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post #1501 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

How can you assure me that it was being looked into as much as it should have. Do you have proof, regarding this particular transfer?

I can't assure you of that. However, like I said, I can assure you that it wasn't simply run through the machine, haphazardly, simply because I know a fair bit about the way telecine works.
post #1502 of 1985
Saw JP last night with the kids (got the Box set from Amazon's deal) and while there is an improvement in PQ (yeah some of the CGI looks, well, CGIish) what struck a negative cord was the totally underwhelming soundtrack.

Didi Universal bother at all to remix it? WTF??

I have a decent 5.1 set-up and even after maxing the gains on both my SVS subwoofers and dialing up to -5db my Pioneer SC-05 -> Klipschorns (main L-R) and RS 52 II (surrounds) I felt I was just gaining in volume not in sound-stage nor in any of the sound effect !

caveat: I haven't read all the posts (I may be missing something) and I did not have time to tinker with the AVR, but this 7.1 MA soundtrack sux

I hope i have a wire crossed or some blatant setting wrong that will make this 1st installment of JP come "alive".

ps, afterwords I popped in Black Hawk Down for 3 min to make sure things were set ok.... yep, choppers do still make the classic thump thump thump , wooshing noise
post #1503 of 1985
It is a new mix, but from what I understand from reading posts in this thread (and reading other reviews) it is not the typical boombastic track. Most modern movies are bass heavy when they don't need to be. It's like there's a competition to see who can have the most ridiculous bass drops and rolls. JP has bass only when it needs it. Over the years there have been a couple issues regarding the soundtrack on different formats and encodes being too hot or too dull, I don't even know what's correct anymore.

All that stands out in my memory in terms of loud, dynamic theater audio are the drums in the opening theme, the raptor screams, the T. Rex stomps, the T. Rex roar, and the Gallimimus scene. Other than that, there was a lot of dialogue and ambient surround activity.
post #1504 of 1985
Wow. I found the soundtrack outstanding even reference...discrete channel useage, booming bass, nice highs, dialog intelligible. Wonderful!
post #1505 of 1985
Well.... I have yet to watch the original jurassic park 7.1 remaster. But if it is anything like the Lost worlds audio then I will be overwhelmed with joy! The lost world sounded incredible the whole time even in ambient scenes, with the wind blowing, waves crashing, people working, etc... then when the dinos came out they were in every speaker, and it sounded great. Really added a ton to the dimension of the movie, I thought the sound was the best part of the movie.

Like I said this was the lost world though and I hope that the original sounds even better. And the other guy is right on, there is not bass tearing down the house through the whole movie, just when it is needed, and I find this just fine. It adds more effect to feature bass here and there when needed.
post #1506 of 1985
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

It is a new mix, but from what I understand from reading posts in this thread (and reading other reviews) it is not the typical boombastic track. Most modern movies are bass heavy when they don't need to be. It's like there's a competition to see who can have the most ridiculous bass drops and rolls. JP has bass only when it needs it. Over the years there have been a couple issues regarding the soundtrack on different formats and encodes being too hot or too dull, I don't even know what's correct anymore.

All that stands out in my memory in terms of loud, dynamic theater audio are the drums in the opening theme, the raptor screams, the T. Rex stomps, the T. Rex roar, and the Gallimimus scene. Other than that, there was a lot of dialogue and ambient surround activity.

Audio mixing trends have definitely sided with LOUDER IS BETTAH! Using combinations of compression, peak limiting normalization, overcooked frequencies, and permitting clipping resulting in distortion.

-Movies are bad but video games have exponentially become worse and worse, MW3 being a disgustingly popular example. Distortion Extravaganza.

An example of this is Outlander, watched it several months ago, decent film but the home audio mix is terrible, tons of distortion and hot mixing. It was like listening to a modern music recording.

Black Hawk Down is a hot mix, not in the fact that it is a war movie but in the nature of the audio engineering and mixing. Not nearly as bad as my prior example or other recent action films but it went the slightly cooked route.

Whereas Jurassic Park I actually turned up the volume during the more intense scenes due to having clean distortion free, effortless, dynamic audio. The high frequencies are not overtly cooked nor is the low end bloated, a zen like balance.

Subtlety and balance seems to have been lost in favor of cheap 'bombastic' audio tricks.

Best Regards
KvE
post #1507 of 1985
The problem with the 7.1 audio in the first film that I noticed, and anyone can disagree, is that there were more sounds than in the original track. Now more doesn't necessarily mean better does it? I was irritated with birds chirping at night, sounds which were ported over from earlier sections of the movie during the daytime scenes. Now one or two birds chirping is okay, but a continuous cackle of highly active birds just as they do in daytime? now that's too much!

The scene I am talking about is when Grant climbs the tree to rescue Tim,who is trapped inside the car. Too many loud bird chirping, which was highly unusual for that time of the night and didn't fit in at all, at least not for me. This is why I think that Steven Spielberg was not involved or Gary Rydstrom, for Gary would have known that birds are quiet at night, at night the jungle becomes silent except for the sounds of Crickets buzzing.

Plus I also noticed a forced echo in the calls and roars of the dinosaurs as well as in the dialogues, which was distracting. Because echo is something that does not occur everywhere and experienced sound guys, heck even school students know it. I found it distracting.

Now all this is okay, but it would have been nice had the original track been left as it is, along with the new track. But the original track is missing.

Spielberg said no changes to the movie, but there were a few changes done, this is why I think, though I don't know for sure, that Spielberg was not involved with the production of this Bluray, except for agreeing to appear in the "Return to Jurassic Park documentary.
post #1508 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

Now all this is okay, but it would have been nice had the original track been left as it is, along with the new track.

Absolutely! New remixes are a great bonus, but they should never supplant the original audio. It's fine with me if they want to make the new mix the default playback option, but to not include the original mix is usually a deal-breaker for me.
post #1509 of 1985
i didn't notice the birds at night...guess I was just enjoying the movie
post #1510 of 1985
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

i didn't notice the birds at night...guess I was just enjoying the movie

+1

Sometimes, it doesn't pay to pick apart a movie rather than enjoying it. There probably wouldn't be many movies on the "accurate" list.

Who knows, maybe back in the Jurassic period, wildlife sounded different
post #1511 of 1985
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Who knows, maybe back in the Jurassic period, wildlife sounded different

The only problem is, Jurassic Park's events don't occur in the Jurassic Period, it occurred in the late 20th Century.
post #1512 of 1985
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

i didn't notice the birds at night...guess I was just enjoying the movie

I'm glad you did . I was just saying that they shouldn't have removed the original track.
post #1513 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

I'm glad you did . I was just saying that they shouldn't have removed the original track.

As I agree, I really didn't (at all) notice because I didn't frequent the forum about this....ignorance with movies IS BLISS!!!
post #1514 of 1985
saw JP3 last night, and I felt a little let down this time (as a film). I actually was more conscious with number 2. The LFE in 3 was really great though.....
post #1515 of 1985
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

For those on the fence, NBC via Amazon is offering this up for $20 + $3 shipping:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A2JBLF24P6AUP2

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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Ordered.

Thanks for the heads up.

BTW, I watched JP last night (Netflix BD rental) and found very little to complain about in terms of PQ and AQ. While not perfect, it was great overall IMO.

Just got an email saying due to high demand they are out of stock and will ship when it's back in stock (later this month?).
post #1516 of 1985
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

saw JP3 last night, and I felt a little let down this time (as a film).

Plot's a little dumb IMO, but the action is great!
post #1517 of 1985
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

Plot's a little dumb IMO, but the action is great!

+1
Spinosaurus rules.
post #1518 of 1985
Anybody feel the bass in part 3 wasn't as good as part 1 and 2? I remember the Spinosaurus and Trex battle having more impact on the DVD. And there were times when i felt the audio, the dialog and other effects, were dynamically compressed. No, i didn't have DRC on before anyone asks.
post #1519 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

The problem with the 7.1 audio in the first film that I noticed, and anyone can disagree, is that there were more sounds than in the original track. Now more doesn't necessarily mean better does it? I was irritated with birds chirping at night, sounds which were ported over from earlier sections of the movie during the daytime scenes. Now one or two birds chirping is okay, but a continuous cackle of highly active birds just as they do in daytime? now that's too much!

The scene I am talking about is when Grant climbs the tree to rescue Tim,who is trapped inside the car. Too many loud bird chirping, which was highly unusual for that time of the night and didn't fit in at all, at least not for me. This is why I think that Steven Spielberg was not involved or Gary Rydstrom, for Gary would have known that birds are quiet at night, at night the jungle becomes silent except for the sounds of Crickets buzzing.

Plus I also noticed a forced echo in the calls and roars of the dinosaurs as well as in the dialogues, which was distracting. Because echo is something that does not occur everywhere and experienced sound guys, heck even school students know it. I found it distracting.

Now all this is okay, but it would have been nice had the original track been left as it is, along with the new track. But the original track is missing.

Spielberg said no changes to the movie, but there were a few changes done, this is why I think, though I don't know for sure, that Spielberg was not involved with the production of this Bluray, except for agreeing to appear in the "Return to Jurassic Park documentary.

For the record, the new 7.1 mix was approved by Gary Rydstrom ....
And played back for Spielberg.
post #1520 of 1985
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Originally Posted by alexg75 View Post

For the record, the new 7.1 mix was approved by Gary Rydstrom ....
And played back for Spielberg.

Really, please cite the source of this news. And if it is true, then despite saying "no changes to my movies", Spielberg contradicts himself.
post #1521 of 1985
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Anybody feel the bass in part 3 wasn't as good as part 1 and 2? I remember the Spinosaurus and Trex battle having more impact on the DVD. And there were times when i felt the audio, the dialog and other effects, were dynamically compressed. No, i didn't have DRC on before anyone asks.

I thought all three films in the Jurassic Park trilogy had excellent audio but thought Jurassic Park 3 had the best. Overall, I thought JP3's HD audio was demonstration quality, including its LFE.
post #1522 of 1985
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

Maybe you're right, but I LOVE BASS

Especially grilled apple-smoked bass with habanero chiles.
post #1523 of 1985
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post


Especially grilled apple-smoked bass with habanero chiles.

We spared no expense
post #1524 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

Really, please cite the source of this news. And if it is true, then despite saying "no changes to my movies", Spielberg contradicts himself.

Be interesting to see if the inevitable Jaws BD has the 5.1 remix (not that I would really mind if the original is still there too).
post #1525 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

Really, please cite the source of this news. And if it is true, then despite saying "no changes to my movies", Spielberg contradicts himself.

The source of this news is from someone who personally knows the Academy Award Winning mixer that did the 7.1 re-mixes for all three JP movies.
The re-mixes were done at Skywalker using the original masters as the starting point.
Gary Rydstrom was involved with and approved the final product that was then played back in the Stag theater for Spielberg.
I personally prefer the new mixes and consider them to be enhanced versions of already stellar (for their time) soundtracks.
post #1526 of 1985
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Originally Posted by alexg75 View Post

The source of this news is from someone who personally knows the Academy Award Winning mixer that did the 7.1 re-mixes for all three JP movies.

Please, don't give me "SOMEONE" . If you don't have a real source or proof, then stop laying false claims!
post #1527 of 1985
Nice to have these films on blu-ray
My kids have never watched them (18,16,13) and they are
really enjoying them.
So rare to get them all together- have watched first two
Third one tonight - I find they look great
Sound is very good for the age of the films -
A little too edgy and lacking weight for reference quality however
post #1528 of 1985
It really bothers me that the theatrical DTS mix isn't on a movie that DTS premiered with.
post #1529 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

It really bothers me that the theatrical DTS mix isn't on a movie that DTS premiered with.

But then an old DTS showpiece becomes a new DTS showpiece.
post #1530 of 1985
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

It really bothers me that the theatrical DTS mix isn't on a movie that DTS premiered with.

Exactly! A well made point!

What an irony, huh!
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