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post #151 of 290
At my local theater, these 3D movies might be a decent take on what 3D looks like?

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2: 3D

Shark Night 3D

The Lion King 3D (later this month)

Any comments on their 3D quality will be much appreciated.
post #152 of 290
BUT NOT WITHOUT CINERAMAX SAVING 3D first.
post #153 of 290
post #154 of 290
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Originally Posted by R Johnson View Post

The article with graphs: http://www.slate.com/id/2303814/pagenum/all/

There was a beautiful solution discovered on my 53rd birthday.

Problem solved for 3G equipped movie theaters and home theaters.

Follow press activity during showeast .

Repeat PROBLEM SOLVED...
post #155 of 290
"Still, the downward trend in 3-D revenue numbers is unlikely to reverse anytime soon. If the medium isn't dead, it's mortally wounded."
post #156 of 290
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

"Still, the downward trend in 3-D revenue numbers is unlikely to reverse anytime soon. If the medium isn't dead, it's mortally wounded."

Can't agree more . When I finished my new home I got three 3D TVs in different rooms and Sim2 lumis in theater and I have only watched 3D once on three TVs combined . Don't feel like spending thousands on a 3d projector no matter how good it is with not enough movies in native 3d that I can count on fingers of one hand that I would want to see again.
post #157 of 290
Suit yourself _____s.... To deny yourselves of the best possible way to watch movies at home is your own prerogative. Might as well jump from a balcony then.

You have not seen what is possible with the conversion technology so why even talk? While native 3d is admittedly hard to watch on extended periods of time Teranex conversions hand and hand with the Barco and RealD are the most amazing way to enjoy the movie collections, and now that it will be 2k that is the future for commercial cinemas as well (in DCI version). To repeat myself this dimensionalised content looks better than 2d and 3d BOTH.

Now back to the topic I think Harold and Kumar is the must see 3D movie of this year, really.
post #158 of 290
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Suit yourself _____s.... To deny yourselves of the best possible way to watch movies at home is your own prerogative. Might as well jump from a balcony then.

You have not seen what is possible with the conversion technology so why even talk? While native 3d is admittedly hard to watch on extended periods of time Teranex conversions hand and hand with the Barco and RealD are the most amazing way to enjoy the movie collections, and now that it will be 2k that is the future for commercial cinemas as well (in DCI version). To repeat myself this dimensionalised content looks better than 2d and 3d BOTH.

Now back to the topic I think Harold and Kumar is the must see 3D movie of this year, really.


We appreciate your passion for high end home theater ...but jump off the balcony if you dont like 3D woww... well then maybe 300 some million people in US besides 5 or 6 who own teranx and Barco and RealD should jump off balcony and then we can call 3D a huge success....since 100% of remaining people will have it and like it...
post #159 of 290
IF you call yourself a videophile (and you have a room that says that) "you should travel to mecca" to see the next Quantum shift is .

I did not say 3D, even I begin to find it annoying after 90 minutes, I SAID 2.75D ( THE TERANEX PROCESS IMAGE), with the Reald and Barco it renders everything else in video including my own standards-setting recent work: pure garbage. This is better than 3d and 2d both by a long shot. Turns out the lens can capture the information suitable to recreate a photo-realistic facsmile of looking trough a window - with all 2d content.

You know I had a 5 minute argument at Cinemacon with James Cameron over the Tery. He started expressing his opinion by sticking two fingers down his throat whilst bending over... Turns out I was totally right and he was totally WRONG! When I confronted him I was thinking of the tery as a tool to check the professional film dimensionalization's staff handy work (you know after shoddy piranha3d, clash and alice conversions)[surely the creator of terminator can understand concept of the machines checking on the humans work], but naw after my last week birthday epiphany THIS NEEDS TO REPLACE all but the finest 3D productions. There are ZERO MEDICAL ISSUES with 2.75D all the goodness none of the aggravation. SHEER VISUAL COMFORT and a trip of discovery in every one of your favorite Blu-ray titles.

Anyone that wants to see this in action coupled with free passes to showeast 2011 come and see what CEDIA promised and failed miserably to do. This is not a solicitation quite frankly our retainer is aimed at a different market (like the spaceship house). This is strictly a technology demonstration of what is possible, TODAY. And a natural option to the exhibition industry that just invested in 3d infrastructure if/when 3d dries out.

The timing of this 2.75D/RealD discovery is just serendipitous and synchronicitous, both.

Just doing my due diligence to inform the videophile public.
post #160 of 290
This was my comment Twitted to the author in the original site.


Dear Mr. Engber,

Thank you for a most thorough and incisive article.

Let me shed some additional light on this matter and if I may be so bold present an alternative business model for the cinema industry (2.75D) to be able to show intellectually superior content in their 3d equipped auditoriums. The plot thickens.

As a pioneer in the High-End Home Cinema systems design our business has gravitated into tweaking digital cinema 3d equipment for augmented depth, higher contrast and maximum image MTF to be implemented into notable individuals homes, some belonging to the industry even have access to pre-release movie screenings at home. The Bel Air Circuit..It is a cross over between DCI and Home Cinema and a very technical and difficult to implement crossover at that.

Performance wise our Bel Air type systems here in Miami steamroll over the studio heads' own systems at home, which having been acquired for free, look and sound just as a regular movie theater. As a result of investigations into recently decommissioned Ronald Reagan era STAR WARS spy-satellite technology I came across a company named Teranex who markets video processing that is the direct result of a Peace Dividend. As it turns out, when we USA were reading the license plate of vehicles leaving the Kremlin from miles above we were doing so in 3D and what a beauty of technology it is. 20 something billions worth.


MY 5 minute argument with James Cameron during CINEMACON (an exerpt):
At Cinemacon in Caesar’s Palace lobby mal, while returning from dinner I bumped into Cameron talking with 3 fans and asked him how he felt about real time dimensionalization using massive parallel processing. Of course my thought was in the context of home cinema watching of blu-rays and as a way to check the production work conducted by the dimensional zing firms in Hollywood and Florida not as replacement for 3d at cinemas (My 2.75D epiphany of last September 17-my birthday) - which I will get to but I digress.

CAMERON: (Bends over and inserts 2 fingers in his mouth). " It is genuinely atrocious you see weird things in the middle"

Me: Not with the $ 65K Teranex processor you don't. The middle is beautiful...

CAMERON: Are you inferring I am stupid? I have 3 studios working for me, with 1,700 employees and so much and so forth.

Me: Au contraire I think you are a genius and a boon to the economy.Being your biggest fan I am merely suggesting that with the shoddy conversions being rushed on (think of a Cubist -like edge beveling around the heads and torsos in Clash Of The Titans and Piranha 3D, think of softness outdorr scenes in Alice) you the creator of Terminator out of all people would grasp the concept of the "Machines checking on Mans work" . A joke not well received.

Cameron: Look; take a 3d camera and put the 2d through your Teranex, then take the 3d ..."

Me: I don't shoot anything I merely put together highly tweaked large screen images,
however to add insult to injury i used your film (as he opened his eyes) put it through the teranex and then took the panasonic blu-ray 3d version and compared it...

Cameron: And...and?

Me: It didn't work.

Cameron: raising his level in a slight gloat. YOU SEE???!!!

Me: (Pointing quickly my index finger back at his face)But that is because of your heavy CGI's, take any movie from the 50,60, 70's or non cgi intensive (actually the star wars and lord of the rings look great in 2.75D) and you will find that it works perfectly. You could see these movies back to back and you would swear they were shot in 3d.

What is the name of this heady movie about Guadalcanal?(me drawing a mental blank).

Cameron: Look if you are going to come to confront me you better come prepared.

Me: The Thin Red Line.... .... Right there and then I realized why YOU would want to dimensionalize Titanic. Those scenes of the Navy battleships threading water and those bow shots are truly incredible in 3D. (He was looking intently not disagreeing). And the anime (i exclaimed).

Cameron: doing parallel Karate chops in the air 3 times while saying in rhythm "that is because you have NO FRAME OF REFERENCE (in anime).

Me: But the technology cost 20 billion dollars to develop under the Star Wars program.

Cameron: I don't care-It cannot work!!!! Look I have to go check on this 60 frame per second 3d presentation I am doing in the morning, if you want to see good images ... but I will look into this.

He did do a dramatic presentation of the next level in cinema exhibition, I felt privileged to have had such exchange but at the time I had been testing on a 65" visio passive 3d so could not exactly be sure of how it would look in a cinema..

Fast forward to the outfitting in collaboration with our vendors a new laboratory with a 225 inch reald Equipped Barco 4K and Teranex in Miami. We finally had a chance to fire the thing up the day of my 53rd birthday. 2 days after reading your article and if this is not synchronicity and serendipity in action, every guest that sees the dci 3d content (with enhanced depth and without), the blu ray3d content , and the Teranex everyone favors the natural easy on your eyes as looking out though a window 2.75D image.

After showing 2D they all violently rejected it. We saw, Lord of the rings elephant scene, das boot submarine charge, north by northeast ,Jack Hawkins in the cruel sea, transformers 2 Imax scene, a fish call Wanda, what's up doc.

THESE MOVIES SHINE ON 2.75D.

So for showeast we are going to open house to present to the studios an alternative business model. Off the cuff honest this movie was shot in2d but it is being shown here in 3d for you viewing enjoyment.

I would like to invite you to showeast to experience this wonder with your own two and you then decide if the more honest, intellectually stimulating, and visually un-invasive 2.75D experience (for the record Lucas started the decimal system with his reference of 2.2D this winter)- let superior intellects decide the matter. It appears I was right and Cameron was wrong.

DEMO Kaleidescape script PLAYLIST

The Lord of the Rings III: The Return of the King scene Scene 2.
Play IMAX: Adrenalin Rausch - Der ultimate Kick scene Scene 3.
Play Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen scene New Scene.
Play X-Men: First Class scene New Scene.
Play Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith scene Scene 1.
Play G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra scene Scene 1.
Play Galaxy Quest scene Scene 1.
Play The Road Warrior scene Scene 1.
Play King Kong scene Scene 1.
Play Barry Lyndon scene Scene 2.
Play IMAX: Adrenalin Rausch - Der ultimative Kick scene Scene 2.
Play The Fifth Element scene Leeloo Escapes from the Lab.
Play Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull scene Scene 1.
Play Thunderball scene Scene 1.
Play Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace scene Scene 1.
Play Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace scene Scene 2.
Play Alien Resurrection scene Scene 1.
Play Terminator 2: Judgment Day scene Scene 1.
Play Apocalypse Now scene Scene 1.
Play The Thin Red Line scene Scene 1.
Play The Sound of Music song The Sound of Music.
Play Amarcord scene Scene 1.
Play Mars Attacks! scene Scene 1.
Play A Fish Called Wanda scene Scene 1.
Play A Fish Called Wanda scene Scene 2.
Play What's Up, Doc? scene Scene 1.
Play Le Mans scene Scene 1.
Play A Bridge Too Far scene Scene 2.
Play The Gauntlet scene Scene 1.
Play Mission to Mars scene Scene 1.
Play 2001: A Space Odyssey scene Scene 1.
Play 2001: A Space Odyssey scene Scene 2.
Play Where Eagles Dare scene Scene 1.
post #161 of 290
Is Terranex the only way to get there? Anything more viable ( cheaper ) in the horizon?
post #162 of 290
the only way. jvc has something in the 35 range but not quite that nuanced and not set it and forget it.
post #163 of 290
Peter,
I don't believe anyone here is saying you don't put together a nice 3D set up.

Art
post #164 of 290
Hi Art;

I at the moment with what has happened, I really do not give at rats butt if 3d dies tomorrow. this is completely different -VERY CLEAN looking very natural, completely lightweight, better than 3d and way better than the 2d original. A miracle of sorts.
post #165 of 290
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

This was my comment Twitted to the author in the original site...

Not only can you make 3D from 2D, but you can also put that long a response into a 140 character Twitter post?
post #166 of 290
Extended debates about what is and what is not technoligcally feasible with price-no-object equipment aside, the answer to Alan's question at the head of this thread seems increasingly to be YES.
post #167 of 290
post #168 of 290
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Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter View Post

Not only can you make 3D from 2D, but you can also put that long a response into a 140 character Twitter post?

3,000 character in their interface:

http://www.slate.com/id/2303814/#add-comment

Still had to break it in 4...
post #169 of 290
Well I for one would welcome a recompositioned version.

From :http://hollywoodinhidef.com/2011/09/...more-3d-depth/
Cameron: Avatar needed more 3D

Posted by admin on September 23, 2011 · Leave a Comment
James Cameron wishes he would have pushed the depth and impact of 3D further with “Avatar” and is doing so with his conversion on “Titanic,” the filmmaker said Wednesday (Sept. 21) at the 3D Entertainment Summit at the Hollywood & Highland Center.
He was overly cautious with his 2 1/2-hour movie for fear of eye fatigue, which he now understands is not an issue when 3D is presented properly.

Other notable comments by Cameron during his appearance in a pre-lunch Keynote presentation at 3D Entertainment Summit:
* Negative media stories about 3D do not reflect realty of 3D revenue success which is up 40% year-over-year for last four years with projections for similar increase in coming months/years.
* 3D being punished for its own success because limited number of 3D screens result in reduced percentage of 3D grosses for each movie when there are unprecedented number of 3D movies in release simultaneously.
* Any film will look better in 3D.
* Impact of 3D greatest on small, intimate dramas.
– By Scott Hettrick
post #170 of 290
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

* Negative media stories about 3D do not reflect realty of 3D revenue success which is up 40% year-over-year for last four years with projections for similar increase in coming months/years.

So the Slate article indicating an almost opposite direction to the slope is false ?
post #171 of 290
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So the Slate article indicating an almost opposite direction to the slope is false ?

... lies, damn lies, and statistics...
post #172 of 290
God, I hope so!
post #173 of 290
yup
3D is done with me.I have seen the last one ever....Avitar was great but it stops there.It ruins the look of a movie that is meant to bring a comic book to life.I think this format is meant for annimation and should stay in that format
post #174 of 290
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yup
3D is done with me.I have seen the last one ever....Avitar was great but it stops there.It ruins the look of a movie that is meant to bring a comic book to life.I think this format is meant for annimation and should stay in that format

Well that's for you.

And AFAIK the Avatar 3D Blu-ray disc has been taken over by a manufacturer (Panasonic?) for months to come.

And AFAIS (suspect), 3D will survive but maybe it'll be slow.
post #175 of 290
well when 14 of us go to a 3D movie and 14 of us say never again,that means something.
post #176 of 290
Yawn.
post #177 of 290
Have to say that I thought I was done with 3D until the other night when my girlfriend and I went to the multiplex to see the Three Muskateers. We wound up going to the 3D theater due to the start times and frankly enjoyed it. Don't know how many more I'd go see but it did soften my view of thinking that I won't be going to any more.
post #178 of 290
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Yawn.

exactly what happened
post #179 of 290
Did anyone see this?

I heard an interview recently that mentioned this would be the beginning of the end of 3d in the theater....... SJ

http://www.slashfilm.com/sony-stop-s...charges-surge/
post #180 of 290
I recently watched the new Peter Gabriel concert in 3D and it is amazing. 3D at home on a 120" HP screen is incredible. Will it survive -- I don't know, but IMAX 3D, concerts in 3D, most animation in 3D and some movies in 3D can be an amazing experience and I'm going to get as much as I can while I'm still on planet earth.
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