Originally Posted by oddiodog
DS makes a lot of claims
. Trying to do a comparison between prepros is not easy unless you have some form of switching to do a direct A-B comparison. The reason why I suggested the Oppo was that you can do a direct A-B comparison much easier than with a prepro.
I do understand that, Bill. My statement about folks being more interested in proving DS to be a charlatan over coming at it from a neutral perspective was not meant to be pointed in your direction. My mistake for placing it after your Oppo suggestion. I apologize for the understandable interpretation. It's just that your suggestion made me think about those that could be.
To be quite honest the two go hand in hand wouldn't you think
Not necessarily. If the tester or subject set-up and perform the test with a bias either way in mind, it could effect the results. ie: if the tester wanted to see no difference because either he as already made-up his mind or because he's writing in forums to protect large manufacturers, then he could decide to compare components like the Oppos with less noticeable difference. Thereby increasing the likely-hood for differences to be detected. On the flip side, a guy might hear a difference in SQ and claim it's an improvement, where maybe it was just different. And he might overemphasize the improvement because his desire skews it that way. I'm not saying that's what will happen. Or suggesting that was your intent to suggest the Oppo. I'm saying that not coming at it from a neutral standpoint in as fair and unbiased blind test as possible will not give us the best results one way or the other.
I for one am not going to spend the money or the time to prove or disapprove DS's claims. I strongly believe if TUC's modded components were as good as DS claims there would be much more discussion about it than what you read here on AVS. At least when you but a $6K processor you know what you are getting and can remove the cover to look at the inside without losing your warranty
I don't disagree. If I had $9000 to play with, I'd be buying a $9000 processor. And tossing it for the next great upgrade in 2 years. If I had $9000 to play with. However, if I had much more to play with, I think I might be funding and conducting these comparisons with groups on this forum because I would enjoy it.
If you want the truth why not have your processor modded by TUC?
Couple of reasons. I emailed/spoke with DS to get a sense of his business/customer attitude and a gut feeling for the guy. In all honestly, it wasn't the experienced I had hoped for. No comparison to a chat with a guy like Pete at HSU. But I couldn't get a gut feeling on the claims. Since I'm not a fan of wasting money including return shipping costs and the effort it would take to take apart my media room to get at the components, I've been researching the net for info and any A/B comparisons, since. Another reason is I have the Integra 9.8 and DS's suggestion was to get the modded 5508 over modding the 9.8 as it [insert DS lingo re substantial improvement]. That option interested me most because it also gives me XT32. But then I'd never know if the extra $$ I'd pay over the stock 5508 made any difference. And it would void the manufacturers warranty and could potentially increase malfunction. So without an A/B comparison of my own or from some seemingly trusted forum users, I'm unwilling to spend $2800. And to be honest, I'm not sold on the stock 5508 because I'm not sure it will fill the void i've been wanting in SQ. It may fulfill some areas, but I'm not sold on all of them. Especially the thin, digital sound I want improved.
I guess the members here on AVS figured they would start small and take DS to the task. Then maybe move onto political system and the white house
Thank goodness. Someone needs to. Otherwise there'll be few left to afford processors.
Too bad more people didn't research the net about what is too easily spoon fed to them by the TV and Newspapers. If a restaurant owner makes bad food, I would eat there just because the pretty server gives me the food.
Again step right up and give DS a call to have your prepro modded.
By the way you have an awesome looking HT room there
Thanks. I'm fairly happy with their looks on their limited budget. I would have done more with more. Hidden rears, more treatments, etc. But had to put the brakes on after my wife discovered the floating floor material I took a lunch off to secretly haul into the basement. But both rooms sound even better than they look. mmm, well my proceed amp went into protective mode a few weeks ago, so I'm now using my Anthem MCA5 for all channels. Not happy. Too bright again. The repair of the HPA3 is another grey area to deal with.