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post #1741 of 1995
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

The studios shouldn't be surprised if the 3D is ripped to allow 2D playback, assuming it isn't already authored to allow this.

If the 3-D version is indeed a quality master, I'll be first in line to do just that.
post #1742 of 1995
So has anyone watched the newly released Blu Rays? Is there any difference in PQ from these compared to the box set from last year?
post #1743 of 1995
What new Blu-ray?
post #1744 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

What new Blu-ray?

Universal finally broke out the individual movies to separate releases. Same discs as last year, just no longer bundled in the box set.
post #1745 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Universal finally broke out the individual movies to separate releases. Same discs as last year, just no longer bundled in the box set.

Oh, I see.
post #1746 of 1995
And in the 3D set coming out... the 2D disc is STILL the old version and not based on their new master done for the 3D version. Universal Home Video seems to be filled with frickin' morons.
post #1747 of 1995
One possibility is, Universal will milk out the first movie again but with the new 2D transfer for when Jurassic Park 4 hits theaters....probably an $8 credit towards seeing it or something.
post #1748 of 1995
Speaking of 3D, are they converting all three films, or just the first one?
post #1749 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

Speaking of 3D, are they converting all three films, or just the first one?

That probably depends on how well the first one does, though I doubt there's much interest in re-releasing the other two.
post #1750 of 1995
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

One possibility is, Universal will milk out the first movie again but with the new 2D transfer for when Jurassic Park 4 hits theaters....probably an $8 credit towards seeing it or something.

Sounds about right. Though, they'll probably need those freebie tickets just to get butts in the seats for the fourth film, given how lackluster the third installment was.
post #1751 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

Speaking of 3D, are they converting all three films, or just the first one?

As of now, just the first one, but who knows? They could very well do 3D conversions of the other two and release them straight-to-blu-ray just for the sake of consistency with the upcoming fourth movie, which will be native 3D. I mean, kinda awkward to have 3D versions of the first and fourth movies but none for the middle two, right?
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

And in the 3D set coming out... the 2D disc is STILL the old version and not based on their new master done for the 3D version. Universal Home Video seems to be filled with frickin' morons.

On the other hand, if the new 2D master has been altered or "fixed" or "corrected" beyond what was shown in theaters in 1993, then the inclusion of an outdated but unaltered transfer of the original version would be preferable, if less than ideal.

Also, including a nice new 2D transfer would only serve to highlight how poor the initial release from just a couple years ago was. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only blu-ray transfer Universal's redone is Out of Africa, and then only because the pq was so atrociously bad. Like it or not, the JP blu-ray looks more-than-passable to most people.
post #1752 of 1995
Jurassic Park 4 = Kingdom of the Crystal Skull......Unless that pull their heads out of their asses and compete with JP1 rolleyes.gif
post #1753 of 1995
I bought The Lost World and JP-3 and I've had the chance to watch The Lost World. Can anyone comment about Ian at John's mansion? I didn't think the light coming and washing out Ian's jacket sleeve looked very good. But I was wondering if anyone thought it looked like it was "enhanced" or the amount of light coming in really washed out his sleeve on the original film.
post #1754 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

...if the new 2D master has been altered or "fixed" or "corrected" beyond what was shown in theaters in 1993, then the inclusion of an outdated but unaltered transfer of the original version would be preferable, if less than ideal.
There isn't a fix or a correction simply an arbitrary alteration that does nothing for skin tones.
post #1755 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

I know I've asked this question before (probably in this very same thread), but when exactly was the transfer used in the 2011 blu-ray done??? I should clarify that by "transfer" I'm talking about the actual scan from the film element, not the final hd master itself (everyone keeps throwing around a date of circa 2006, but that's merely when the most recent hd master was likely "prepared" before it sat on the shelf another five years). Was the actual film scan done in 2006 or did Uni take the hd master done way back in 2000 (for the dvd), tweak it a little in 2006 and dump it on disc in 2011???
Here's the screen cap from the 2011 Blu-ray(Top), and the Japanese Superbit DVD from 2003(Bottom). You can tell the master comes from the same HD source years ago.



Also Jurassic Park from the 2005 DVD Adventure Pack comes with the same disc released in 2000. So Im not surpassed if Universal has been sticking to the same master years ago.


http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare2/jurassicpark.htm
post #1756 of 1995
I think it's obvious (or should be) for everyone, like me, who've seen Jurassic Park through all these years on DVD, that Universal used very old master from pre-HD (I mean REAL high definition) era.
post #1757 of 1995
http://fxguide.com/featured/welcome-back-to-jurassic-park/
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We took the original 1993 35mm O-neg, did a 4K scan of the picture. We did a full restoration on the image, and a full color-correction. Steven really wanted to match the original look – the color is very similar to the original. Which means you watch it and you have this brand new experience but you don’t feel like you’re watching a different movie. It’s the same cut you saw in 1993 but we just dimensionalized it.
post #1758 of 1995
Thanks for that link, I was curious about the transfer.
post #1759 of 1995
Just got back from this in the theater. Like seeing it on the big screen again. Same orange tint through out. 3d was ok, have seen better conversions. Colors were not vibrant at all. No pop. Really dull actually. I felt it had a soap opera/washed out look to it. (I know this could have been the projector at the theater. Emagine Theater, Novi Michigan. On there E3 screen which is similar size wise as IMAX, floor to ceiling.) But I have seen other movies in this same theater(screen #9) and they were not dull at all color wise. Theater had full Dolby Atmos to boot. Sound was just ok. I remember the original having bass that shook the theater. This was not the case here. Good crisp dialogue and every detail was sharp and clean sounding. Overall, I did it for the nostalgia and to see it with my 15 year old daughter on the big screen. I give it 3/5.

Honestly, with bass shakers on my chairs and a more vibrant 73" DLP TV, the blu-ray with film grain felt better to me. redface.gif
post #1760 of 1995
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Originally Posted by DRaven72 View Post

Honestly, with bass shakers on my chairs and a more vibrant 73" DLP TV, the blu-ray with film grain felt better to me. redface.gif

Thanks for your report, it confirms what I expected. You make me glad that I decided not to see Jurassic Park again in the theater because (1) I don't like 3D and (2) I figured that the PQ and AQ of my BD copy of the film would be about as good as what I would have seen and heard in the theater.
post #1761 of 1995
So you prefer Blu-ray based on awful, decade old transfer over faithful restoration?
post #1762 of 1995
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Good to hear it's a new 4K scan!

Now let's see how the Blu-ray pans out...
post #1763 of 1995
So is the 3D version de-grained theatrically? (mind you, the blu-ray has too much grain, but the night/low-light footage shouldn't be particularly glossy)
Hopefully the 2D screenings are a separate DCP without the DNR, rather than one eye of the 3D transfer. Which would also be problematic since 3D version is likely graded to compensate for the 3D dimming. Not sure how theaters do that, though.
Edited by 42041 - 4/5/13 at 3:17pm
post #1764 of 1995
As long as I know there will be 3D-only screenings.

I wonder how long we have to wait for restored 2D Blu-ray...
post #1765 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

As long as I know there will be 3D-only screenings.

I wonder how long we have to wait for restored 2D Blu-ray...
My local Cinemark and AMC are showing it in 2D as well (though the AMC has one flat screening a day, at 11am, but that place stinks anyway).
post #1766 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

So you prefer Blu-ray based on awful, decade old transfer over faithful restoration?

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Fatihful Restoration? Really? You believe them after all the crap about the 2D transfer? They didn't clean up the CGI in it either. I don't care what you read. My eyes told me all that I MYSELF needed to see and know. They can tell you all about the "restoration" they did all they want. I am telling you that someone who is 4 hours removed from seeing it, in that theater I was in, it was flat color and dull. And like I said maybe it was the projector, but unlikely as I have seen other films on their top screen. No, like others suspected, Universal did a half ass job on this unlike how great JAWS came out. That was a True Restoration. It wasn't even close to the level of "Restoration" they did on jaws.

Why don't you go see the early matinee tomorrow and see for yourself instead of trolling this thread. rolleyes.gif
post #1767 of 1995
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Originally Posted by DRaven72 View Post

Fatihful Restoration? Really? You believe them after all the crap about the 2D transfer?
The blu-ray transfer was done by Universal, this one seems to have been done by the people at StereoD. Which could be a good or a bad thing, I don't know.
(and I very much doubt Jurassic Park needs any kind of "restoration" past removing a few dust specks.)
post #1768 of 1995
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Originally Posted by DRaven72 View Post

Just got back from this in the theater. Like seeing it on the big screen again. Same orange tint through out. 3d was ok, have seen better conversions. Colors were not vibrant at all. No pop. Really dull actually. I felt it had a soap opera/washed out look to it. (I know this could have been the projector at the theater. Emagine Theater, Novi Michigan. On there E3 screen which is similar size wise as IMAX, floor to ceiling.) But I have seen other movies in this same theater(screen #9) and they were not dull at all color wise. Theater had full Dolby Atmos to boot. Sound was just ok. I remember the original having bass that shook the theater. This was not the case here. Good crisp dialogue and every detail was sharp and clean sounding. Overall, I did it for the nostalgia and to see it with my 15 year old daughter on the big screen. I give it 3/5.

Honestly, with bass shakers on my chairs and a more vibrant 73" DLP TV, the blu-ray with film grain felt better to me. redface.gif

The DTS laserdisc had the same kind of visceral bass as the original theatrical presentations (they used the theatrical mix masters). No other version on video has matched that classic LD.
post #1769 of 1995
I concur with much of Draven72's report...although I thought the 3D conversion was pretty good. Really raised the tension in some scenes even higher. The sound was weak in my theater as well but I thought it was just the room, as it wasn't the best one in the multiplex. Perhaps its a problem with the mix itself. The image looked like it might have been degrained a bit but fine detail was still there. There is one shot of a raptor by the kitchen door that's always been really grainy and it was still grainy here. One or two shots I thought I saw some edge enhancement. It's not my favorite Spielberg film as I think there are some bad scenes here and there, and the ending is anti-climactic, but it's still a fun roller coaster ride.
post #1770 of 1995
Lot of hate here for the new colour timing, which was done as par Spielberg's orders directly from the original negative, according to a new interview posted on fxguide's website!
I loved the new colour timed version. Never felt flat or dull to me, and way way better than the CRAPPY Colour of the trashy bluray! Very close to the original colour timing. Look at some stills of the 35mm film frames and you'll see it!
Edited by Papai2011 - 4/6/13 at 4:55am
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