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post #151 of 581
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Originally Posted by Qaq View Post

It does - check the options carefully. But better set your TV to PC level.

madvr has a tv levels setting but according to madshi you need to enable rgb full within graphics card settings.

Tong Chia - If madvr requires rgb full, then why does it bother to even have a tv levels setting?
post #152 of 581
Another question that I have. (Still waiting for my five day period to pass before I can post on doom9).

See madshi's comments today:

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Do you have a meter to measure your display? That's a requirement if you want madVR/yCMS to calibrate your display.

I don't quite understand yCMS. If one has a professionally calibrated pc, why would you need it?
post #153 of 581
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Just a question: madVR uses CUDA?

It does. You can use CoreAVC or LAV CUVID Decoder
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Originally Posted by riverhawk79 View Post

madvr has a tv levels setting but according to madshi you need to enable rgb full within graphics card settings.

Tong Chia - If madvr requires rgb full, then why does it bother to even have a tv levels setting?

madVR gives a choise to a user depending on TV possibilities.
post #154 of 581
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Originally Posted by Qaq View Post

It does. You can use CoreAVC or LAV CUVID Decoder

I know those 2 video decoders use CUDA. But my understanding was that madVR uses GPU Shaders, which I take as shader model 4 or 5 (DX10 or DX11). According to the doom9 madvr thread title post by madshi: "all work is done via GPU shaders".

So it will "switch" to CUDA then when using a CUDA enabled video decoder? Thanks.
post #155 of 581
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

I know those 2 video decoders use CUDA. But my understanding was that madVR uses GPU Shaders, which I take as Shader model 4 or 5.0 (DX10 or DX11). According to the the doom9 madvr thread title post by madshi: "all work is done via GPU shaders".

So it will "switch" to CUDA then when using a CUDA enabled video decoder? Thanks.

No. The stuff you're referring to is post processing. This is after the frame is already decoded. madVR doesn't care how the decoder does that. CUDA, HAM, software...doesn't matter. As long as madVR recieves the decoded frame in system memory, it can then use the GPU shaders for post processing.
post #156 of 581
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Originally Posted by riverhawk79 View Post

I don't quite understand yCMS. If one has a professionally calibrated pc, why would you need it?

If your display lacks the CMS controls needed to adjust the primary/secondary colors then you can use yCMS/MadVR to get them corrected.
post #157 of 581
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

No. The stuff you're referring to is post processing. This is after the frame is already decoded. madVR doesn't care how the decoder does that. CUDA, HAM, software...doesn't matter. As long as madVR recieves the decoded frame in system memory, it can then use the GPU shaders for post processing.

Exactly, just like I thought ...
post #158 of 581
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Originally Posted by Tong Chia View Post

Are you able to see the sub selection options in MPC-HC when you load the clip.
If you can, it suggests a rendering problem if not it may be an issue with the splitter.

I assume that you get subs with EVR, is that correct?

Yes, I get subs with EVR...

When madVR is used, the subtitle option is greyed out when I right click on MPC-HC while playing a file.
If I go to file - loadsubtitle, I get a pop up window telling me to change the renderer...
post #159 of 581
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

Before you do that, and this is stupid question time as I'm infamous for, did you make sure that you disabled the MPC-HC splitter on the internal filters page for the content you're trying to play? Personally I do a build of MPC-HC that contains *NO* internal filters so that I never have to worry about nonsense like this. It's great for testing.

Thanks,

I removed everything as you've suggested, but still no subs...

With EVR, subs work flawlessly...

I do hope I get subs after reformatting my HTPC... otherwise I'll be done with madVR for good... excellent image output or not...
post #160 of 581
Help me understand why controlling subtitles via remote is such a big deal. I just don't get it personally.

I rarely use or need subtitles and as long as when I do need them I can turn them on and off with the mouse and/or keyboard I am happy.

To me subtitle via remote control is about the 30th most important thing that I want my HTPC to be able to do.
post #161 of 581
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Originally Posted by balky View Post

Thanks,

I removed everything as you've suggested, but still no subs...

With EVR, subs work flawlessly...

I do hope I get subs after reformatting my HTPC... otherwise I'll be done with madVR for good... excellent image output or not...

I can tell you that I have subs working quite nicely with madVR, so, it can definitely be done. With MPC-HC, it's even easier as you can use the internal sub renderer (well, usually....except, apparently, in your case ). I'm not using MPC-HC as my main player these days so I have to use ffdshow raw video filter until my player of choice adds sub support. I really wish I knew what was going on in your situation.
post #162 of 581
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Help me understand why controlling subtitles via remote is such a big deal. I just don't get it personally.

I rarely use or need subtitles and as long as when I do need them I can turn them on and off with the mouse and/or keyboard I am happy.

To me subtitle via remote control is about the 30th most important thing that I want my HTPC to be able to do.

From time to time you run across a scene where the dialog is drowned out by the explosions. It's nice to quickly toggle them on and off.
post #163 of 581
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

From time to time you run across a scene where the dialog is drowned out by the explosions. It's nice to quickly toggle them on and off.

I would think that's a pretty rare scene. Usually during the explosions there isn't much talking going on.
post #164 of 581
I find myself turning them on from time to time, particularly when its late and I don't want to risk waking anyone up.
post #165 of 581
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Originally Posted by brianley View Post

I find myself turning them on from time to time, particularly when its late and I don't want to risk waking anyone up.

It takes literally 5 seconds to do this by remote and keyboard.
post #166 of 581
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Exactly, just like I thought ...

Yeah, I meant not that madVR uses CUDA, but decoder does, of course.
post #167 of 581
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

It takes literally 5 seconds to do this by remote and keyboard.

yes, I do it by remote. Why would I want to reach over and grab the keyboard, look down and find the correct key when I can simply push a button on my remote without looking away from the screen?
post #168 of 581
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Originally Posted by brianley View Post

yes, I do it by remote. Why would I want to reach over and grab the keyboard, look down and find the correct key when I can simply push a button on my remote without looking away from the screen?

I know. That sounds sooooo inconvenient.
post #169 of 581
Hey folks. Is there a small guide for how to set this all up in MPC-HC? I was expecting to see something on the first page, but maybe I skimmed past it. I think I have everything set up correctly, but I just want to be sure. Here are the filters I see when playing a blu-ray:

post #170 of 581
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I know. That sounds sooooo inconvenient.

I guess I'm just I'm a firm believer in the 10' interface rule. When I go in to watch movies, I only use the remote. More importantly, I want my system to be easy for anyone to use, not just me. Would a relative or a guest (or god forbid, a parent) be able to easily use your system if you weren't there? That's the kind of ease of use one needs to strive for if HTPCs are ever going to move out of the niche market - just my opinion of course...
post #171 of 581
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Originally Posted by adrift View Post

Hey folks. Is there a small guide for how to set this all up in MPC-HC? I was expecting to see something on the first page, but maybe I skimmed past it. I think I have everything set up correctly, but I just want to be sure. Here are the filters I see when playing a blu-ray:


You have it setup correctly - more importantly, do you notice any difference?
post #172 of 581
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Originally Posted by brianley View Post

I guess I'm just I'm a firm believer in the 10' interface rule. When I go in to watch movies, I only use the remote. More importantly, I want my system to be easy for anyone to use, not just me. Would a relative or a guest (or god forbid, a parent) be able to easily use your system if you weren't there? That's the kind of ease of use one needs to strive for if HTPCs are ever going to move out of the niche market - just my opinion of course...

Again subtitles to me aren't a deal breaker. They just aren't important and I might use them once a year if that.

But like you said to each his own.
post #173 of 581
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Originally Posted by brianley View Post

You have it setup correctly - more importantly, do you notice any difference?

Unless I'm imagining things, it appears so. After firing up an mkv, it seems to play very very smoothly. Like, the 20th Century Fox title intro looked as smooth as glass. I did a side by side with VLC and even the color seems richer looking. Also, when reducing the size of each player I noticed small jaggies in VLC that I didn't see with the MPC setup. I also played some basketball video that someone mentioned in another thread, and it plays almost flawlessly (a couple tiny pauses here and there). Playing that same video in another player produces choppiness and artifacts.

What exactly am I seeing? I have a vague idea that something is happening to the frame rate, but I'm not sure I completely understand?

A few more questions...

Is this the preferred way of viewing bluray content (other than say, PowerDVD and TMT5) or just media files on one's hard drive?

While playing a file I notice that my receiver is set in MCH PCM 5.1 mode, which I assume means that audio processing is being handled by the player rather than the receiver. Is that optimal or is there a way to get the receiver to handle audio?

What exactly is Reclock. I hear a lot people talking about it.

Sorry if these questions are really basic, this just seems pretty awesome and I want to make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else.
post #174 of 581
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Originally Posted by adrift View Post

Unless I'm imagining things, it appears so. After firing up an mkv, it seems to play very very smoothly. Like, the 20th Century Fox title intro looked as smooth as glass. I did a side by side with VLC and even the color seems richer looking. Also, when reducing the size of each player I noticed small jaggies in VLC that I didn't see with the MPC setup. I also played some basketball video that someone mentioned in another thread, and it plays almost flawlessly (a couple tiny pauses here and there). Playing that same video in another player produces choppiness and artifacts.

What exactly am I seeing? I have a vague idea that something is happening to the frame rate, but I'm not sure I completely understand?

A few more questions...

Is this the preferred way of viewing bluray content (other than say, PowerDVD and TMT5) or just media files on one's hard drive?

While playing a file I notice that my receiver is set in MCH PCM 5.1 mode, which I assume means that audio processing is being handled by the player rather than the receiver. Is that optimal or is there a way to get the receiver to handle audio?

What exactly is Reclock. I hear a lot people talking about it.

Sorry if these questions are really basic, this just seems pretty awesome and I want to make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else.

Only a few players support MadVR (MPC-HC, JRiver Media Center, Pot Player?, not sure what else) so if you want to use the MadVR renderer, then yes, this is the preferred way of viewing bluray content.

By default, Lav Audio will decode all audio streams. Double click on it under External Filters in MPC-HC and place checkmarks in those audio formats you want to bitstream to your receiver.

Reclock is a audio renderer that circumvents Windows mixer (or whatever its called now in Windows 7) and allows you to send bitperfect / untouched audio to your receiver. It can also help with judder by adjusting the playback speed to match the refresh rate of your monitor.
post #175 of 581
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Originally Posted by brianley View Post

Only a few players support MadVR (MPC-HC, JRiver Media Center, Pot Player?, not sure what else) so if you want to use the MadVR renderer, then yes, this is the preferred way of viewing bluray content.

By default, Lav Audio will decode all audio streams. Double click on it under External Filters in MPC-HC and place checkmarks in those audio formats you want to bitstream to your receiver.

Reclock is a audio renderer that circumvents Windows mixer (or whatever its called now in Windows 7) and allows you to send bitperfect / untouched audio to your receiver. It can also help with judder by adjusting the playback speed to match the refresh rate of your monitor.

Awesome. I appreciate your help!
post #176 of 581
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Again subtitles to me aren't a deal breaker. They just aren't important and I might use them once a year if that.

But like you said to each his own.

Methinks somebody doesn't watch enough Kurosawa and Bergman films.
post #177 of 581
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Originally Posted by NewOrlnsDukie View Post

Methinks somebody doesn't watch enough Kurosawa and Bergman films.

Doesn't everyone speak Japanese and Swedish?
post #178 of 581
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Originally Posted by balky View Post

Yes, I get subs with EVR...

When madVR is used, the subtitle option is greyed out when I right click on MPC-HC while playing a file.
If I go to file - loadsubtitle, I get a pop up window telling me to change the renderer...

I am using embedded subtitiles with MadVR. You could try muxing the
subtitles into the clips.

Another option is to load directvobsub as a preferred filter.
post #179 of 581
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Originally Posted by riverhawk79 View Post

madvr has a tv levels setting but according to madshi you need to enable rgb full within graphics card settings.

Tong Chia - If madvr requires rgb full, then why does it bother to even have a tv levels setting?

Some TVs only accept only limited rgb
post #180 of 581
Be careful using ReClock with madVR. madVR handles fps directly from source, but Reclock changes fps speed trying to get it 1:1 with display refrash rate. As result picture looks smooth, but you can see a lot of dropped frames in madVR's OSD. I mostly prefer to bitstream packed audio streams to AVR, but for unpacked I use decode>ReClock>WASAPI chain. So I set ReClock to keep original fps source speed to avoid frame drops in madVR.
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