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post #1681 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Add me to the list. JP III is underrated imo as I've always thought it was a more than decent follow-up to the original Jurassic Park. To me The Lost World is one of the worst, if not the worst film from Spielberg. He managed to make Jeff Goldblum's daughter even more annoying than the kids of JP which is actually a pretty amazing feat. ...I missed Laura Dern in the 3rd film. As for the separate releases, I'm not really tempted as I like my franchises complete smile.gif I haven't bought it yet though.

Add me as well! JP3 is much more closer to the first movie than JP2, which is my least favourite. I always liked Alan Grant, a far better lead character than Malcolm. The rapport between Neill and Dern in the first movie is here replaced by the Neill and Nivola dynamic, and works as good. You root for Billy as much as the kirby's, more than anyone I cared about in JP2. JP3 is definitely underrated!
As for the individual Blu Ray release of Jurassic Park 3D, there are no additional special features( acc to High-Def Digest) apart from a new master of the movie, and I suspect, with the same tampered 7.1 soundtrack of the previous Blu ray release!
post #1682 of 1995
Add me in as another fan of Part III.

Part II felt like a typical late 90's "message movie" instead of a fun action romp with entertaining characters like the other two. Simply put: JP2 was full of itself, which made it full of you-know-what.
post #1683 of 1995
http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=98370

Thought there would be a 2D disc in there. The new transfer is sure to better than the crap we got.
post #1684 of 1995
Another admirer of JP3 here.

And the JP1 Blu-Ray transfer is terrific. Though uneven, it produces some of the most detailed images I've had in my home theater. Not to mention the killer sound, e.g. T-Rex scene.
post #1685 of 1995
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Another admirer of JP3 here.

And the JP1 Blu-Ray transfer is terrific. Though uneven, it produces some of the most detailed images I've had in my home theater. Not to mention the killer sound, e.g. T-Rex scene.

I think you haven't seen Samsara or any number of far superior Blu-ray discs if you think JP1 has "some of the most detailed images..."

JP1 is from an old HD master and not a very good one at that, though the sound has always been very good (except for the too crisp and trebley dialog tracks).
post #1686 of 1995
I've got many of the most lauded Blu-Rays for transfer quality and I still find myself amazed at many of the images on the JP1 Blu-Ray. As I said, it's uneven though, like the previous DVD version.
post #1687 of 1995
Really? I think it's on the low end of utterly unremarkable... to each his own, I guess.
post #1688 of 1995
Jurassic Park 3D Blu Ray is announced, but no new documentaries, about the restoration, or anything else either! Universal really plays it cheap, look at what Warner does, or even Spielberg's other movies get the love, while Jurassic Park gets played as cheap as it could be played! They had to do a remaster, otherwise the 3D conversion wouldn't work, so they did that, and nothing more. Really sad! Would've been great to see a doc about the restoration, and a couple of deleted scenes as a special feature? But Universal once again plays cheap!!!
post #1689 of 1995
I'm wondering about one thing - what 2D discs are going to be? New master or, which would be completely ridiculous, just repackaged old ones?

Can you imagine? Restored 3D version and old 2D.
post #1690 of 1995
My guess is that it is unlikely that Universal will bother with a new transfer. I'm expecting a cropped'n'boosted version of the current master: 1.78:1, cranked contrast, hyper color saturation, and maybe some more edge enhancement, y'know to make the 3-D really pop! If the 3-D version comes with a 2-D version, it will probably be the left or right eye stream of the 3-D version.

I may be wrong and I hope that I am. I'd really love to get a proper HD copy of JP.
post #1691 of 1995
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

My guess is that it is unlikely that Universal will bother with a new transfer. I'm expecting a cropped'n'boosted version of the current master: 1.78:1, cranked contrast, hyper color saturation, and maybe some more edge enhancement, y'know to make the 3-D really pop! If the 3-D version comes with a 2-D version, it will probably be the left or right eye stream of the 3-D version.

I may be wrong and I hope that I am. I'd really love to get a proper HD copy of JP.

No, check out the Jurassic Park IMAX 3D trailer on youtube! Its definitely a new master. The Colour saturation is exotic and film-like, the details are poor, evidence of DNR in all shots! No visible grain present. Close-up shots of faces look waxy and Brachiosaurus skins have been scrubbed clean of any detail(the distant shot of the Brachios in the lake) Otherwise the master looks very good from the trailers. The 1.85:1 version here is both taller and wider than the 1.85:1 cut of the Blu Ray! The framing is 99% similar to the Laserdisc!
So, mixed-bag! But the DNR-ing will be glaring in IMAX screens(15/70 ones).
Edited by Papai2011 - 1/28/13 at 5:46am
post #1692 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

So, mixed-bag! But the DNR-ing will be glaring in IMAX screens(15/70 ones).
Extremely unlikely that they'll make 15/70 prints, which cost $30-50k a pop, for a 6-day engagement. And IMAX blowups pretty much have glaring DNR by definition.
post #1693 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

No, check out the Jurassic Park IMAX 3D trailer on youtube! Its definitely a new master. The Colour saturation is exotic and film-like, the details are poor, evidence of DNR in all shots! No visible grain present. Close-up shots of faces look waxy and Brachiosaurus skins have been scrubbed clean of any detail (the distant shot of the Brachios in the lake) Otherwise the master looks very good from the trailers. The 1.85:1 version here is both taller and wider than the 1.85:1 cut of the Blu Ray! The framing is 99% similar to the Laserdisc!
Somixed-bag! But the DNR-ing will be glaring in IMAX screens(15/70 ones).

More like a bag of sh*t. How can you claim it is at all film-like alongside any of those other descriptions? Impossible! First off, YouTube can't tell you much, not even really what the final Blu-ray framing will be. Even so, I said that they won't do a new transfer. There's no doubt that they made a new master... even if it is from the old one. We'll know as soon as the Blu-ray goes to pressing. wink.gif
post #1694 of 1995
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Extremely unlikely that they'll make 15/70 prints, which cost $30-50k a pop, for a 6-day engagement. And IMAX blowups pretty much have glaring DNR by definition.

IIRC, the IMAX run of Raiders of the Lost Ark last year only played in digital IMAX theaters. No 15/70 prints were struck. I'd expect the same from this.
post #1695 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

No visible grain present.
Because it's f***ing youtube!
post #1696 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

No, check out the Jurassic Park IMAX 3D trailer on youtube! Its definitely a new master. The Colour saturation is exotic and film-like, the details are poor, evidence of DNR in all shots! No visible grain present. Close-up shots of faces look waxy and Brachiosaurus skins have been scrubbed clean of any detail(the distant shot of the Brachios in the lake) Otherwise the master looks very good from the trailers. The 1.85:1 version here is both taller and wider than the 1.85:1 cut of the Blu Ray! The framing is 99% similar to the Laserdisc!
So, mixed-bag! But the DNR-ing will be glaring in IMAX screens(15/70 ones).

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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

More like a bag of sh*t. How can you claim it is at all film-like alongside any of those other descriptions? Impossible! First off, YouTube can't tell you much, not even really what the final Blu-ray framing will be. Even so, I said that they won't do a new transfer. There's no doubt that they made a new master... even if it is from the old one. We'll know as soon as the Blu-ray goes to pressing. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Because it's f***ing youtube!

I LOL'd!
post #1697 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

No, check out the Jurassic Park IMAX 3D trailer on youtube! Its definitely a new master. The Colour saturation is exotic and film-like, the details are poor, evidence of DNR in all shots! No visible grain present. Close-up shots of faces look waxy and Brachiosaurus skins have been scrubbed clean of any detail(the distant shot of the Brachios in the lake) Otherwise the master looks very good from the trailers. The 1.85:1 version here is both taller and wider than the 1.85:1 cut of the Blu Ray! The framing is 99% similar to the Laserdisc!
Keep in mind that the current blu-ray has rather exaggerated grain. The daylit stuff should have minimal visible grain, because it was shot on perfectly modern fine grained film stock. High-speed stocks for low-light stuff circa 1993 were still pretty crappy, but the sharpening isn't doing the grain any favors.
post #1698 of 1995
They most likely scrubbed it before converting to 3D. Grain contained on the footage can't be converted to 3D, but fake "3D grain" can be added after the conversion takes place.
post #1699 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post



I LOL'd!
Sometimes I do wonder where the opinions stop and the satire begins...
post #1700 of 1995
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Because it's f***ing youtube!


Thank you... judge the restoration on Youtube it's totally nonsense in a Forum like this.

Here's some promotional stills of the 3D release (not of the BD) released months ago, with the Trailer, and as you can see are different from it (Youtube AND Downloaded HD version).
Remember that these are just images, compressed in JPG format (and with compression isseus), that have's nothing to do with the BD, so do not start saying "i don't see the grain, DNR!" "Damn you Universal" or things like that, please: tongue.gif

JP 3D Promo

JP 3D Promo

JP 3D Promo

JP 3D Promo

JP 3D Promo

JP 3D Promo

JP 3D Promo

These on the THX VT50 looks stunning, remind me of the Reliance transfers.

Can't wait for the BD.
Edited by VickPS - 1/31/13 at 7:02am
post #1701 of 1995
Will there be a 2D BD that comes with this package?
post #1702 of 1995
Yes, but probably it's gonna be old transfer (!!!).
post #1703 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

Yes, but probably it's gonna be old transfer (!!!).

God, I hope not! That would be the insult to end all past Universal catalog insults! They'd have a new restoration regardless of it being 3D or not (it's a conversion anyway and not something I'd want), so why not release a 2D version with the 3D pack?
post #1704 of 1995
From Blu-ray.com, alleged response from Universal:
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"The 2D Blu-ray and DVD releases to be included is our upcoming "Jurassic Park" 3D package will use the master that was created for the Jurassic Park Ultimate Trilogy in 2011.

We hope that you will continue to enjoy our releases.

SIncerely,

Consumer Relations
UNIVERSAL STUDIOS HOME ENTERTAINMENT"
"master that was created for the Jurassic Park Ultimate Trilogy in 2011", that must be joke, right? How old that master is, 10 years?
post #1705 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

From Blu-ray.com, alleged response from Universal:
"master that was created for the Jurassic Park Ultimate Trilogy in 2011", that must be joke, right? How old that master is, 10 years?

As I see it there have always been three realistic options for the 2-D disc we'll be given in the 3-D set:

1. Exact copy of the current 2-D Blu-ray.
2. Same master as the current 2-D Blu-ray, minus filtering (yay?)
3. Left eye or right eye stream of the 3-D version

Annnnd the option we all WANT:

4. New, modern scan, mastered and encoded with minimal filtering.

I'm going to nitpick and speculate for a second. Assuming that e-mail from "UNIVERSAL STUDIOS HOME ENTERTAINMENT" is 100% true, including misspelling "in" as "is" and spelling "sincerely" as "SIncerely", it could still be either #1 or #2, given the responder's definition of "master".
post #1706 of 1995
As long as they re-do the 3D bluray, who cares about a 2D version.
post #1707 of 1995
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Originally Posted by huskerbear View Post

As long as they re-do the 3D bluray, who cares about a 2D version.

Serious question is serious?
post #1708 of 1995
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

Serious question is serious?
Obvious troll is obvious...
post #1709 of 1995
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Originally Posted by huskerbear View Post

As long as they re-do the 3D bluray, who cares about a 2D version.
People who DON"T GIVE A FLYING F*CK about 3D crap?
post #1710 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

People who DON"T GIVE A FLYING F*CK about 3D crap?

This... plus it's a 2D conversion without even re-rendering the CGI elements. That kind of cheap crap has gotta stop.
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