Jurassic Park trilogy - Page 57

Yeah, I've read that too. The original version was only 1536x922, so it would have to be either upscaled or re-rendered for Blu and contemporary DCP presentation. They re-rendered it for 3D anyway, so I'm sure they upped the resolution while they were at it. (On top of that, I believe some shots were recreated from the ground up for the old DVD release because they couldn't find the original files.) This piece says Finding Nemo 3D also got a resolution bump and other small tweaks.

Sunshine Cinema in NY is showing Jurassic Park tonight-

http://www.landmarktheatres.com/Films/films_frameset.asp?id=43768

I'm trying to find out if it's the new transfer. I doubt it though.

This 3D version is either a new master from 35mm source, or from the master created for the Muse High Def Laserdisc, which was also used, I believe, as a source for the Standard Laserdisc, and eventually the HDTV version.
It is in no way a 4K restoration. As the low resolution of the effects shots wouldn't allow that, it would create all sorts of artifacts like banding (which is already showing in the early close-up Lake shots of the Brachios)and lack of detail, etc.
Infact the lack of detail is already apparent from the trailer. Look at the close-up shots of Goldblum's face. You cannot see much detail there at all, it looks unnaturally smooth. While it has moderate detail (more than the previous blu ray), but the overall look of the film is smooth, as if it was shot with soft focus, which was the case with JP2 but not JP1. The colour is gorgeous this time, very close to what the original 35mm prints looked, with warm skin tones and lush greenery. The Bluish hue of the previous HD version or DVD version(Same master as the Blu) is gone, thankfully! The framing hasn't been altered for 3D, which I believe should have been done, 'cause a lot of the frames and the positioning of the characters will look distracting in 3D.
from the looks of it they mastered the film at 2K from an already matted 1.85:1 print, hence there is no way that there will be a open-matte 1.78:1 print for the 3D Blu Ray this time, which is sad . But thankfully the frames are both wider and taller than the Blu Ray framing which as I felt, was zoom-boxed.
I honestly feel that if they could've done it, they should have gone back and re-rendered the original digital effects back onto the original plate photography, and created a taller 1.66:1 aspect ratio version for the IMAX release( like Apollo 13), especially since Jurassic Park was shot in Full aperture 1.33:1(or slightly taller) The 16:10 version would've looked great in 15/70mm IMAX theaters, and I would've more than likely paid to travel to another state her in India to watch it!

Here are some examples( some I found, some I recreated by combining several sources ) of the taller effects plate, which I believe was shot in Vistavision 1.66:1 giving it a 16:10 aspect-

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Notice that the frame is taller than the final 1.85:1 cut(compare it with your dvd or bluray)

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This is a frame that I reconstituted from two different sources, on from an interview of Dennis Muren, and the other from a HDTV source(which is both tall and wide than the Bluray)

3. Another CG plate shot, taller than the previous two-

Here are some non CG 35mm film stills which could easily be cropped to a 1.66:1 aspect ratio-

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Uh, the digital effects are like 7 minutes of the movie. I guarantee you they're not putting an ancient HD master in IMAX re-release.

They already did so in the recent IMAX release of Jurassic Park in September 2011 for a limited time (Only UK). But If the 3D version is a recent 2K master, then it is a above average 2K master, mainly for the lush and exotic colours, and film-like image quality!

Guys please comment on my latest post about a 1.66:1 IMAX version of JP, tell me what you think, if that was possible to do? Wouldn't it be cool?

And are you judging that from a youtube trailer?

Also, let's leave the AR alone.

Yes because atleast it looks quite different from the previous Blu Ray version, the framing is different. Obviously it is not possible to induce the details but still, I don't think they are using an old master. Why, this is bound to remain within the ambit of discussion only! Its not like Spielberg is going to release a 1.66:1 version for Imax ever! Discussion is fun. I find the framing aspect to be quite interesting, but I get it if others don't feel the same!
I honestly welcomed the decision made by Ang Lee to have multiple aspect ratios in Life of Pi 3D, I Imagine it looked much better in IMAX, especially the 1.37 scene with the bioluminescent planktons.

Individual releases in March:

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=98392

I'll wait for the re-mastered version of JP after the 3D re-release. These versions will still be the same lousy transfers as in the boxed set, unless Universal learned its lessen. Doubtful.

I have the boxed set BDs of the three films. I agree that the transfers of I and II were nothing extra but thought that Jurassic Park III looked great and sounded even better. I confess, I like JP III more than most did. In addition to how good it looks and sounds, both William H. Macy and Téa Leoni were terrific as the distraught parents of the missing kid. Nobody is funnier at playing hysterical women than Leoni and Macy is great in everything he does.

Add me to the list. JP III is underrated imo as I've always thought it was a more than decent follow-up to the original Jurassic Park. To me The Lost World is one of the worst, if not the worst film from Spielberg. He managed to make Jeff Goldblum's daughter even more annoying than the kids of JP which is actually a pretty amazing feat. ...I missed Laura Dern in the 3rd film. As for the separate releases, I'm not really tempted as I like my franchises complete I haven't bought it yet though.

Add me as well! JP3 is much more closer to the first movie than JP2, which is my least favourite. I always liked Alan Grant, a far better lead character than Malcolm. The rapport between Neill and Dern in the first movie is here replaced by the Neill and Nivola dynamic, and works as good. You root for Billy as much as the kirby's, more than anyone I cared about in JP2. JP3 is definitely underrated!
As for the individual Blu Ray release of Jurassic Park 3D, there are no additional special features( acc to High-Def Digest) apart from a new master of the movie, and I suspect, with the same tampered 7.1 soundtrack of the previous Blu ray release!

Add me in as another fan of Part III.

Part II felt like a typical late 90's "message movie" instead of a fun action romp with entertaining characters like the other two. Simply put: JP2 was full of itself, which made it full of you-know-what.

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=98370

Thought there would be a 2D disc in there. The new transfer is sure to better than the crap we got.

Another admirer of JP3 here.

And the JP1 Blu-Ray transfer is terrific. Though uneven, it produces some of the most detailed images I've had in my home theater. Not to mention the killer sound, e.g. T-Rex scene.

I think you haven't seen Samsara or any number of far superior Blu-ray discs if you think JP1 has "some of the most detailed images..."

JP1 is from an old HD master and not a very good one at that, though the sound has always been very good (except for the too crisp and trebley dialog tracks).

I've got many of the most lauded Blu-Rays for transfer quality and I still find myself amazed at many of the images on the JP1 Blu-Ray. As I said, it's uneven though, like the previous DVD version.

Really? I think it's on the low end of utterly unremarkable... to each his own, I guess.

Jurassic Park 3D Blu Ray is announced, but no new documentaries, about the restoration, or anything else either! Universal really plays it cheap, look at what Warner does, or even Spielberg's other movies get the love, while Jurassic Park gets played as cheap as it could be played! They had to do a remaster, otherwise the 3D conversion wouldn't work, so they did that, and nothing more. Really sad! Would've been great to see a doc about the restoration, and a couple of deleted scenes as a special feature? But Universal once again plays cheap!!!

I'm wondering about one thing - what 2D discs are going to be? New master or, which would be completely ridiculous, just repackaged old ones?

Can you imagine? Restored 3D version and old 2D.

My guess is that it is unlikely that Universal will bother with a new transfer. I'm expecting a cropped'n'boosted version of the current master: 1.78:1, cranked contrast, hyper color saturation, and maybe some more edge enhancement, y'know to make the 3-D really pop! If the 3-D version comes with a 2-D version, it will probably be the left or right eye stream of the 3-D version.

I may be wrong and I hope that I am. I'd really love to get a proper HD copy of JP.

No, check out the Jurassic Park IMAX 3D trailer on youtube! Its definitely a new master. The Colour saturation is exotic and film-like, the details are poor, evidence of DNR in all shots! No visible grain present. Close-up shots of faces look waxy and Brachiosaurus skins have been scrubbed clean of any detail(the distant shot of the Brachios in the lake) Otherwise the master looks very good from the trailers. The 1.85:1 version here is both taller and wider than the 1.85:1 cut of the Blu Ray! The framing is 99% similar to the Laserdisc!
So, mixed-bag! But the DNR-ing will be glaring in IMAX screens(15/70 ones).
Edited by Papai2011 - 1/28/13 at 5:46am

Extremely unlikely that they'll make 15/70 prints, which cost $30-50k a pop, for a 6-day engagement. And IMAX blowups pretty much have glaring DNR by definition.

More like a bag of sh*t. How can you claim it is at all film-like alongside any of those other descriptions? Impossible! First off, YouTube can't tell you much, not even really what the final Blu-ray framing will be. Even so, I said that they won't do a new transfer. There's no doubt that they made a new master... even if it is from the old one. We'll know as soon as the Blu-ray goes to pressing.

IIRC, the IMAX run of Raiders of the Lost Ark last year only played in digital IMAX theaters. No 15/70 prints were struck. I'd expect the same from this.

Because it's f***ing youtube!

I LOL'd!

Keep in mind that the current blu-ray has rather exaggerated grain. The daylit stuff should have minimal visible grain, because it was shot on perfectly modern fine grained film stock. High-speed stocks for low-light stuff circa 1993 were still pretty crappy, but the sharpening isn't doing the grain any favors.

They most likely scrubbed it before converting to 3D. Grain contained on the footage can't be converted to 3D, but fake "3D grain" can be added after the conversion takes place.

Sometimes I do wonder where the opinions stop and the satire begins...