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post #211 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

Mark, Cinema out of the box settings were/are very good on my ST. I think that is also what the major reviews uncovered and the calibrators mostly did not screw with it. When D-Nice was asked if he was going to give settings for Cinema mode, he replied, "why". They mostly were trying to do better by calibrating the custom mode. In the end, custom only improved on cinema slightly. My out of the box ST30 cinema is on par with the THX on my 58VT25 and the prof calibrated modes on the VT25 are slightly better (more pop) than THX. So, to my eyes the Cinema mode on the ST30 is damn good. That being said, I'm running mostly Custom. I only switch to Cinema on some programs to check out the color because I feel it is going to be more correct. BTW I watch more Comcast cable than BD but the BDs have been excellent.

thanks Jimmy... well i just ordered the 60ST30...got a great deal..

i think i am over analyzing... but i hope it is not too dim, even during the day my room is not bright at all, just hoping, like sports have some pop to them... LOL, and hope that it doesnt have the green blob... i hope the people than complain about the dim picture are used to using torch mode OOB settings and arent accustomed to a proper picture.. but 26ftL does seem a little low..

thus will be my 4th set in 2 months time... 1 Mits DLP and 2 LG 60pv450's...who would of thought that the LG's had FBr, but they do and it is not good.
post #212 of 1413
Got my new 50ST30 yesterday. Will I have a problem if I run the D-nice panel prep slides, after I've already used the TV normally for about 5-10 hours or so? Any difference in settings after panel prep? Thx for any input.
post #213 of 1413
I have changed the defaults on the set and forgot to copy the Original defaults. Can someone please post the factory defaults for Picture and Pro Setting's. I am having a hard time searching them down. Thanks
post #214 of 1413
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

thanks Jimmy... well i just ordered the 60ST30...got a great deal..

i think i am over analyzing... but i hope it is not too dim, even during the day my room is not bright at all, just hoping, like sports have some pop to them... LOL, and hope that it doesnt have the green blob... i hope the people than complain about the dim picture are used to using torch mode OOB settings and arent accustomed to a proper picture.. but 26ftL does seem a little low..

People complain about the dim picture because it is dim. Not everyone who gets a new plasma set is a noob. I'm certainly not and you're right, 26ftl is very low unless you watch in a completely dark room and even then it's not, to me, very appetizing. It's dull and lacks even a reasonable degree of vibrancy.
post #215 of 1413
Dim to me means low light, washed out, no pop. My ST is dark and if not set right, crushes shadow detail giving the overall picture a dark look. Set properly, the dark blacks, deep colors and contrast makes the whites and colors seem brilliant, natural and the overall picture "pops". For the $500 range (now) you would be hard pressed to equal it. Is it as bright as a VT? No it isn't. Is a 42" or 46" lighting up a room like a 55" or 60"? No it isn't. It's all relative but I would not call the ST dim myself. Can it be overly dark? Yes.
post #216 of 1413
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

when you switch to MID it throws the baby out with the bath water, his settings no longer apply... at all... but if it looks good to you, it looks good to you.... but it is not to close to a reference picture at all... raising gamma and using black extender is a band aid approach.

that is my dilemma with the ST, i have not ordered it yet but i am used to using cinema on past panasonics, but do hope the ST is bright enough for me.

I LOWERED the GAMMA NOT RISED IT. AS LONG AS IT LOOKS GOOD TO MY EYES ITS FINE. LOW PANEL settings where two dim for me
post #217 of 1413
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

I LOWERED the GAMMA NOT RISED IT. AS LONG AS IT LOOKS GOOD TO MY EYES ITS FINE. LOW PANEL settings where two dim for me

the simple FACT remains, MID is inaccurate and can not be calibrated, and yes you set the gamma to 2.0, which if accurate gives unnatural shadow detail. but it looks good to you and that is what is important. however using D's settings with MID is pointless...
post #218 of 1413
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

the simple FACT remains, MID is inaccurate and can not be calibrated, and yes you set the gamma to 2.0, which if accurate gives unnatural shadow detail. but it looks good to you and that is what is important. however using D's settings with MID is pointless...

Please don't take this in the wrong way. While D-nice is certainly, by all accounts a highly skilled calibrator, it seems to me that the your opinions of the ST30 are based solely on his postings rather than your actual experience with the set. Why don't you take delivery on your ST30, use it for awhile and then form your own opinion about settings whether they are D's, your own or someone else's. The bottom line on the 2011 Pannys seems to be that the company dropped the ball somewhat on baseline color decoding and the Custom/mid settings. Once your set is prepped and up and running, you may love the low setting, or the Cinema mode. On the other hand, you may, like many of us, find that either of them leave much to be desired.
post #219 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

Please don't take this in the wrong way. While D-nice is certainly, by all accounts a highly skilled calibrator, it seems to me that the your opinions of the ST30 are based solely on his postings rather than your actual experience with the set. Why don't you take delivery on your ST30, use it for awhile and then form your own opinion about settings whether they are D's, your own or someone else's. The bottom line on the 2011 Pannys seems to be that the company dropped the ball somewhat on baseline color decoding and the Custom/mid settings. Once your set is prepped and up and running, you may love the low setting, or the Cinema mode. On the other hand, you may, like many of us, find that either of them leave much to be desired.

not taken the wrong way at all... and your right, i will have my 60 on the 1st (i hope) and i will see.

and yes panny dropped the ball with the mid and high panel settings and i am concerned about if i am gonna like it.

i am not the one wrapped up in d-nice settings, all im saying is that i see people saying i kept d-nice settings and switched the panel to mid and changed 2 settings, that makes no sense at all, because the starting point for mid is totally different than low panel brightness. ive seen the graphs for oob mid and they arent pretty.

so yeah i have at the moment a 42px80 and have liked it, i use cinema and like it. but i have never seen a graph of what it looks like.
post #220 of 1413
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post


i am not the one wrapped up in d-nice settings, all im saying is that i see people saying i kept d-nice settings and switched the panel to mid and changed 2 settings, that makes no sense at all, because the starting point for mid is totally different than low panel brightness. ive seen the graphs for oob mid and they arent pretty.

I'd love to see someone calibrate an St30 with mid using the Photo or Graphic mode. Over on HDJF, there have been several questions about Photo mode and why it seems to improve the image. Not one calibrator or the Panny rep who is there has responded publicly which I've found more than curious. It is a perfectly legitimate inquiry yet it has been completely ignored.
post #221 of 1413
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

I'd love to see someone calibrate an St30 with mid using the Photo or Graphic mode. Over on HDJF, there have been several questions about Photo mode and why it seems to improve the image. Not one calibrator or the Panny rep who is there has responded publicly which I've found more than curious. It is a perfectly legitimate inquiry yet it has been completely ignored.

yeah it really sucks that panny screwed up the MID panel setting... but how and why would they release it like that?

i tried LG first because of the problems with the panny's and sammy's but the LG's have FBr too or whatever you want to call it. i love panasonic but would have gone with a samsung but they have the brightness pops.... why does it have to be so hard to buy a tv?
post #222 of 1413
So mark 62 all this time you dont even have a st30 yet and you know what settings are best for the tv???
i use Cinema for blu-ray moives and custom for tv viewing
because cable stinks to start with because of there compressed channels and fbr on some shows
post #223 of 1413
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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

yeah it really sucks that panny screwed up the MID panel setting... but how and why would they release it like that?

i tried LG first because of the problems with the panny's and sammy's but the LG's have FBr too or whatever you want to call it. i love panasonic but would have gone with a samsung but they have the brightness pops.... why does it have to be so hard to buy a tv?

There was a time just before my 30 day Amazon return period expired at the end of May that I considered returning the 50St30 and getting a Samsung 51D7000 instead but for reasons that I can't really explain, I didn't. The fact that the Sammy was not sold by Amazon directly may have given me pause. Given the problems that I've had with my set and Panasonic's dishonesty in regard to its warranty, I now regret not doing so.
post #224 of 1413
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

So mark 62 all this time you dont even have a st30 yet and you know what settings are best for the tv???
i use Cinema for blu-ray moives and custom for tv viewing
because cable stinks to start with because of there compressed channels and fbr on some shows

true, dont tazz on me....i just know what i know, ive owned 5 HDTV's and i dont like what i read about the MID panel brightness. sorry i dont own it yet but more or less i am just concerned about liking the ST. sorry if i offended you... however i would not use black extender or 2.0 gamma, the black extender because it just aint something i would use, you should not have to use such things to have a good picture.
post #225 of 1413
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chancher View Post

Got my new 50ST30 yesterday. Will I have a problem if I run the D-nice panel prep slides, after I've already used the TV normally for about 5-10 hours or so? Any difference in settings after panel prep? Thx for any input.

Guys, this is not the thread to ask about D Nice settings. This is about do it yourself calibration of our ST30's.

That being said, I've got 1800+ hours on my panel and I still love it. Perhaps I just don't know any better, though, as this is my first plasma, first flat panel, first HD, and first non-CRT television I've ever owned.

Tech is coming today for A-board swap. I'm going to do the steps someone posted from the service manual to export and import my SM settings after the swap.
post #226 of 1413
Got a quick question guys. I am a big football guy and I notice that my settings in custom are a bit dull for football. When I switch to vivid it seems to be really bad but brighter. When I switch to game, it seems to be ideal for sports due to the brightness. The grass field at night is much brighter, and colors are popping, just how sports are meant to be watched but something is not right as well with the colors. Is there any way to get a brighter pop using my custom settings that can look good for all around viewing? Changing the HDMI to photo/graphic seems to wash out the picture to my eyes and doing the opposite of some pop. What do you guys do for sports? Thanks.
My settings are
Custom
Contrast 79
Brightness 54
Color 54
Tint +1
Sharpness +9
Color Temp Warm 1
Cats off
Video NR off

Pro Settings: I copied this I believe from Cal, not exactly sure though
Color space normal
High R +10
High G 0
High B +14
Low R +8
Low G 0
Low B +4
Black extension 0
Gamma 2.0
Panel Mid
Contour Off
AGC 0

Adv Picture settings:
Off
Off
Off
Light
Auto
post #227 of 1413
Is there a setting on the ST30 that doesn't have overscan? I was trying to help dial in my sister's panel and was hoping to find a "dot by dot" setting similar to my Kuro. All I could find was Full which seemed to overscan the picture. Did I overlook something?
post #228 of 1413
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

Is there a setting on the ST30 that doesn't have overscan? I was trying to help dial in my sister's panel and was hoping to find a "dot by dot" setting similar to my Kuro. All I could find was Full which seemed to overscan the picture. Did I overlook something?

yes it is size2 to in the aspect ratio menu in the picture settings, it is 1:1, size1 is 5% overscan.
post #229 of 1413
I enjoy the TV's picture - but is there a way to turn up the backlight in cinema mode? Cinema mode gives it the nicest tone, but its super dull. And trying to adjust the custom settings to get it like cinema is hard...
post #230 of 1413
I agree on the sports settings. I just got my panny 4 days ago and playing with different settings and not sure found the right ones yet. Sports have been a big disappointment just not that clear and crisp as on an LCD. Any thoughts or suggestions to improve a brighter source material like football? With the high refresh rate I thought football would be amazing on this tv.

thanks
post #231 of 1413
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Originally Posted by petes67bird View Post

Got a quick question guys. I am a big football guy and I notice that my settings in custom are a bit dull for football. When I switch to vivid it seems to be really bad but brighter. When I switch to game, it seems to be ideal for sports due to the brightness. The grass field at night is much brighter, and colors are popping, just how sports are meant to be watched but something is not right as well with the colors. Is there any way to get a brighter pop using my custom settings that can look good for all around viewing? Changing the HDMI to photo/graphic seems to wash out the picture to my eyes and doing the opposite of some pop. What do you guys do for sports? Thanks.

If you want to see what others are seeing using the HDMI Photo trick, you have to use the D-Nice settings for the WB cuts, tweak the Contrast up to the 80's and Brightness up to the 60's. Change color temp to Normal, panel brightness to Mid, HDMI content to Photo. Keep gamma setting on 2.2. You may have to back off the color setting to 42-44, your pref. Give it a try and see if that works for you.
post #232 of 1413
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Originally Posted by petes67bird View Post

Got a quick question guys. I am a big football guy and I notice that my settings in custom are a bit dull for football. When I switch to vivid it seems to be really bad but brighter. When I switch to game, it seems to be ideal for sports due to the brightness. The grass field at night is much brighter, and colors are popping, just how sports are meant to be watched but something is not right as well with the colors. Is there any way to get a brighter pop using my custom settings that can look good for all around viewing? Changing the HDMI to photo/graphic seems to wash out the picture to my eyes and doing the opposite of some pop. What do you guys do for sports?
Auto

I watch a lot of sports football and hockey I find these settings work.
Contrast-80
Brightness-55
Color-35
Tint-+1
Sharpness-+20
Color Tmp.-Normal
W/B High R -3
W/B High B -5
W/B Low R -3
W/B Low B -2
Gamma- 2.4
Panel Brightness- Mid
AGC- +1

The setting are from the James Cameron Avatar movie that Panasonic have on there web site. I changed the Panel from high to mid and added the AGC +1 it gives it that extra little brightness.
Good Luck.
post #233 of 1413
for 'gaming', on my LCD i prefer to stick the Temp to 'Cool' because it gives me brighter whites(actually they're pure white, pretty freaking beutiful and surreal actually).
Does the ST30 blast out some great looking whites when 'set' to cool?

I also need to keep in mind that because of my LCD's higher brightness it's also making the whites(along with color) seem more vibrant and gives everything more of a pop.
But that aside, the motion handeling and black levels are making me wish i would of went plasma, which i will be doing in the next couple of weeks once i go hands on with the 42" ST30 and LG PT350.

Buying an HDTV for gaming is so bloody tricky....If i were just into film, i'd go for a Plasma there's no question. I don't need that high extra LCD-like brightness for film, but for gaming it's pretty fatnastic.
Especially when you're playing titles like Super Mario Galaxy 2, Kirby's Epic Yarn ect ect. Anything that's cartoon-based, colorful and surreal that is.

But I'm willing to sacrifice that extra brightness as long as the ST30(or PT350) is at least as good as my CRT's brightness, while delivering superior motion, black levels and richer CRT-like colors compared to my current LCD.
post #234 of 1413
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Originally Posted by dazz87 View Post

I was able to fix the skin tone with switching hdmi content to photo. I am able to actually bump color up to 43 now. Before the change I had my color at 33 cause anything higher I will get that red flesh tone.

Here is something that is weird. For some reason when I switch panel brightness from Mild to High the picture does not get brighter. It stay the same. When I first got my "60 two weeks ago I noticed that there was a diff in brightness when switching between both but now both look the same. I try changing hdmi content back to default and still not diff between Mil and High. Anyone else?

My.setting
Custom
Contrast 78
Brightness 57
Color 43
Tint 0
Sharpness 0
Temp Normal
CATS off
Video NR off
Pro setting Normal everything 0
Black ext 3
Gamma 2.2
Panel Mid
Contour off
AGC 0


I know this post is a little older, so sorry if this has been mentioned before....

I just got my 60st30 last week and have been pretty happy with Cinema, but I decided to play with Custom. I agree that MID panel brightness really changes skin tones.....so I tried the HDMI photo setting and was amazed at how much better it got. However, when I compared it to Cinema I noticed that it didn't seem as bright as before. So I went in to change back to LOW to compare......and no change! On my set, July build, there is no change in panel brightness between LOW, MID, or HIGH when HDMI is set to photo. I turned off photo and the brightness of MID was back with messed up skin tones.............On my set, after testing this several times, it appears that Photo just turns the panel back to LOW no matter what it's set at........
post #235 of 1413
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Originally Posted by lifesun View Post

I know this post is a little older, so sorry if this has been mentioned before....

I just got my 60st30 last week and have been pretty happy with Cinema, but I decided to play with Custom. I agree that MID panel brightness really changes skin tones.....so I tried the HDMI photo setting and was amazed at how much better it got. However, when I compared it to Cinema I noticed that it didn't seem as bright as before. So I went in to change back to LOW to compare......and no change! On my set, July build, there is no change in panel brightness between LOW, MID, or HIGH when HDMI is set to photo. I turned off photo and the brightness of MID was back with messed up skin tones.............On my set, after testing this several times, it appears that Photo just turns the panel back to LOW no matter what it's set at........

Not on mine. Photo seems to makes the low setting a bit more lively but there is a clear difference between that and the mid and high settings. Mid has more contrast and pop than low while still evening out the color luminance and yielding better skin tones.
post #236 of 1413
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Originally Posted by hemmerce View Post

After fussing with various mid panel settings, the suggestions here to switch on "photo" for HDMI content started me on the right track to dial in the settings (by my eye). I found, though, that the HDMI content setting of "Photo", while addressing the ruddy skin tones also shifted red to a more crimson (perceived as a darker shade), which I confirmed using a red filter that came with my DVE disc. What I found is that the "graphics" setting for HDMI content may be ideal. Using the DVE color filters color decoding appeared nearly spot on and this setting also solved the ruddy skin tones like "photo" does. I hope this setting doesn't have some other effect, but so far I am stunned at how the picture looks. My settings:

Custom
C: 80
B: 52
Color: 52
Tint: 0

Pro:
Mid panel
D-nice settings for high/low
Black Ext and auto-gamma: off

HDMI settings:
Panel Size: 2
Content type: Graphics

Wanting to be a purist, I stuck with D-Nice's ST30 settings with LOW panel brightness all this time. I tried the settings above and fell in love.

Truly, if it looks good to you, enjoy it.
post #237 of 1413
Anyone mind explaining what you do to get the slides going for break in?
post #238 of 1413
Just skimmed through this entire thread and didn't see where anybody had actually calibrated their set using calibration software and a meter. Has anyone actually done this?
post #239 of 1413
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Originally Posted by wburdett View Post

I agree on the sports settings. I just got my panny 4 days ago and playing with different settings and not sure found the right ones yet. Sports have been a big disappointment just not that clear and crisp as on an LCD. Any thoughts or suggestions to improve a brighter source material like football? With the high refresh rate I thought football would be amazing on this tv.

thanks

Can anyone comment on this? I have an LED on the wall right now I'm undecided about. I'm taking delivery of my 55ST30 next WED and will be deciding between the two. Watching sports on the plasma was one of the biggest reasons I was considering a plasma at all. All I've heard is how much better fast action appears on a plasma.

As someone else mentioned above too, I love for my sports to POP!! I was really hoping to tweak the GAME mode for sports, use CUSTOM for regular day-time TV watching and CINEMA for movies at night.
post #240 of 1413
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Originally Posted by nlpearman View Post

Wanting to be a purist, I stuck with D-Nice's ST30 settings with LOW panel brightness all this time. I tried the settings above and fell in love.

Truly, if it looks good to you, enjoy it.

Woah on the settings in post #237!

I ran the 100 hours of slides, put in DNice's settings along with a number of others and was never blown away. Just plugged in these and am also now in love.

Only thing, where do I find "Panel Size 2" option?
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