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post #1951 of 1995
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

Just a test clip - 1000 frames, 1280x720 25p, no audio, compressed at 2000kbps with x264:



Could be downloaded here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ahbob6

Very nice, and I applaud your efforts, but could you do one without the aggressive noise reduction? Just an averaged, unfiltered version?
post #1952 of 1995
+1, nice work smile.gif
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

at the end, I discovered that halos are in the laserdisc...

If your player was made by Pioneer (apologies if I missed this info), it may be introducing the halos. There was a discussion on the alt.video.laserdisc newsgroup about it (LD guru Kurtis B. participated in the discussion, IIRC). I'll post a link when I find it again.
post #1953 of 1995
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

Thank you very much! It's rewarding to see at least one person likes my work...
I've noticed that too; I thought the halo was due the wrong spatial alignement between the captures - it could be noticed for example in the first clip, in Hammond's nose, where he watch at the monitor... I keep on looking at the clips, and noticed that halos were not in every scene... maybe is the denoise script, I thought... at the end, I discovered that halos are in the laserdisc... so, it could be hard (if not impossible) to avoid them; I'll try to use a modified script to try to minimize them.

You're welcome!
Ok, try that! And one thing I noticed also, the skin texture in the Brachiosaur clip appears a bit waxy smooth, the details (where there any in the LD?) are missing.

A simulated 3D-ish image I did in photoshop. Enjoy!
Click on image to enlarge!

Edited by Papai2011 - 4/25/13 at 12:58pm
post #1954 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Nissen View Post

Very nice, and I applaud your efforts, but could you do one without the aggressive noise reduction? Just an averaged, unfiltered version?

i tried a lot of noise filters, but this one is the one I prefer, albeit I must admit is a little bit too aggressive, but on my 55' it works pretty well!

An averaged unfiltered version, also if has less noise than a single capture, is barely watchable, in comparison to HD versions...

I'm open to suggestion about avisynth noise filters.

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Originally Posted by Vlad Theimpaler View Post

+1, nice work smile.gif
If your player was made by Pioneer (apologies if I missed this info), it may be introducing the halos. There was a discussion on the alt.video.laserdisc newsgroup about it (LD guru Kurtis B. participated in the discussion, IIRC). I'll post a link when I find it again.

I have several laserdisc players, but almost all are Pioneer... I also have a Philips, but it doesn't work very well... maybe it could be used to test few scenes to see if there are some halos.

As far as I know, the only good PAL laserdisc players brands are Pioneer and Philips, as Sony seems subpar, and Panasonic are really rare - all the others are only clones. I'm trying to find a Theta Data II, that should be a rebranded Panasonic clone - it could be one of the best PAL laserdisc ever made... maybe!

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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

You're welcome!
Ok, try that! And one thing I noticed also, the skin texture in the Brachiosaur clip appears a bit waxy smooth, the details (where there any in the LD?) are missing.

Actually, the only thing that laserdisc has more than the clip I posted, is rainbowing caused by the laserdisc comb filter...
post #1955 of 1995
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

Actually, the only thing that laserdisc has more than the clip I posted, is rainbowing caused by the laserdisc comb filter...
Oh, ok.
Btw, how did you like the 3d-ish image I created, I know its not very good, but a feedback would be appreciated!
post #1956 of 1995
Sorry, as i have not a 3D TV, I could not leave any feedback... or, if it is intended to give extra depth to a 2D image, it works!
post #1957 of 1995
Watched the LD version along with the BD 3D after wards and then the DVD. Then I watched the 2k BD and after that I watched the 3D in 2D, so far the lead goes to the BD 3D hands down is the best job I have seen done on a conversion with accurate colors and a sharp picture. Watching it on a 50" VT25 there were no dark scenes I could see, as far as I'm concerned it is the best copy of JP done to this day even with dnr scrubbing it still looks and feels amazing.
post #1958 of 1995
I've done two clips with different denoiser: test1d has the same script of the first clip I posted here (with Hammond talking in the mic); test1e has a completely different script.

Althought when viewed as still images, zoomed, the first clip I posted is (mostly) better, when in motion there are no big difference, and these last clips seems a bit more natural; plus, conversion time is from 3 to 10 time faster...

http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/n40ccKxrPh1ndJNWmNWBLQ (each clip is around 40MB)

Feedback are welcome; I'd like to release this project ASAP, considering that the fastest script will take at least two days - the slowest TWENTY days! - I'll be happy to release it before may 1st.
post #1959 of 1995
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

Sorry, as i have not a 3D TV, I could not leave any feedback... or, if it is intended to give extra depth to a 2D image, it works!

Its not in 3D, its in 2D, only edited to give a sense of depth!
post #1960 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Nimo View Post

Watched the LD version along with the BD 3D after wards and then the DVD. Then I watched the 2k BD and after that I watched the 3D in 2D, so far the lead goes to the BD 3D hands down is the best job I have seen done on a conversion with accurate colors and a sharp picture. Watching it on a 50" VT25 there were no dark scenes I could see, as far as I'm concerned it is the best copy of JP done to this day even with dnr scrubbing it still looks and feels amazing.

My thoughts too! smile.gif
post #1961 of 1995
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

I've done two clips with different denoiser: test1d has the same script of the first clip I posted here (with Hammond talking in the mic); test1e has a completely different script.

Althought when viewed as still images, zoomed, the first clip I posted is (mostly) better, when in motion there are no big difference, and these last clips seems a bit more natural; plus, conversion time is from 3 to 10 time faster...

http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/n40ccKxrPh1ndJNWmNWBLQ (each clip is around 40MB)

Feedback are welcome; I'd like to release this project ASAP, considering that the fastest script will take at least two days - the slowest TWENTY days! - I'll be happy to release it before may 1st.

Great clip! Keep it up! can't wait!
in the previous Brachiosaur clip there was double image around the characters and objects in the screen, like ghosting. Hope you can correct it.
No such issues in the last clip. .smile.gif
But can't wait!
Edited by Papai2011 - 4/26/13 at 11:07am
post #1962 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Papai2011 View Post

Great clip! Keep it up! can't wait!
in the previous Brachiosaur clip there was double image around the characters and objects in the screen, like ghosting. Hope you can correct it.
No such issues in the last clip. .smile.gif
But can't wait!

If there are no issues in the last clip, likely there will be none (or at least not too much) in the final release. Be patient for some days, I hope to release it next week.

Keep an eye at my thread about the project. If you are not a member, sign up and send me a P.M. there with an invitation request.
post #1963 of 1995
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

I've done two clips with different denoiser: test1d has the same script of the first clip I posted here (with Hammond talking in the mic); test1e has a completely different script.

Althought when viewed as still images, zoomed, the first clip I posted is (mostly) better, when in motion there are no big difference, and these last clips seems a bit more natural; plus, conversion time is from 3 to 10 time faster...

http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/n40ccKxrPh1ndJNWmNWBLQ (each clip is around 40MB)

Feedback are welcome; I'd like to release this project ASAP, considering that the fastest script will take at least two days - the slowest TWENTY days! - I'll be happy to release it before may 1st.

Excellent work!
I looked and I looked but I couldn't tell the clips apart. Either you were just trying to fool me and actually uploaded identical clips or the differences are so minimal I can't catch them on my monitor.
Either way, I'd say go with the fastest script.
Would you do me the favour of uploading a clip of the averaged capture, at native PAL resolution, just so I can see a before and after?

And what soundtracks were you going to include in your final release again?

Many thanks.

Edit: Oh, you're THAT guy from OT.com! I'll join you over there then!

(My nick is VideoCollector over there).
post #1964 of 1995
Nissen, the clips ARE different, but barely noticeable on small monitors... the fastest script (test clip 1e) has more residual noise visible in single frames, but when in motion the difference is not worth the 10x processing time, plus it looks more natural, so I decided to go with it.

By the way, here you are the original median clip at standard definition: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7y6atc

It's not that bad, considering that is from a laserdisc, but the resolution is not so high, too much noise also if it's median (single captures are a little worst, of course), and rainbow effect is present due to poor comb filter... the final clip is a lot better to me!
post #1965 of 1995
On either the 2D Blu Ray or DVD watch this scene and keep your eyes on Dodgson where I've highlighted the area.



Can this even be something with the camera lens? I think it's some kind of mistake with the scanning of the film for the master because you'll notice it doesn't move, it's a fixed "shadow" on him. The panning scene of him walking to Dennis also has the same problem with it. I think Universal is pretty pathetic if this is something their studio did wrong and permitted it to be used for distribution. Can anyone say what this would be caused by?

I also noticed a ton of lens flare from the Jeep's light bar in the scene where Dennis meets the dilophosaurus, I think it's at the end of that scene. I thought it was pretty bad, but at least that seemed more likely to be the camera rather than "remastering."
post #1966 of 1995
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Originally Posted by www.laserdisc.ws View Post

If there are no issues in the last clip, likely there will be none (or at least not too much) in the final release. Be patient for some days, I hope to release it next week.

Keep an eye at my thread about the project. If you are not a member, sign up and send me a P.M. there with an invitation request.

I registered there, and have sent you a P.M.!
post #1967 of 1995
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

Can this even be something with the camera lens? I think it's some kind of mistake with the scanning of the film for the master because you'll notice it doesn't move, it's a fixed "shadow" on him.
It IS shadow of some kind of pole or something. Just a typical movie mistake.

I just got back from theater. 3D was pretty good for times, but completely unnecessary. I've seen it in Dolby 3D and it was awful. The image was too dark, with washed out, lifeless colors. It was nothing like the screens from 3D BD.
post #1968 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

It IS shadow of some kind of pole or something. Just a typical movie mistake.

I just got back from theater. 3D was pretty good for times, but completely unnecessary. I've seen it in Dolby 3D and it was awful. The image was too dark, with washed out, lifeless colors. It was nothing like the screens from 3D BD.

Your theater seems to have created the problem. As the 3D was awesome. But like you one of my viewings had similar problems- dimly lit screen no discernible 3D effect. Its the fault with calibration of the projector system, and idiot projectionists!
Edited by Papai2011 - 4/28/13 at 12:05am
post #1969 of 1995
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vertigo View Post

It IS shadow of some kind of pole or something. Just a typical movie mistake.

I just got back from theater. 3D was pretty good for times, but completely unnecessary. I've seen it in Dolby 3D and it was awful. The image was too dark, with washed out, lifeless colors. It was nothing like the screens from 3D BD.

Your theater seems to have created the problem. As the 3D was awesome. But like you one of my viewings had similar problems- dimly lit screen no discernible 3D effect. Its the fault with calibration of the projector system, and idiot projectionists!

If the experience was that bad I would ask for a refund, poorly trained PJ's could ruin the whole movie experience. As mentioned no dark crush on the BD 3D colors are spot on and also no crosstalk when setting my VT25 to 48 Hz, didn't notice any ghosting either.smile.gif
post #1970 of 1995
I've heard that Dolby 3d is inferior to Real D. I actually enjoyed the Real D 3D experience of Avatar over the Imax 3D one. My Jurassic screening was in Real D and I had no complaints.
post #1971 of 1995
My theater was always disappointing in terms of lightness and colors of 3D movies, but this time it was more dramatic than ever. First of all, I've seen Jurassic Park dozens of times. Second, I've seen screenshots from 3D BD, so that dull, ugly, lifeless thing I witnessed was just bleh.
post #1972 of 1995
To whom it may concern, Jurassic Park [ruLes] is ready! Search on the net how to obtain it... and have fun!
post #1973 of 1995
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To whom it may concern, Jurassic Park [ruLes] is ready! Search on the net how to obtain it... and have fun!
Its SOLID! Great work! Looks and sounds good! A totally praiseworthy effort here !!!
post #1974 of 1995
I was disappointed in the sound. I was expecting to hear the T-Rex's roar in the final scene from every speaker in the theater as it resonated in the Visitor's Center. Sadly, it felt neutered coming only from the front.
post #1975 of 1995
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I was disappointed in the sound. I was expecting to hear the T-Rex's roar in the final scene from every speaker in the theater as it resonated in the Visitor's Center. Sadly, it felt neutered coming only from the front.


That's why the DTS DVD is so prized. It has the original DTS mix from the theatre prints which also ended up on the DTS Laserdisc release.
post #1976 of 1995
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That's why the DTS DVD is so prized. It has the original DTS mix from the theatre prints which also ended up on the DTS Laserdisc release.

Thanks for the info. Just grabbed a used copy off of amazon.ca for $4.50 (listed as the DTS version; hopefully seller will confirm it with me). I can probably make my own disc with the BD picture and the DTS sound.
post #1977 of 1995
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Originally Posted by eday_2010 View Post

I was disappointed in the sound. I was expecting to hear the T-Rex's roar in the final scene from every speaker in the theater as it resonated in the Visitor's Center. Sadly, it felt neutered coming only from the front.

Which Blu-Ray is this, the 2D or the 3D?
post #1978 of 1995
Does anyone know of a release of The Lost World with the subtitles of the Japanese men fleeing in terror shouting wit one of them saying "This is why I left Japan?"
post #1979 of 1995
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Originally Posted by I-C-Blue View Post

Which Blu-Ray is this, the 2D or the 3D?

Both as far as I know. I haven't watched the 3D one yet, but I am guessing it will be the same as the 3D theatrical release, which had the roar only coming from the front.
post #1980 of 1995
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Originally Posted by eday_2010 View Post

Both as far as I know. I haven't watched the 3D one yet, but I am guessing it will be the same as the 3D theatrical release, which had the roar only coming from the front.


Gary Rydstrom remixed the film for the 3D release, so it's apparently as he wanted it. I don't know what he did for the original Blu-Ray release though it's claimed that he did a new mix for that as well. Perhaps there's a fault in the Blu-Ray master encode that didn't lay out the sound properly.
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