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post #241 of 581
6/10/11 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post

There are many people that do this not because of money, rather just because they like doing it.

The above quote is why I have donated to Nevcairiel (and other dev's), but would never even consider buying or recommending such things as assassin's guide(s) which are obvious money making ventures built on the backs of others information sharing.
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post #242 of 581
6/10/11 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by Shark007 View Post

The above quote is why I have donated to Nevcairiel (and other dev's), but would never even consider buying or recommending such things as assassin's guide(s) which are obvious money making ventures built on the backs of others information sharing.

That's a pretty interesting comment since you have no idea what is even in my guides.
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post #243 of 581
6/10/11 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

Why should someone take the time to research how to set it all up for you? You want a guide because this info is not readily available in one place. But you want someone else to do the work for you of putting it all together.

If you feel a guide should be here you should make one.

Thats basically my thoughts as well. I feel like I do my part providing my free hardware guide.

And its not like I am getting rich on charging for the 30+ guides on my blog.
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post #244 of 581
6/10/11 at 7:05am
Walking the streets is free, but if you want an guide you have to pay for it. Or you may just bother people around with lots of questions.
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post #245 of 581
6/10/11 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

Why should someone take the time to research how to set it all up for you? You want a guide because this info is not readily available in one place. But you want someone else to do the work for you of putting it all together.

If you feel a guide should be here you should make one.

I think you started this thread..I didn't ask for one stop shop. If you follow Doom's you shouldn't be asking this...

I think I made mistake by crapping this thread.. let's get back to point and keep sharing our thoughts.. for free
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post #246 of 581
6/10/11 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by sspatil View Post

let's get back to point and keep sharing our thoughts.. for free

Thoughts seem empty... have one?
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post #247 of 581
6/10/11 at 7:23am
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Yah I started the thread asking for a guide, if one was out there. But I didn't tell someone they needed to bring their work here and offer it for free.

Anyways like you said back on topic. I got Lav set up and it seems to be working great. Madvr looks nice as well. I wish I could do a perfect side by side test with a split screen and the movie at the exact same time. Tried to do it manually but it was kind of a pain.
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post #248 of 581
6/10/11 at 7:28am
I don't have a problem with you charging for services, but the advertising in a discussion forum is starting to get annoying. I cringe every time I see a comment such as "yea I figured it out, you can read about it in my guide on my blog."
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post #249 of 581
6/10/11 at 8:05am
if our tv is not capable to handle FullRGB via HDMI (everything seems to be too dark and a lot of clouding)
what are the alternatives?
to connect it with DVI to pc input?
or to set our cards pixel format to an another format ? eg Rgb limited or YCbCr 4:4:2/4:4:4
or set madshi to tv levels?
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post #250 of 581
6/10/11 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by riverhawk79 View Post

I don't have a problem with you charging for services, but the advertising in a discussion forum is starting to get annoying. I cringe every time I see a comment such as "yea I figured it out, you can read about it in my guide on my blog."

I try not to do this unless it in one of my threads about the subject.

But that's a fair criticism and I respect your opinion.
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post #251 of 581
6/10/11 at 8:22am
Just an FYI one issue that I ran into...

I use a 64 bit OS. You need to have BOTH 32 and 64 bit versions of LAV installed however you should ONLY install the 32b bit version of MPC-HC and Madvr.

As you know Madvr only comes in 32 bit. That is why you need the 32 bit version of MPC-HC only.

Again all of this works fine on a 64 bit OS.
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post #252 of 581
6/10/11 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

if our tv is not capable to handle FullRGB via HDMI (everything seems to be too dark and a lot of clouding)
what are the alternatives?

First say what are the options you have for HDMI input?
If it's too dark, try to change Black level (in Color menu). If you can't, change madVR to 16-235. Don't even try YCbCr in the driver unless you're going to try TMT. Keep FullRGB in the driver for any case.
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post #253 of 581
6/10/11 at 9:46am
as long as i have no option for HDMi input
i will set madVR to 16-235
that is the only possible solution
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post #254 of 581
6/10/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

if our tv is not capable to handle FullRGB via HDMI (everything seems to be too dark and a lot of clouding)
what are the alternatives?
to connect it with DVI to pc input?
or to set our cards pixel format to an another format ? eg Rgb limited or YCbCr 4:4:2/4:4:4
or set madshi to tv levels?

Try to adjust the brightness (black levels). Win7/Vista has the required tests built in.

Take a look at your TV's menu setting and see if there is a setting for Gamma. The correct value for NTSC (US,Japan) is 2.2 not sure abut PAL (Europe/Asia)

Using 4:4:4 or full RGB makes the problem worse if you have a limited RGB or YUV 4:2:2 input on your TV.


MadVR is not the best place to make these adjustments if you want other players that use another renderer (EVR,VMC etc) to work such as WMC.
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post #255 of 581
6/10/11 at 11:00am
Is it true that none of the NVidia cards work with 88.2 kHz and 176.4 kHz audio files? I have lots of these, including multichannel flies that I need HDMI to play in exclusive mode. If I must stick with AMD, what is the best video decoder that works with MadVR? I'm wondering whether I should buy PowerDVD 11 to get the Cyberlink HAM decoder.
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post #256 of 581
6/10/11 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Here is a free guide. I don't use everything exactly like in the guide, but it was pretty good overall for learning the software etc.

http://www.homecinema-hd.com/intro_en.html

This is a pretty good guide but it expects that you are using ffdshow (which this thread is not). But I followed the guide anyway (installed the Home Cinema PackLite (Reclock, MadVR, MadFlac, LAVsplitter, ffdshow, and MPC-HC)).

Everything is working but I don't know what all of the settings do. I have also read Renethx's guide and spent some time on the Doom9 forum but seems most everyone at Doom is more or less an expert in this stuff - and the guides I come across are always outdated (which can happen in just a few weeks at the rate these programs are being written/updated).

I wouldn't mind paying for a guide - as long the the provider keeps it updated.

So in the meantime where do I go to learn how this stuff works?
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post #257 of 581
6/10/11 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

Using CyberLink Video Decoder of PDVD11 outside PDVD11 is straightforward: register CLCvd.ax in the folder C:\\Program Files\\CyberLink\\PowerDVD11\\Common\\VideoFilter by regsvr32.exe.

I see both CLCvd.ax and CLCvd_HBD.ax in the VideoFilter folder. Rather than keeping the entire folder, I wanted to just grab the required files. Do you know if CLCvd_HBD.ax is also required for HAM decoding? I guess HBD might stand for hardware-based-decoding or HAM-based-decoding.
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post #258 of 581
6/10/11 at 12:19pm
It's hard to identify the minimum files for CyberLink Video Decoder to work. Just grabbing the two files CLCvd.ax and CLCvd_HBD.ax is not enough. Maybe "codec packers" know it very well?
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post #259 of 581
6/10/11 at 12:22pm
I always just take the Video Filters dir as a whole and that seems to work. I've never bothered to try to narrow it down.
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post #260 of 581
6/10/11 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by CountryBumkin View Post

This is a pretty good guide but it expects that you are using ffdshow (which this thread is not). But I followed the guide anyway (installed the Home Cinema PackLite (Reclock, MadVR, MadFlac, LAVsplitter, ffdshow, and MPC-HC)).

Everything is working but I don't know what all of the settings do. I have also read Renethx's guide and spent some time on the Doom9 forum but seems most everyone at Doom is more or less an expert in this stuff - and the guides I come across are always outdated (which can happen in just a few weeks at the rate these programs are being written/updated).

I wouldn't mind paying for a guide - as long the the provider keeps it updated.

So in the meantime where do I go to learn how this stuff works?

Yeah I only used the guide to learn how to configure everything. I use ffdshow for all my video decoding and to setup 2.0 and 5.1 channel audio setups (for when I use headphones or the 2.0 speakers on my TV) and the YADIF deinterlacing filter, no other settings. I use Lav Audio to decode all audio.

The guide hasn't been updated in a while.
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post #261 of 581
6/10/11 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Tong Chia View Post

Try to adjust the brightness (black levels). Win7/Vista has the required tests built in.

Take a look at your TV's menu setting and see if there is a setting for Gamma. The correct value for NTSC (US,Japan) is 2.2 not sure abut PAL (Europe/Asia)

Using 4:4:4 or full RGB makes the problem worse if you have a limited RGB or YUV 4:2:2 input on your TV.


MadVR is not the best place to make these adjustments if you want other players that use another renderer (EVR,VMC etc) to work such as WMC.


i did some adjustmenets in catalyst ,gamma/brightness/contrast and it seems that we have done some improvements
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post #262 of 581
6/10/11 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Okay guys LAV + Madvr + MPC-HC along with LAV CUVID has been published. Its located in the "Paid Guides 8" tab which I am reserving for more advanced features.

Many thanks to jbcain for helping with the tutorial. For those of you who subscribe to my blog take a look at it and let me know what you think.

Cheers.

Looks ok in the install side of things, but nonexistent in the configuration side. i. e. Has no information about setting up things like PC/TV levels in madvr vs drivers, chroma & luma and so on. All the things that are hard to understand for the average person who needs a guide and recommendations on what to set and where. Hope that feedback helps with what you need to add to make it a comprehensive guide.
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post #263 of 581
6/10/11 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by Apgood View Post

Looks ok in the install side of things, but nonexistent in the configuration side. i. e. Has no information about setting up things like PC/TV levels in madvr vs drivers, chroma & luma and so on. All the things that are hard to understand for the average person who needs a guide and recommendations on what to set and where. Hope that feedback helps with what you need to add to make it a comprehensive guide.

Agreed. I update my guides often. I am still tweaking some settings and learning those things myself.
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post #264 of 581
6/10/11 at 9:02pm
How about this...

Since this is so new if we can collectively get a set of settings figured out as far as levels, chroma/luma etc I will make a free guide with lots of pictures describing it all. It will be a work in progress but we can get it done.
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post #265 of 581
6/11/11 at 2:02am
1. madVR installation w/o setup (1-2 pics of process)
2. video player setup (renderer, codecs: for ATI/Nvidia, HAM/CUDA, etc)
3. video driver setup (at least FullRGB 0-255)
4. display setup. The most hard step coz we have no stats how to select between YCbCr/RGB and TV/PC on different models of displays.
LG models: HDMI input:PC gives RGB input (all the rest give 'YCbCr' inputs), Black level:High gives PC(0-255) level ('Low' gives TV (16-235) level).
Here comes big problem: 'FullRGB' setup may be best for Video and worst for Desktop (contrast/brighness are screwed) and you can do nothing here. Since I'm video/audio gik I use to set my TV to 'FullRGB/Cinema' setup each time for watching videos and roll it back to 'YCbCr/Usual' for Desktop work.
Some display just have no options for colorspaces/levels. Some show black crush with madVR/0-255 and videodriver/FullRGB. Best option here is set madVR to 16-235 and keep 0-255(FullRGB) in videodriver (according to madshi's advice and simple logic).

Hey, I wrote this for free, who's else?
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post #266 of 581
6/11/11 at 3:22am
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4. display setup.

On second thought: wouldn't it be better to have separated guide for displays setup and just refer to it?
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post #267 of 581
6/11/11 at 3:46am
This should be a complete & detailed advanced LAv+MAdvr guide
with posts only from this thread
this guide is for every Win7 OS
but you need only MPC-HC x86 version even in win 7 x64


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Originally Posted by Qaq View Post

1. madVR installation w/o setup (1-2 pics of process)

madVR settings:


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Originally Posted by Tong Chia View Post

  • Video levels 0-255
  • Enable 3DLUT
  • Chroma upscaling Catmull-Rom
  • Luma upscaling Softcubic@50 sharpmess
  • Luma downscaling Softcubic@50sharpness

Here is comparison of the scaling algorithms written by Don Munsil
with comments by Stacey Spears, 2 leading experts
http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/...&&#post4767386

You will need yCms to generate the 280Mb 3d LUT table
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154719

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...19&postcount=2

Put the generated files in the madVR directory

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Originally Posted by Qaq View Post

2. video player setup (renderer, codecs: for ATI/Nvidia, HAM/CUDA, etc).
  1. set madVR for renderer in MPC-HC`s output tab
  2. in MPC-HC internal filters/transform filters untick the formats you dont need internal filters
  3. in external filters tab, add your fav external filter lav cuvid/Cyberlink HAM

  • Nvidia users need only LAV CuVID
  • Cyberlink HAM optional for ATI users:

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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

Anyway, using the Cyberlink Video Decoder isn't too difficult.
You need to register the CLCvd.ax file in your PDVD directory.
Then you can add it to the external filters list in MPC-HC and set it to prefer.
This next part is where a lot of people get hung up.
Double click the Cyberlink Video Decoder entry in the MPC-HC external filters window to bring up the properties.
Set it to HAM mode and click ok. I don't know who told me this next part, but, trust me, it works....
close the options dialog and immediately drag a video into the MPC-HC window to start playing it.
For whatever reason this allows HAM mode to stick.
Although, if you go back into the Cyberlink Video Decoder properties again,
it'll look like it didn't stick. The way you can tell is when a file is playing,
right click the MPC-HC window, go to filters, hold control on the keyboard,
and click the Cyberlink Video Decoder to get an extended properties page.
It should list HAM mode being used.


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Originally Posted by Qaq View Post


3. video driver setup (at least FullRGB 0-255)
4. display setup. The most hard step coz we have no stats how to select between YCbCr/RGB and TV/PC on different models of displays.
LG models: HDMI input:PC gives RGB input (all the rest give 'YCbCr' inputs), Black level:High gives PC(0-255) level ('Low' gives TV (16-235) level).
Here comes big problem: 'FullRGB' setup may be best for Video and worst for Desktop (contrast/brighness are screwed) and you can do nothing here. Since I'm video/audio gik I use to set my TV to 'FullRGB/Cinema' setup each time for watching videos and roll it back to 'YCbCr/Usual' for Desktop work.
Some display just have no options for colorspaces/levels. Some show black crush with madVR/0-255 and videodriver/FullRGB. Best option here is set madVR to 16-235 and keep 0-255(FullRGB) in videodriver (according to madshi's advice and simple logic).

Hey, I wrote this for free, who's else?
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post #268 of 581
6/11/11 at 4:46am
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

How about this...

Since this is so new if we can collectively get a set of settings figured out as far as levels, chroma/luma etc I will make a free guide with lots of pictures describing it all. It will be a work in progress but we can get it done.

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Originally Posted by Qaq View Post

Hey, I wrote this for free, who's else?

Well, I tried to offer something better and more detailed.
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post #269 of 581
6/11/11 at 7:05am
I will not be using LAV anytime soon since it requires a NVIDIA graphics card, (I have an ATI Radeon) and my AVR does not decode bitstreaming and I regularly use Windows media center to record live TV, and I use the HAALI splitter with EAC3to.

However, I would be interested in using the Power DVD Video filter with MPC_HC. So, how do I register the CLCvd.ax file ? I do have PowerDVD9 Ultra and I do have CLCvd.ax on my computer under Program Files-Cyberlink-PowerDVD-Video Filters
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post #270 of 581
6/11/11 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by Postmoderndesign View Post

I will not be using LAV anytime soon since it requires a NVIDIA graphics card, (I have an ATI Radeon) and my AVR does not decode bitstreaming and I regularly use Windows media center to record live TV, and I use the HAALI splitter with EAC3to.

However, I would be interested in using the Power DVD Video filter with MPC_HC. So, how do I register the CLCvd.ax file ? I do have PowerDVD9 Ultra and I do have CLCvd.ax on my computer under Program Files-Cyberlink-PowerDVD-Video Filters

If you're running UAC, you need to do this from an admin command prompt (right click on the command prompt shortcut on the start menu and select run as administrator). Then CD to your C:\\Program Files\\Cyberlink\\PowerDVD\\Video Filters directory and run this:

regsvr32 CLCvd.ax

Then she's all registered for you. Also, don't confuse LAV Filters with LAV CUVID. LAV Filters (splitter and audio) do NOT require an nVidia device and it's a very well developed splitter. I highly recommend checking it out.
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