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post #121 of 349
Also what I saw was some ghosting on Avatar at the beginning with the 20th century clip. I also so some in the movie. Very minor but the artifacting I was really talking about was the stair stepping on diagonal lines sometimes and the weird 3D effects that you talked about with some bright colors. I agree though it still does a decent job with Avatar comparing it to the real thing. Although its not as sharp with the converter and thats understandable. 720p cut in half is pretty low resolution.
post #122 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

Yes.

Then that would look way better than through the VIP theatre! Maybe I will look into the DLP link glasses.
post #123 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

the ones I bought were from True Depth 3D.

How do they compare to the RF glasses as far as color fidelity? I wonder it its worth it to dump my RF glasses and go all DLP link. Glasses are a lot cheaper.
post #124 of 349
My new setup to bypass the monoprice converter works good but still don't care to much with the color fidelity I get using the Monoprice and VIP together. On my Acer color saturation, tint and sharpness settings disappear when the Monoprice converter is in the path. It outputs RGB and I think the Acer doesn't look as good with RGB color. 444 colors look much better when the Monoprice is bypassed.

I also don't think the VIP is processing SBS from the monoprice very well. The right eye image shifts around a little which blurs the image a little. I noticed it when I display a menu with text. The text looks screwed up. The text looks squiggly...like worms.

Ron
post #125 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

How do they compare to the RF glasses as far as color fidelity? I wonder it its worth it to dump my RF glasses and go all DLP link. Glasses are a lot cheaper.

I think you only need the RF glasses for 60 HZ and not 120 Hz. I was surprised in how good the DLP glasses are. I got my replacement RF glasses and watched Legends of the Guardians which has a lot of night and twilight scenes last night.
I will see how it fairs with th DLP glasses. At this point I don't regret buying the DLP glasses at all. Since light is kicked up in DLP mode this compensates for the glasses.
post #126 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

My new setup to bypass the monoprice converter works good but still don't care to much with the color fidelity I get using the Monoprice and VIP together. On my Acer color saturation, tint and sharpness settings disappear when the Monoprice converter is in the path. It outputs RGB and I think the Acer doesn't look as good with RGB color. 444 colors look much better when the Monoprice is bypassed.

I also don't think the VIP is processing SBS from the monoprice very well. The right eye image shifts around a little which blurs the image a little. I noticed it when I display a menu with text. The text looks screwed up. The text looks squiggly...like worms.

Ron

I didn't notice the settings for color sat,tint,and sharpness disappearing when I used the monoprice. I will look again. I run the vip and monoprice in parallel with the HDFury2 acting as a 2nd input via component. I need to set up my new switcher to do this saving the HDFury2 for 60 Hz viewing.
post #127 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

I think you only need the RF glasses for 60 HZ and not 120 Hz. I was surprised in how good the DLP glasses are. I got my replacement RF glasses and watched Legends of the Guardians which has a lot of night and twilight scenes last night.
I will see how it fairs with th DLP glasses. At this point I don't regret buying the DLP glasses at all. Since light is kicked up in DLP mode this compensates for the glasses.

I noticed that when you buy quantity of the DLP glasses you got the price goes down. Should I buy a set or one to try it out?

I am convinced the VIP isn't handling the Monoprice output very well or the Monoprice SBS output isn't very good. I think the Monoprice needs to be connected directly to the projector for it to work right. So DLP glasses are needed.
post #128 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

I didn't notice the settings for color sat,tint,and sharpness disappearing when I used the monoprice. I will look again. I run the vip and monoprice in parallel with the HDFury2 acting as a 2nd input via component. I need to set up my new switcher to do this saving the HDFury2 for 60 Hz viewing.

With my new setup I can easily set it up so that the VIP and monoprice are in parallel. My Monoprice HDMI 5x1 switcher works great so I can place that on the Acer input and switch in 5 different sources if i want. My HDMI splitter works great on the output of my Duo too so i can feed both processors at the same time.

I just hate having another set of glasses and that I can't use all of them at the same time. the RF glasses look wonderful with Bluray 3D. Colors look perfectly balanced. I use Movie mode. Up the contrast to 50 and lower the saturation to 45. The color of fire looks just right set to 45. Even though the Acer is a little over saturated its balanced across all colors. Unlike my RS1 which is way off without my Duo to correct it. The blue menus on the Duo look purple or more towards magenta without the CMS engaged on the Duo. The Duo is a nice VP for the price.

Update: Also with my 3D bluray/VIP setup I use the same red, green and blue setting on the Acer while in Nvidia 3D mode with the Movie mode when 3D is turned off. That way i can use all the different modes. The Nvidia color settings look very good with the RF glasses.
post #129 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

I noticed that when you buy quantity of the DLP glasses you got the price goes down. Should I buy a set or one to try it out?

I am convinced the VIP isn't handling the Monoprice output very well or the Monoprice SBS output isn't very good. I think the Monoprice needs to be connected directly to the projector for it to work right. So DLP glasses are needed.

I had the same quandry as you to buy a set or 1. I opted for the single since I didn't know how well they worked. I too was worried about this washout issue but that doesn't seem to be a problem once the glasses are on. I should have gone for 2 but then the price difference between 1 and 2 is not that great except for paying extra shipping. Your a stickler on your colors being just right. I do know their much brighter than the IR's.
post #130 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

I had the same quandry as you to buy a set or 1. I opted for the single since I didn't know how well they worked. I too was worried about this washout issue but that doesn't seem to be a problem once the glasses are on. I should have gone for 2 but then the price difference between 1 and 2 is not that great except for paying extra shipping. Your a stickler on your colors being just right. I do know their much brighter than the IR's.

Let me know if the DLP link glasses are as bright as the RF glasses. If they look about the same I'll order a pair. If they turn out to be really good I may just sell my RF glasses and go all DLP link. I really don't need to have all the different modes working. Degamma is all I need and that is still active in DLP link.
post #131 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

Let me know if the DLP link glasses are as bright as the RF glasses. If they look about the same I'll order a pair. If they turn out to be really good I may just sell my RF glasses and go all DLP link. I really don't need to have all the different modes working. Degamma is all I need and that is still active in DLP link.

I will compare on Legends. Don't know if I will get to it tonight. Need to finish with the RF glasses so I can send the defective ones back. Didn't think to do that last night before switching over to Monoprice to see how it faired on cable. I do recall in going from one to other, although on different material, didn't see any draw backs other than that stinking little remote for the acer and how you need to point it at it a certain way to get into the menu. Hate having no lense shift and independent focus and magnification for image size.
post #132 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

I will compare on Legends. Don't know if I will get to it tonight. Need to finish with the RF glasses so I can send the defective ones back. Didn't think to do that last night before switching over to Monoprice to see how it faired on cable. I do recall in going from one to other, although on different material, didn't see any draw backs other than that stinking little remote for the acer and how you need to point it at it a certain way to get into the menu. Hate having no lense shift and independent focus and magnification for image size.

I have the 1.5x converter lens and the projector setup is mounted 21 feet away from my 120 inch diagonal screen. The lens is so big it blocks the IR window so I installed a blaster right next to the window. The remote works fine although my IR pickup is mounted right above my screen. It might be the IR window on the projector that is directional since the remote works as well as any of my other remotes with my blaster pickup.
post #133 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

I have the 1.5x converter lens and the projector setup is mounted 21 feet away from my 120 inch diagonal screen. The lens is so big it blocks the IR window so I installed a blaster right next to the window. The remote works fine although my IR pickup is mounted right above my screen. It might be the IR window on the projector that is directional since the remote works as well as any of my other remotes with my blaster pickup.

the only thing I HATE is that it won't let me choose the source in the menu and cycles through all inputs. I literally need to unplug HDMI to get it to cycle to component. I do not like to do hot plugging but only as a last resort. I know I shouldn't complain for a 3D pj for 500 dollars. If there is something in the menu I must have a mental block ( or maybe too much wine) to find it.
post #134 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

the only thing I HATE is that it won't let me choose the source in the menu and cycles through all inputs. I literally need to unplug HDMI to get it to cycle to component. I do not like to do hot plugging but only as a last resort. I know I shouldn't complain for a 3D pj for 500 dollars. If there is something in the menu I must have a mental block ( or maybe too much wine) to find it.

The remote has source selection but it cycles until you get to what you want. You can lock source as well in the menus so it doesn't keep cycling. I only use HDMI and lock source so no complaints there.
post #135 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

Let me know if the DLP link glasses are as bright as the RF glasses. If they look about the same I'll order a pair. If they turn out to be really good I may just sell my RF glasses and go all DLP link. I really don't need to have all the different modes working. Degamma is all I need and that is still active in DLP link.

I compared glasses on Legend of the Guardians and I thought the RF glasses were better on contrast. The DLP glasses were brighter I think do to sync via the screen.
Legends is a good movie to judge with . I think Tron would be good to. I was viewing with the DLP glasses on brighter movies and didn't notice the affect so much on contrast until I compared them. They are still descent though for the money.
post #136 of 349
Well this unit can do real 3D with side by side content. Ran a MKV of HTTYD through it in DLP link mode and looked very nice. I will check anaglph tonight.
post #137 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

Well this unit can do real 3D with side by side content. Ran a MKV of HTTYD through it in DLP link mode and looked very nice. I will check anaglph tonight.

I checked side by side half 3D to anaglyph last night on httyd side by side MKV and it worked very nice with no ghosting on what I watched. This unit is definitely a bargain for getting 3D on the cheap if one has access to side by side half material for either 2D anaglyph or 3D DLP. I'm impressed with this little gadget.
post #138 of 349
On the other hand its not working very well with the VIP 3D-Theatre unit in my setup. I have been too busy to tinker with other sources of SBS to see if its the Theatre unit that is causing problems or not and I don't want to spend any more money on DLP glasses.

Ron
post #139 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

On the other hand its not working very well with the VIP 3D-Theatre unit in my setup. I have been too busy to tinker with other sources of SBS to see if its the Theatre unit that is causing problems or not and I don't want to spend any more money on DLP glasses.

Ron

You can take the super cheap route and check side by side with anaglyph glasses. The 3D was also good for side by side material.
post #140 of 349
Have been running the hdmi switching in my optoma HD3000. Am trying out a Pioneer vsx-30 for audio and video switching. The HDMI caused a problem with my Monoprice causing it to either work in pass through or 2D/HDTV mode. Thoiught I had a failure but was the pioneer. Inswitched back to the optoma and everything went back to normal. These all in one receivers have issues and can cause interface issues with other equipment. So a word of caution on all in one receivers. I wish someone just made a preamp to handle surround.
post #141 of 349
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

You can take the super cheap route and check side by side with anaglyph glasses. The 3D was also good for side by side material.

I tried anaglyph and hated it! I can't get used to the crappy colors using anaglyph. As far as my color problems because the monoprice converter tells the display it sending RGB color I lose my saturation adjustment on my Acer. I can adjust it on my Duo before it goes into the monoprice though. The other thing I have to do is set my Duo to output RGB when using the monoprice converter or else my colors don't look right. In other words I feed it 4:4:4 color and it tells the display its RGB so the color decoding is off unti I send RGB to the monoprice converter.
post #142 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

I tried anaglyph and hated it! I can't get used to the crappy colors using anaglyph. As far as my color problems because the monoprice converter tells the display it sending RGB color I lose my saturation adjustment on my Acer. I can adjust it on my Duo before it goes into the monoprice though. The other thing I have to do is set my Duo to output RGB when using the monoprice converter or else my colors don't look right. In other words I feed it 4:4:4 color and it tells the display its RGB so the color decoding is off unti I send RGB to the monoprice converter.

I agree anaglyph gets to you after a while. It's easier to adjust to the loss of light with these other tecgnologies for watching 3D.
post #143 of 349
Sorry to jump in on this post - however can you please let me know if I would be able to use the monoprice and my vip thater unit to convert regular 2d material (tv) to 3d. Also - what is the overall effect - are users pleased with it? I am not sure where and how I would set it up in the line...

I used to have the 3d converter box back in the day and the effect was horrible.
post #144 of 349
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Originally Posted by space123321 View Post

Sorry to jump in on this post - however can you please let me know if I would be able to use the monoprice and my vip thater unit to convert regular 2d material (tv) to 3d. Also - what is the overall effect - are users pleased with it? I am not sure where and how I would set it up in the line...

I used to have the 3d converter box back in the day and the effect was horrible.

I have the vip displayer and use the monoprice independently to do side by side 3d to dlp conversion. Also the 2d to 3d is pretty good. The box can't handle 3d bluray pass through.
post #145 of 349
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Originally Posted by space123321 View Post

Sorry to jump in on this post - however can you please let me know if I would be able to use the monoprice and my vip thater unit to convert regular 2d material (tv) to 3d. Also - what is the overall effect - are users pleased with it? I am not sure where and how I would set it up in the line...

I used to have the 3d converter box back in the day and the effect was horrible.

The 2D to 3D converter can't pass 3D on Bluray in bypass to let the Theatre unit decode it so you need a way to bypass it. I used an HDMI splitter out of my Duo VP and that feeds the Monoprice converter which then goes to a Monoprice 5x1 switch. The other output of the splitter goes to another input on the switch. The output of the switch goes to the VIP Theatre. I bought 1 and 2 foot Bluejeans HDMI cables to make the connections. Then the Theatre unit is connected to my 3D ready Acer 5360. This works good! I can select either bypass or the Monoprice converter using the switcher remote.

One other issue is the Monoprice converter only outputs RGB video even if you feed it 444 so the colors will be off. You must set your source to output RGB when using the Monoprice converter if you want the colors to be correctly displayed. Even using its bypass it outputs only RGB or at least it tells the display RGB.

It works OK with the Theatre. Resolution ends up being 640x720 lines in SBS 3D. Its soft looking on a 10 foot screen. I may sell it. SBS would look a lot better using just the monoprice converter and DLP link glasses or if your projector had an emitter output you could convert 1080 SBS to 960x1080 lines but I have RF glasses and the decoding has to be done by the VIP because my projector doesn't have an emitter output.
post #146 of 349
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

The 2D to 3D converter can't pass 3D on Bluray in bypass to let the Theatre unit decode it so you need a way to bypass it. I used an HDMI splitter out of my Duo VP and that feeds the Monoprice converter which then goes to a Monoprice 5x1 switch. The other output of the splitter goes to another input on the switch. The output of the switch goes to the VIP Theatre. I bought 1 and 2 foot Bluejeans HDMI cables to make the connections. Then the Theatre unit is connected to my 3D ready Acer 5360. This works good! I can select either bypass or the Monoprice converter using the switcher remote.

One other issue is the Monoprice converter only outputs RGB video even if you feed it 444 so the colors will be off. You must set your source to output RGB when using the Monoprice converter if you want the colors to be correctly displayed. Even using its bypass it outputs only RGB or at least it tells the display RGB.

It works OK with the Theatre. Resolution ends up being 640x720 lines in SBS 3D. Its soft looking on a 10 foot screen. I may sell it. SBS would look a lot better using just the monoprice converter and DLP link glasses or if your projector had an emitter output you could convert 1080 SBS to 960x1080 lines but I have RF glasses and the decoding has to be done by the VIP because my projector doesn't have an emitter output.

I would suggest buy a pair of DLP glasses rather than sell the Monoprice so you don't need to use the theater with it. This is your call though. I have been very happy with this little box. Have watched a few different side by sides which can vary in quality due to file size but for example Despicable Me was awesome using this device. Also the Space Station is very good with some pixelization but had a scene where the female astronaut threw either a ball or orange that came out of the screen almost hitting you in the face. It was that good.
post #147 of 349
Guys,
I just tried out the 3D creator last night, and quite simply its the worst piece of tech I have ever bought.

I have the new Acer 5360bd so it can handle a 3D signal without a 3d-xl etc (Like a 3D tv), so my uses may vary from some previous posts where people are feeding it sbs signals. (Still unsure why you would do that)

I assumed the main use of this piece of kit was to convert 2D signals to 3D. I have tried multiple files through a WD Elements media player (SD and HD). I have also fed it digital TV, dvd, xbox 360 and blu ray sources. And yes it does create a 3D image, but I still feel its unwatchable, and painfully so.

My advice, avoid at all cost.......


On another note I have a Monoprice 3D creator fo sale..........used once!!
post #148 of 349
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Originally Posted by Bortonious View Post

Guys,
I just tried out the 3D creator last night, and quite simply its the worst piece of tech I have ever bought.

I have the new Acer 5360bd so it can handle a 3D signal without a 3d-xl etc (Like a 3D tv), so my uses may vary from some previous posts where people are feeding it sbs signals. (Still unsure why you would do that)

I assumed the main use of this piece of kit was to convert 2D signals to 3D. I have tried multiple files through a WD Elements media player (SD and HD). I have also fed it digital TV, dvd, xbox 360 and blu ray sources. And yes it does create a 3D image, but I still feel its unwatchable, and painfully so.

My advice, avoid at all cost.......


On another note I have a Monoprice 3D creator fo sale..........used once!!

I think your use of the box is a misapplication. You are going through 2 levels of processing since your pj already has the 3D processing. I have the 5360 and find this box to be outstanding in providing real 3D for side by side MKV files. You are probably running in to interface issues other than what has been outlined here. I find this little box to be the cheapest route to 3D out of everything outlined on these forum topics. Lately I have been using it more than my VIP displayer which has interface issues as well. So stop giving advice soley based on problems you have encountered because my experience is completely different than yours.
post #149 of 349
Are you joking me. Your use is the misapplication. Your actually feeding it a sbs file and your then surprised it can generate a good 3d image. Your actualy doing some of the work for the converter.
If I did that with my projector/ any 3D TV I wouldnt need the monoprice box at all.

This unit is sold as a 2d to 3d converter (For 2d/3DTV/3D DLP Output). Thats how it should be judged.

Anywho, I guess it has its uses, but I would suggest that yours is not the typical scenario.

In MY OPINION its not sufficient for standard 2d streams (DVD DTV XBOX etc) outputing to a projector.

Hence.........its for sale
post #150 of 349
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Originally Posted by Bortonious View Post

Guys,
I just tried out the 3D creator last night, and quite simply its the worst piece of tech I have ever bought.

I have the new Acer 5360bd so it can handle a 3D signal without a 3d-xl etc (Like a 3D tv), so my uses may vary from some previous posts where people are feeding it sbs signals. (Still unsure why you would do that)

I assumed the main use of this piece of kit was to convert 2D signals to 3D. I have tried multiple files through a WD Elements media player (SD and HD). I have also fed it digital TV, dvd, xbox 360 and blu ray sources. And yes it does create a 3D image, but I still feel its unwatchable, and painfully so.

My advice, avoid at all cost.......


On another note I have a Monoprice 3D creator fo sale..........used once!!

That's because this converter tells the projector it is always sending 3D. I couldn't install it before my Duo VP either because the Duo thinks it is getting 3D even when it is not. You also have to send RGB color space only to the Monoprice converter or your colors will be off because the projector will always think it is getting RGB. When you get this straightened out it does an OK job with 2D to 3D conversion. Especially with a 3D ready DLP projector. It does have its problems though as I stated above. I just bypass it for everything but 2D to 3D conversion.

I wouldn't use this with the 5360bd unless you can bypass it with everything else but the converted material.
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