introduced it.

However, you will find that many people on this forum do no like the effect. Most call it the Soap Opera Effect (SOE) and turn it off. A few will like it for tv shows and sports but definitely not for movies. I personally love it and will use it for all the programming i watch except video games since the feature introduces lag time due to the additional processing. My parents have a samsung 40" A650 120hz lcd that i've temporarily acquired until i buy my new set and i/they use AutoMotion Plus in the same way i will on the new set. Additionally, my brother recently bought the 50" st30 and uses it all the time as well. I like that the st30 adds frames in 3D mode so the 3D is much easier to watch and rids all eye strain plus making it look much more realistic.
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Thanks. It's good to hear from someone else who likes it because it seems to be unpopular around here. Is the Panasonic version of motion interpolation as good as the Samsung version? I've seen Sony's version (called MotionFlow) in the store the other day and I liked it. I haven't seen it on a Panasonic yet.
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Thanks. It's good to hear from someone else who likes it because it seems to be unpopular around here. Is the Panasonic version of motion interpolation as good as the Samsung version? I've seen Sony's version (called MotionFlow) in the store the other day and I liked it. I haven't seen it on a Panasonic yet.

This is where things get a little complex and you really should check it out for yourself before deciding. Basically LCD's with frame interpolation, as the technology is known as with various names from each manufacturer (automotion plus, motionflow, trumotion, fine motion advanced, etc), have a more aggressive smoothing effect. They add more frames and the motion may look smoother, but there are a ton of artifacts and problems with the image when the computer incorrectly calculates how the motion is going.

Plasmas with frame interpolation (Motion Judder Canceller from Samsung 2010 models and Motion Smoother in panasonic 2011 3D models) are not as aggressive/add less frames, but are much more accurate and rarely have artifacts. In fact, i've never seen glitching or artifacts in panasonics Motion Smoother. Plasmas smoother would be just under the smoothness of samsungs automotion plus lcds on medium setting but not as ineffective as low.

It's hard to explain, so like i said it's best you check it out in person. An easy way to demo the smoothing is in the scrolling white credits of a movie. Other than that, take a bluray movie that you're familiar with and have the retailer show you it on an lcd and plasma.

Good scenes that I can think of to demo would be the beggining of "The Dark Knight" when the camera is paning into the building or there's a point later on in the movie when bruce gets dropped off ontop of a building and the camera flys in and circles around the building. Another scene would be about 56 minutes into "Avatar", "The Hallelujah Mountains" chapter, when it shows a long shot of the plane flying through the floating mountains. These are good scenes to test smoothness and gltiches/artifacts in the smoothing. Watch the ede of objects(liek the corner of buildings) or peoples faces for breakups or things that just look unnatural.
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Plasmas with frame interpolation (Motion Judder Canceller from Samsung 2010 models and Motion Smoother in panasonic 2011 3D models) are not as aggressive/add less frames, but are much more accurate and rarely have artifacts. In fact, i've never seen glitching or artifacts in panasonics Motion Smoother. Plasmas smoother would be just under the smoothness of samsungs automotion plus lcds on medium setting but not as ineffective as low.

OK, so it's more subtle and less controversial on a plasma? How come it's applied differently on a plasma than it is on an LCD? Is it the fact that it doesn't need to be as aggressive on a plasma because the pixels are faster? Does the Panasonic plasma smoother have a high/medium/low setting, or is it just on/off?

I wish Panasonic would just put more information about this on their website. I haven't found any good documentation on it.
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I own the 55GT30 and when i watch cable I cant stand it gives a headache but I sometimes use it for gaming it looks cool and verry smooth, now when im watching 3d is a must cause to me its easier on the eye and it looks buttery smooth and awesome.
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OK, so it's more subtle and less controversial on a plasma? How come it's applied differently on a plasma than it is on an LCD? Is it the fact that it doesn't need to be as aggressive on a plasma because the pixels are faster? Does the Panasonic plasma smoother have a high/medium/low setting, or is it just on/off?

I wish Panasonic would just put more information about this on their website. I haven't found any good documentation on it.

i think it's because one of two things: 1 because plasmas pixels are faster so i'm sure they had troubles in the development stage getting it to look right and 2 because plasmas are 60hz, the best they can artificially increase the frame rate with frame interpolation is to 60 different frames per second (over the native 24 or 30fps) whereas 120/240hz lcds can theoretically artificially increase to 120 to 240 different frames per second. Although, i'm certain lcd's don't go that high, they do noticeably add more frames than plasmas which explains the added glitches and artifacts in the higher/more aggressive settings.

Panasonic allows you to turn "Motion Smoother" to Off, Weak, or Strong. With HD sources i leave it on strong and have never noticed glitches or artifacts.
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i think it's because one of two things: 1 because plasmas pixels are faster so i'm sure they had troubles in the development stage getting it to look right and 2 because plasmas are 60hz, the best they can artificially increase the frame rate with frame interpolation is to 60 different frames per second (over the native 24 or 30fps) whereas 120/240hz lcds can theoretically artificially increase to 120 to 240 different frames per second. Although, i'm certain lcd's don't go that high, they do noticeably add more frames than plasmas which explains the added glitches and artifacts in the higher/more aggressive settings.

Panasonic allows you to turn "Motion Smoother" to Off, Weak, or Strong. With HD sources i leave it on strong and have never noticed glitches or artifacts.

I don't believe this is correct. Most modern plasmas only display independent screen draws at 60 Hz but, however, will actually display each of those screens 10 times in each cycle.
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Originally Posted by maygit View Post

i think it's because one of two things: 1 because plasmas pixels are faster so i'm sure they had troubles in the development stage getting it to look right and 2 because plasmas are 60hz, the best they can artificially increase the frame rate with frame interpolation is to 60 different frames per second (over the native 24 or 30fps) whereas 120/240hz lcds can theoretically artificially increase to 120 to 240 different frames per second. Although, i'm certain lcd's don't go that high, they do noticeably add more frames than plasmas which explains the added glitches and artifacts in the higher/more aggressive settings.

Panasonic allows you to turn "Motion Smoother" to Off, Weak, or Strong. With HD sources i leave it on strong and have never noticed glitches or artifacts.

So if a plasma runs at 60 FPS, I understand that you can take 24 FPS material and add frames in between. I'm a little confused as to what this feature does for 60 FPS material (such as a 1080i broadcast or 1080p60 bluray). Or does it only apply to 24 FPS material?
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