AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › Panasonic ST30 DIY Calibration and Settings Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Panasonic ST30 DIY Calibration and Settings Thread - Page 31

post #901 of 1406
3/26/12 at 12:18am
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwiss View Post


I decided to use D-Nices settings for color as they were applicable for warm2 which is the closest to 6500K. I also reduced gamma to 2.4 as 2.6 added to much pop which overdid the colors.

Here are the changes to the above that make this set look the closest to my Pioneer 500M:

Contrast: 78
Brightness: 58
W/B High Red: +10
W/B High Green: 0
W/B High Blue: +10
W/B Low Red: +2
W/B Low Green: 0
W/B Low Blue: -8
Gamma: 2.4

The key to these settings to me are:

-Using Warm2 as it is closest to 6500K along with using D-Nices settings for those that followed his panel prep procedures.
-Using Mid panel brightness to add extra ftl.
-Having Sharpness at zero as these panels are overly sharp already based on test patterns.
-I decided not to use black extension as none of the professional calibrators used it for their settings. The THX optimizer shows 58 as the optimum setting for mid panel:high and gamma:2.4.
-Skin tones look very good based on analysis or various sources.

Again this thread is based on personal preference and these settings are the closest I have come with my 60ST30.

I tried your settings and asked my friend to come look at the TV, and as soon as she walked in, she said "I don't like it, it looks like a mesh screen was put over the camera compared to the previous settings. I also feel Jimmy's settings look much clearer and vibrant compared to these on my 60ST30.
Reply
Reply

AVS Top Picks

post #902 of 1406
3/26/12 at 7:20am
Quote:
Originally Posted by rlh2173 View Post

Well, there are different schools of thought about TV calibration these days. I spoke with someone who owns a High End Audio and Video dealership here in Vegas, and that person expressed that ISL Calibrators are very rare these days, like old dinosaurs, and that they provide calibrations for all their High end TV products, but their calibrator does it by eye.

That is absolutely pathetic if true and that person is quite ignorant of calibration and standards (not common amongst store owners by the way - I too have experienced this). SMPTE standards are not subject to different schools of thought. 6500K is not subjective. It's a science and can only be completely calibrated accurately with sufficient equipment and knowledge which is why the traveling calibrators on this forum are far more reputable than these Best Buy clowns as well as the place you mention. Having been on this forum for years as well as discussions with my own calibrator, more people than ever are getting ISF calibrations. Heck, even Best Buy is doing them now as mentioned (although I would stay away from them).
Reply
Reply
post #903 of 1406
3/26/12 at 9:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post


That is absolutely pathetic if true and that person is quite ignorant of calibration and standards (not common amongst store owners by the way - I too have experienced this). SMPTE standards are not subject to different schools of thought. 6500K is not subjective. It's a science and can only be completely calibrated accurately with sufficient equipment and knowledge which is why the traveling calibrators on this forum are far more reputable than these Best Buy clowns as well as the place you mention. Having been on this forum for years as well as discussions with my own calibrator, more people than ever are getting ISF calibrations. Heck, even Best Buy is doing them now as mentioned (although I would stay away from them).

I have to agree with David on this. BTW Rus, D-Nice said he could be in Vegas if a few of you were interested. Also Chad is not far away. If you can find the money, you would be more than pleased with a full ISF calibration by either of these guys. They will be working on your TV for 3 to 4 hours, so it's not a go by the eyes deal.
Reply
Reply
post #904 of 1406
3/26/12 at 10:09am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

I have to agree with David on this. BTW Rus, D-Nice said he could be in Vegas if a few of you were interested. Also Chad is not far away. If you can find the money, you would be more than pleased with a full ISF calibration by either of these guys. They will be working on your TV for 3 to 4 hours, so it's not a go by the eyes deal.

I'll second the recommendation for Chad_B he has done two of my plasmas and did a fantastic through professional job. Any one that is doing calibrations by eye is not doing a great job I would guess. Grayscale from everything I know can only be calibrated with a meter.
Reply
Reply
post #905 of 1406
3/26/12 at 10:53am
Quote:
Originally Posted by chunon View Post

I'll second the recommendation for Chad_B he has done two of my plasmas and did a fantastic through professional job. Any one that is doing calibrations by eye is not doing a great job I would guess. Grayscale from everything I know can only be calibrated with a meter.

Chad B is outstanding. He's calibrated three different displays of mine over the last seven years.
Reply
Reply
post #906 of 1406
3/26/12 at 11:21am
X-Rite i1Display 2 is a pretty good deal at B+H right now. I realize this is a lower end meter but seems to be pretty good. The eye 1 pro 3 is more than double.

What do you all think of this meter? Will it be a good choice for my first meter? Will it be a good choice for calibrating the 55st30?
Reply
Reply
post #907 of 1406
3/26/12 at 12:06pm
So on my 50ST30 I am using this for a little more pop:

Picture mode: Custom
Contrast: +78-80
Brightness: +60-62
Color: +48
Tint: -3-4
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Normal or Warm1

Black extension: 3-4
Gamma adjustment: 2.2
Panel brightness: Med

Content Type: Graphics

I worked with gremmy and jimmy's settings along with the Disney Wow disk. These settings work well on my set. I find that I have to adjust the color level and temperature depending on the source material. Some movies just don't have a lot of pop so I prefer a higher color setting and warm1 to bring the picture alive. Some cable programmings seems too boosted so a normal temperature and the color dialed back to the low 40's looks better. Also if the picture is too dark I will dial back black extension to 3 to reduce crushing. These settings aren't perfect, but when I get it dialed in for each movie most other people prefer the look of this to cinema though I also get yelled at to stop messing with the controls so we can just watch the damn movie, hahaha
Reply
Reply
post #908 of 1406
3/26/12 at 1:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

That is absolutely pathetic if true and that person is quite ignorant of calibration and standards (not common amongst store owners by the way - I too have experienced this). SMPTE standards are not subject to different schools of thought. 6500K is not subjective. It's a science and can only be completely calibrated accurately with sufficient equipment and knowledge which is why the traveling calibrators on this forum are far more reputable than these Best Buy clowns as well as the place you mention. Having been on this forum for years as well as discussions with my own calibrator, more people than ever are getting ISF calibrations. Heck, even Best Buy is doing them now as mentioned (although I would stay away from them).

Yes, I would be interested in a professional calibration for this new 60ST30 Panasonic Plasma, but unfortunately I am not involved in other people's TV situations or have friends in similar circumstances as myself. I had a LG plasma I bought a couple years ago at that same High End Audio/Video Store, Premier Home Entertainment, and asked for a calibration for that TV, which cost $100, and when their service rep came over I expected some use of electronic equipment, but he just wanted my remote and commenced to calibrate the TV by eye. I was like WTF, and rather disappointed. I no longer have that LG Plasma and now have the Panny, a Samsung LED, and a Sony LCD. I remember going to Costco and talking to a rep there about TVs, and he informed me he had a Kuro and he never calibrated it. I thought to myself, wow, that is crazy, having all that TV and not make sure it is running in tip top shape.
Reply
Reply
post #909 of 1406
3/26/12 at 1:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

I have to agree with David on this. BTW Rus, D-Nice said he could be in Vegas if a few of you were interested. Also Chad is not far away. If you can find the money, you would be more than pleased with a full ISF calibration by either of these guys. They will be working on your TV for 3 to 4 hours, so it's not a go by the eyes deal.

Yes, D-Nice has already given me this option, but unfortunately I don't know of 2 other folks interested in having their TV calibrated.
Reply
Reply
post #910 of 1406
3/26/12 at 1:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post

So on my 50ST30 I am using this for a little more pop:

Picture mode: Custom
Contrast: +78-80
Brightness: +60-62
Color: +48
Tint: -3-4
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Normal or Warm1

Black extension: 3-4
Gamma adjustment: 2.2
Panel brightness: Med

Content Type: Graphics

I worked with gremmy and jimmy's settings along with the Disney Wow disk. These settings work well on my set. I find that I have to adjust the color level and temperature depending on the source material. Some movies just don't have a lot of pop so I prefer a higher color setting and warm1 to bring the picture alive. Some cable programmings seems too boosted so a normal temperature and the color dialed back to the low 40's looks better. Also if the picture is too dark I will dial back black extension to 3 to reduce crushing. These settings aren't perfect, but when I get it dialed in for each movie most other people prefer the look of this to cinema though I also get yelled at to stop messing with the controls so we can just watch the damn movie, hahaha

I can tell these settings with be similar to what I have now, I can see going that far down on the brighteness even thou I have not, but I am down to 69. Also, I agree sharpness probably can go down was well, but I have tried this and did not see any more positive effects.
Reply
Reply
post #911 of 1406
3/26/12 at 1:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rlh2173 View Post


Yes, D-Nice has already given me this option, but unfortunately I don't know of 2 other folks interested in having their TV calibrated.

Not saying you have to get a calibration if you really like your PQ now. I thought my THX preset on the VT was supreme, and I was replacing a Pioneer Elite Pro. I did get D-Nice to calibrated it though and as I said before, my jaw dropped when he was done. This is what I've been comparing my ST to. If you are really, really interested in him. Try to get some communication going on with him, see what can be worked out. I got him returning home from a trip. Maybe he will see this. A night in LV might work. Smiling
Reply
Reply
post #912 of 1406
3/26/12 at 2:08pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post


Not saying you have to get a calibration if you really like your PQ now. I thought my THX preset on the VT was supreme, and I was replacing a Pioneer Elite Pro. I did get D-Nice to calibrated it though and as I said before, my jaw dropped when he was done. This is what I've been comparing my ST to. If you are really, really interested in him. Try to get some communication going on with him, see what can be worked out. I got him returning home from a trip. Maybe he will see this. A night in LV might work. Smiling

Yes, Jimmy I remember your comments indicating that you got your ST looking as good as your VT that D-Nice calibrated, gave me confidence that my ST was looking good. So, I have not been in so much anxiety over getting it to look better.
Reply
Reply
post #913 of 1406
3/27/12 at 7:35am
Quote:
Originally Posted by chunon View Post

I'll second the recommendation for Chad_B he has done two of my plasmas and did a fantastic through professional job. Any one that is doing calibrations by eye is not doing a great job I would guess. Grayscale from everything I know can only be calibrated with a meter.

I am wondering if anyone knows someone or can refer me to someone in the Orlando, FL area that is good?
Reply
Reply
post #914 of 1406
3/27/12 at 7:36am
Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloxer13 View Post

So on my 50ST30 I am using this for a little more pop:

Picture mode: Custom
Contrast: +78-80
Brightness: +60-62
Color: +48
Tint: -3-4
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Normal or Warm1

Black extension: 3-4
Gamma adjustment: 2.2
Panel brightness: Med

Content Type: Graphics

I worked with gremmy and jimmy's settings along with the Disney Wow disk. These settings work well on my set. I find that I have to adjust the color level and temperature depending on the source material. Some movies just don't have a lot of pop so I prefer a higher color setting and warm1 to bring the picture alive. Some cable programmings seems too boosted so a normal temperature and the color dialed back to the low 40's looks better. Also if the picture is too dark I will dial back black extension to 3 to reduce crushing. These settings aren't perfect, but when I get it dialed in for each movie most other people prefer the look of this to cinema though I also get yelled at to stop messing with the controls so we can just watch the damn movie, hahaha

What does changing the content type to graphics do for the image? I haven't seemed to notice an impact myself. Maybe I am not looking for the right thing.
Reply
Reply
post #915 of 1406
3/27/12 at 7:56am
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post

I am wondering if anyone knows someone or can refer me to someone in the Orlando, FL area that is good?

Have you checked the Display calibration thread ? There is a sticky for calibrators to post, Chad B does tours and I believe DNICE does also.
Reply
Reply
post #916 of 1406
3/27/12 at 9:12am
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post


What does changing the content type to graphics do for the image? I haven't seemed to notice an impact myself. Maybe I am not looking for the right thing.

Go to off first, then to graphics, toggle to photo, you should see a softness to the picture on graphics compared to photo. For some reason once you are on auto or photo, then toggle to graphics, you see no change. I had a problem with that also. The graphics settings evens out the color, gamma and thus a more accurate picture. Photo may appear to have a little more pop but with a sacrifice to color accuracy. So I have read. I'm not a meter guy but my eyes report a favorable PQ.
Reply
Reply
post #917 of 1406
3/27/12 at 9:53am
Yes, Graphics is more accurate - at least for my calibration.
Reply
Reply
post #918 of 1406
3/27/12 at 11:07am
Quote:
Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Have you checked the Display calibration thread ? There is a sticky for calibrators to post, Chad B does tours and I believe DNICE does also.

Thanks, I will do that!
Reply
Reply
post #919 of 1406
3/27/12 at 11:09am
These mid settings work for me, however, I will say that cinema or similar settings I came up with on low panel brightness look more accurate and realistic when I am in bat-cave mode at night. Some movies just have very bland colors and I will switch to the mid settings for more pop. It is nice to have options.

One thing I have noticed in reading through this thread is that a 42" tunes differently than a 50" which is different than a 60" etc. Many people have similar settings, but it seems as though you really need to fine tune your own set to your liking. A lot of people posted settings that gave me a good starting point, but I was able to improve the picture working with a WoW disk and tuning to get facial color to look right on my particular set.
Reply
Reply
post #920 of 1406
3/28/12 at 5:54pm
I spent more time with the WoW blue filter and while in Bat-Cave mode for movie watching, this looks the most accurate on my ST30:

Picture mode: Custom
Contrast: +82
Brightness: +55
Color: +50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Normal

Black extension: 0
Gamma adjustment: 2.2
Panel brightness: Low
Reply
Reply
post #921 of 1406
3/28/12 at 7:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by gremmy View Post

Yes, I was referring to you. Sorry I missed that. I remember reading about the HCFR fork, but didn't realize you were going to keep the meter.

So how did your measurements come out?

I finally did my first calibration using the i1Display3 (i1Display Pro) and it's definitely an improvement... the best my display (P60ST30) has looked since I purchased it last September. One area that surprised me... several of the color settings I'm using now are completely different than those from DNice.

DNice Recommended...
W/B High R.......... +10
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... +10
W/B Low R........... +2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

Calibration...
W/B High R.......... +12
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... -19
W/B Low R........... -2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

I'll post before and after graphs as soon as I can.
Reply
Reply
post #922 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:03pm
Before & After Graphs
CIE Diagrams
Color Temp
LL
LL
LL
LL
Reply
Reply
post #923 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:05pm
Before & After Graphs
Gamma
Luminence
LL
LL
LL
LL
Reply
Reply
post #924 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post


I finally did my first calibration using the i1Display3 (i1Display Pro) and it's definitely an improvement... the best my display (P60ST30) has looked since I purchased it last September. One area that surprised me... several of the color settings I'm using now are completely different than those from DNice.

DNice Recommended...
W/B High R.......... +10
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... +10
W/B Low R........... +2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

Calibration...
W/B High R.......... +12
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... -19
W/B Low R........... -2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

I'll post before and after graphs as soon as I can.

Wow, thanks for this input. I tried it and it looks really nice. I recommend that Jimmy and CareyP try changing these settings. I think these settings gives an even greater richer look, but the blacks are beautiful with these changes.
Reply
Reply
post #925 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post


I finally did my first calibration using the i1Display3 (i1Display Pro) and it's definitely an improvement... the best my display (P60ST30) has looked since I purchased it last September. One area that surprised me... several of the color settings I'm using now are completely different than those from DNice.

DNice Recommended...
W/B High R.......... +10
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... +10
W/B Low R........... +2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

Calibration...
W/B High R.......... +12
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... -19
W/B Low R........... -2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

I'll post before and after graphs as soon as I can.

I am now curious with what your other settings look like.
Reply
Reply
post #926 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:10pm
Before & After Graphs
RGB Levels
Gray Scale
LL
LL
LL
LL
Reply
Reply
post #927 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post


I finally did my first calibration using the i1Display3 (i1Display Pro) and it's definitely an improvement... the best my display (P60ST30) has looked since I purchased it last September. One area that surprised me... several of the color settings I'm using now are completely different than those from DNice.

DNice Recommended...
W/B High R.......... +10
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... +10
W/B Low R........... +2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

Calibration...
W/B High R.......... +12
W/B High G.......... 0
W/B High B.......... -19
W/B Low R........... -2
W/B Low G........... 0
W/B Low B........... -8

I'll post before and after graphs as soon as I can.

Do you have your black extension set to 0?
Reply
Reply
post #928 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:43pm
The Before graphs were taken with the settings I had been using for some time.

When it came time to calibrate, I first reset Custom mode to it's default settings... which apparently doesn't change everything. I kept HDMI on Graphics and made sure CATS, all the various Noise Reductions and Motion Smoother were all Off. I noticed Contrast was 100 and Brightness was 50, which was their default settings, and left them there.

Color Temp is much better... hard to believe it was that far off.
Gamma is a little better but not sure how to fix the upper end.
Blue was too high... probably the biggest problem with my colors.

Note sure what to think about these...
Contrast is still at its default setting of +100 (calibration didn't require me to change it)
Color is still at its default setting of +50 (can this be used somehow within the calibration?)
Sharpness is still at its default setting of +50
Reply
Reply
post #929 of 1406
3/28/12 at 8:46pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rlh2173 View Post

Do you have your black extension set to 0?

Yepperoni
Reply
Reply
post #930 of 1406
3/28/12 at 9:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

Contrast is still at its default setting of +100 (calibration didn't require me to change it)

In Custom, there's no change in Contrast after 85 whatsoever.
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays

AVS Top Picks

AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › Panasonic ST30 DIY Calibration and Settings Thread