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post #1051 of 1868
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I don't see how one can get cancellation effects with eight drivers aligned in a vertical configuration. It has been done by many brands over the years.

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Do you mean an array of small BMRs?

Even though we discussed this concept earlier, I'm wondering if you would potentially get cancellation effects with such an arrangement.

Okay, after doing some research, I am starting to understand Lobing (cancellation effects). I wonder how Cambridge Audio is dealing with this with their Min 20 / 21 design? Perhaps, by rolling off the highs on one of the drivers?

Edit: I just found my answer while reading Jim's link on the Etude 1.
post #1052 of 1868
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Okay, after doing some research, I am starting to understand Lobing (cancellation effects). I wonder how Cambridge Audio is dealing with this with their Min 20 / 21 design? Perhaps, by rolling off the highs on one of the drivers?

Edit: I just found my answer while reading Jim's link on the Etude 1.

Yeah. They're attenuating frequencies in one of the drivers to avoid cancellation effects.

That's the virtue of a single point source, ideally with wide dispersion. You have maximal coherence of sound. KEF gets at this differently with their Uni-Q driver, which mounts its tweeter right in the middle of the woofer...both made of rigid material. You do have some sort of crossover in this design, but you have pretty good single point source. Very good speakers.
post #1053 of 1868
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KEF gets at this differently with their Uni-Q driver, which mounts its tweeter right in the middle of the woofer...both made of rigid material. You do have some sort of crossover in this design, but you have pretty good single point source. Very good speakers.

I should know, I own a pair. biggrin.gif

My Uni-Q speakers are great in that they leave the crossover frequency untouched between the critical band 300 Hz - 3 kHz. cool.gif

Oh, and that rigid material is a type of metal (Aluminum-Magnesium?).
post #1054 of 1868
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I should know, I own a pair. biggrin.gif

My Uni-Q speakers are great in that they leave the crossover frequency untouched between the critical band 300 Hz - 3 kHz. cool.gif

Oh, and that rigid material is a type of metal (Aluminum-Magnesium?).

What model do you have? What's your impression of them? And where do you have them set up, given that the Minx is in your living room, if I recall.

I'd really like a system utilizing the LS50s.
post #1055 of 1868
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PM sent.

According to the right side of the page here on AVS Forum, on Amazon, the model Min 10 are still being sold at less than retail but the Min 20 is still at full retail.
Edited by Perpendicular - 1/13/13 at 7:24pm
post #1056 of 1868
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I'd really like a system utilizing the LS50s.

I thought about this too but not only would the LS50 be pricey to do surround, I'd be concerned with the larger baffle footprint as opposed to a spherical or smaller cube type speaker like the Minx. But, that's me thinking I'd be giving up something.
post #1057 of 1868
Good points. It's just my admiration for that speaker. Nor do I have the ready cash at this point.

I'm curious as hell about those Gallos!
post #1058 of 1868
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I sure wouldn't mind listening to a pair of Kef LS50 but I think they are like Cambridge Audio. The dealers are few and far between.
post #1059 of 1868
Hi All,

Hopefully, some interesting info for you all:

Jim, a 4.5" BMR Driver for you!
http://www.akoustiks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=46&Itemid=62

Jeffrey, some BMR Speakers that can go down to a 100hz (sorry it's not your desired 80hz!)
http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/index.php/loudspeakers/65-reviews/247-qsb-loudspeakers.html

Anyone fancy making their owm Min11's? These should help!
http://www.hi-wave.com/news/vse3_speaker_housing.php

New From Hi-Wave:
http://www.hi-wave.com/news/pr_new_loudspeaker_driver_and_amp_designs_at_ces.php


Bazzy!
post #1060 of 1868
The CEAD driver looks interesting, and I'd like to see it incorporated and tested in a finished device.

The USB driven BMRs are 6 db down at 100 hz, so describing it as rated down to 100 hz is a little optimistic.

The transparent BMR speaker design is the obvious product of the UK's fascination with Doctor Who. biggrin.gif

But all of it makes me all the more interested in the BMR!
post #1061 of 1868
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CEAD makes in-celing BMR's even.
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Those look very familiar... wink.gif

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Anyone fancy making their owm Min11's? These should help! http://www.hi-wave.com/news/vse3_speaker_housing.php

I like that! Shame they don't make a cabinet similair to the Min 21. The price is absurd though.
post #1062 of 1868
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Those look very familiar... wink.gif

So those are the same 4.5's you've been talking about. I was wondering about that.
post #1063 of 1868
Hi all,

I'm setting up home theater for the first time and was glad to see s215 prices coming down at just the right time; I rarely get lucky in this area.
I have ordered the S215 and will probably mate it to an Onkyo TXNR-515.
My 2.0 system is an NAD 7175PE with Proac Tablette 50s. Due to my wife's size restrictions, my Klipsch Fortes are on semi-permanent loan. As you can tell, I haven't bought audio equipment in a while, and I have never bought A/V equipment. I'm not the kind of person who keeps up on the field; I study when I need to make a purchase, then am oblivious. So the AVR world is entirely new to me and I'm having lots of fun learning. I didn't realize that these are as much data products as they are A/V products. I'm going to need an 8-port Ethernet switch in my TV stand!

The best price that I found was US $596, but I was not able to take advantage of this since my wife wants the front three in black to match the TV, and the back two in white to match the ceiling.
Placing three different orders, I was able to get it for US $658. I feel good about the price, considering that I wasn't able to utilize system pricing.
I found no discounts on the white, and had a difficult time finding white Min 10s at all. Crutchfield was out. Amazon had just one left.
I finally found a vendor where I could order two for US $80 each. I ordered a pair, along with an x200. When I found a cheaper way to package my order, I called to see if it wasn't too late to cancel the sub. It wasn't.
The dealer looked at the order for white Min10s and said he wasn't sure he had any left. After checking stock, he said he was out but would honor the US $80 price with Min 11s.

So, I will have three Min 10s in front and two MIn 11s in back. Any concerns about this? I know the Min 11s have higher sensitivity and lower bass. Could this be an issue, or will my AVR compensate for this?

I am also wondering if I could swap drivers (and other components?) to put the Min11s in the black housings and put them in front. This would give me an s212v2 for music, and an S215v1.4(sorta) for video. Does anyone know how easy it would be to swap parts? I haven't received anything yet so I can't open it up.

[BTW, if anyone wants the US $596 price it is from Amazon. There is an S215 system for $599, but a slightly cheaper option is to get the s212 for $449 and three Min10s for $49 each. I purchased the S212 ($449), one MIn 10 ($49) and two Min 11s ($80 each).]

Thanks,
John
post #1064 of 1868
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Here's a new review that was Posted on Amazon today regarding the Min 10.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Amazing Sound, January 15, 2013
By Jean S. Mclain (Roselle, IL) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: Cambridge Audio Minx Min 10 BLACK (Single Speaker) (Electronics)
This tiny speaker took the place of a much larger center channel speaker. It produces sound like the larger one.

Now, that's short and sweet! biggrin.gif
post #1065 of 1868
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Due to my wife's size restrictions, my Klipsch Fortes are on semi-permanent loan. ...

but I was not able to take advantage of this since my wife wants the front three in black to match the TV, and the back two in white to match the ceiling.

The ol' WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) rears it's ugly head again. You should have told her they are all going to be in Black, and if she doesn't like it, you will get big gigantic tower speakers that will take up the whole living space. biggrin.gif

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As you can tell, I haven't bought audio equipment in a while, and I have never bought A/V equipment. I'm not the kind of person who keeps up on the field; I study when I need to make a purchase, then am oblivious. So the AVR world is entirely new to me and I'm having lots of fun learning. I didn't realize that these are as much data products as they are A/V products. I'm going to need an 8-port Ethernet switch in my TV stand!

It is amazing how far technology has come. Why did you choose a Minx system? What other options did you pass on?

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So, I will have three Min 10s in front and two MIn 11s in back. Any concerns about this? I know the Min 11s have higher sensitivity and lower bass. Could this be an issue, or will my AVR compensate for this?

Probably, no issue but I would set the pair of Min 11's for L&R channel.


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I am also wondering if I could swap drivers (and other components?) to put the Min11s in the black housings and put them in front. This would give me an s212v2 for music, and an S215v1.4(sorta) for video. Does anyone know how easy it would be to swap parts? I haven't received anything yet so I can't open it up.

Personally, I opened one up to change a driver and had a look-see. If I were you, I wouldn't mess with it.
post #1066 of 1868
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Personally, I opened one up to change a driver and had a look-see. If I were you, I wouldn't mess with it.

Ooh, that's interesting. Can you tell me more about what was inside - only the driver, or an electronic circuit too?
post #1067 of 1868
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Ooh, that's interesting. Can you tell me more about what was inside - only the driver, or an electronic circuit too?

Both. Plus, wiring insulation. The whole nine yards. biggrin.gif

Upon removing the driver and seeing the inside, I remember thinking, what sort of mods can I do on this little gem? Seeing it looked a bit complicated, especially, trying to get my hands in the tiny enclosure, I quickly forgot about it.
post #1068 of 1868
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Both. Plus, wiring insulation. The whole nine yards. biggrin.gif

Upon removing the driver and seeing the inside, I remember thinking, what sort of mods can I do on this little gem? Seeing it looked a bit complicated, especially, trying to get my hands in the tiny enclosure, I quickly forgot about it.

A combination of admirable boldness, coupled with wise restraint! biggrin.gif
post #1069 of 1868
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The ol' WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) rears it's ugly head again. You should have told her they are all going to be in Black, and if she doesn't like it, you will get big gigantic tower speakers that will take up the whole living space.

I actually tried the floorstander route first. I tend to be frugal, and wanted to use what I already own. Plan A was Klipsch Fortes in the front, Minimus 7s in the back, and buy a new CC. We went shopping at Abt, and a salesman approved of the Fortes. My wife did not look happy. I was concerned about mixing components, but he said that I would be OK if I used Klipsch for the CC and rear, since their horn tweeter sound has been very consistent for many years. He showed us some speakers and I knew that they would be WAY too large.

She asked about smaller speakers and he directed us towards Bose. Not just the speakers, but their Lifestyle system. I don't hate on Bose, but I know that there is always something better for less. I also knew that I wanted the flexibility of an AVR rather than their little controller box and amplifier-in-the-subwoofer system.

She liked the looks of the Bose, so the onus was on me to find something better in a similar size. I knew that I could find a better sub for both of us. I'm always amazed that people choose the Bose for its tiny footprint, but willfully accept that rather large and ugly subwoofer.

As for the color, remember that I picked the system, and her color choice did not compromise my choice sonically, only financially. I asked her if white speakers were worth $59 to her, she said yes, decision made.

She has actually been very accomodating. I have no budget restrictions. If I wanted an S525v2, she would allow it. I considered the s300 and she was OK with the size, but I backed down. She begrudgingly accepted my speaker placement. She wanted the front speakers to be close to the TV. I wanted them to be separated and ear height. As always, I also want them on a stud. I originally had them spaced about 10' apart, providing about 45 degree separation when measured from the couch. I moved one of them in by one stud to leave about 40 degrees (moving the TV to remain centered, of course) to make her less unhappy. Life's full of compromises.
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Why did you choose a Minx system? What other options did you pass on?

With my wife wanting Bose-like size, I googled for compact 5.1 speakers and found Mirage Nanostat and MX, Energy Take Classic and RC-Micro, BA SoundWare XS, DT ProCinema 600 and 800, and Orb.

I narrowed down to the Minx based on reviews, size (the CC will sit on the TV stand without blocking the picture, and my wife will appreciate the x200), looks, price, and the ability to mix colors for little additional cost. As I said earlier, I don't pay attention when I'm not in the market, but I was pleasantly surprised to find single speakers readily available, given my wife's wants.

If you are looking for a personal review of the sonic qualities, here's an admission that will strip me of all credibility: I haven't listened to any of the speakers that I listed, even the Minx!

I had planned to listen. I found several dealers not too far from me. One was Abt, but I was unaware of the Minx when I was there. There are two others that I practically drive past on the way to Abt, so I thought that I would check those out as well. They probably have better listening environments than a megastore like Abt.
My wife actually wanted to get one of each color in the house so she could choose the ones for the rear. She wants them to be white, but not "too white."

When I saw the prices on the Min 10s, I decided to act. Perhaps my sense of urgency is unwarranted and the Min 10s will be available for a while and maybe even get cheaper, but I didn’t want to take the chance. Whites are definitely hard to find, at least individually. It would cost over $200 more for the s215v2 with mixed colors.

Besides, my ears are far from golden. I am not an audiophile by any means. Sonically, I could probably be happy with speakers on my list costing much less, but I do want good sound and am willing to pay extra to get it in a package that aesthetically pleases my wife.
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If I were you, I wouldn't mess with it.

Good advice, especially with my admission that I probably couldn’t tell the difference anyway. The 8kHz bump will help compensate for the rolloff in my ears that starts at around 6kHz.wink.gif Let’s see if anyone notices that they are getting superior sound from the rear.biggrin.gif

John
post #1070 of 1868
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If you are looking for a personal review of the sonic qualities, here's an admission that will strip me of all credibility: I haven't listened to any of the speakers that I listed, even the Minx!

I've heard many models of the Def Techs. Good speaker. I've heard many models of the Mirage. Hated them. I've heard Energy but that was years ago. And I will never own any Bose overpriced products.

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Besides, my ears are far from golden. I am not an audiophile by any means. Sonically, I could probably be happy with speakers on my list costing much less, but I do want good sound and am willing to pay extra to get it in a package that aesthetically pleases my wife.
Good advice, especially with my admission that I probably couldn’t tell the difference anyway. The 8kHz bump will help compensate for the rolloff in my ears that starts at around 6kHz.wink.gif Let’s see if anyone notices that they are getting superior sound from the rear.biggrin.gif

Interesting fact, I've had the Minx set up in two different rooms and have run calibration. Both rooms had anywhere between .5 to 3.5 rise in the 8 kHz band. This means my room correction (MCACC) was boosting that frequency. It really is room dependent.

I'm still trying to figure out why you chose such a small Subwoofer. What size is the room that the system will be in?
post #1071 of 1868
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For those that have been curious regarding the forthcoming (yet to be released) Gallo Acoustics Micro & A'Diva Special Edition satellites. They do not contain a BMR driver. frown.gif

Maybe, Jim can still get a hold of a demo pair to test out. cool.gif
post #1072 of 1868
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If interested, I found a consumer review for each, Min 11 & Min 21. Though, not detailed on their sound quality, nor a comparison to previous models but all the same, a fun read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camb-Minx-Min11-Gls-White/product-reviews/B008S4ISGS/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camb-Minx-Min21-Gls-Blk/product-reviews/B008S4IT0S/ref=sr_1_4_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
post #1073 of 1868
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If interested, I found a consumer review for each, Min 11 & Min 21. Though, not detailed on their sound quality, nor a comparison to previous models but all the same, a fun read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camb-Minx-Min11-Gls-White/product-reviews/B008S4ISGS/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camb-Minx-Min21-Gls-Blk/product-reviews/B008S4IT0S/ref=sr_1_4_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

The second review is certainly more enthusiastic.
post #1074 of 1868
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If you go on that Amazon UK Website, there's a long user review (w/ comments) of the X200 Subwoofer on how he didn't like it at first and almost returned it to the dealer.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camb-Minx-X200-Gls-Blk/product-reviews/B004B10ATA/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
post #1075 of 1868
Heya guys . Considering ordering 5x Min10 for my home setup. Right now im running a Yamaha RX-A1020 with an old Sony SA-FT1H kit.

Any opinions on that? We dont go to loud here just want some nice clear sound with a little more mid than these sony htib speakers. Primary use is for movies, gaming and net radio.

Really interested in the size of them and the decent reviews.

Any reason i shouldn't go with the min10's over the 45$ more min11? I am not a demanding user and well im also pretty newbish when it comes to speakers and their configurations.

Any advice would be great.

Also would it be mortal sin if i pair those Min10s with that Sony sub until i decide on a new sub?

Current speakers: http://www.abt.com/product/25756/Sony-SAFT1H.html
post #1076 of 1868
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Any reason i shouldn't go with the min10's over the 45$ more min11? I am not a demanding user and well im also pretty newbish when it comes to speakers and their configurations.

No, The word is that the Min 11 has a fuller sound to help blend more on the bottom end with Cambridge Audio's Minx Series Subs. I don't know how that would equate with your particular Subwoofer.

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Also would it be mortal sin if i pair those Min10s with that Sony sub until i decide on a new sub?

The Sub Dude (Jim) can answer your question on the Sub.
post #1077 of 1868
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If you go on that Amazon UK Website, there's a long user review (w/ comments) of the X200 Subwoofer on how he didn't like it at first and almost returned it to the dealer.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Camb-Minx-X200-Gls-Blk/product-reviews/B004B10ATA/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
post #1078 of 1868
Hi im new to the forum and I wrote the review of the X200. I tried to be honest and im no expert but it wasent great out of the box but over time it improved greatly. I have seen you guys on here saying that the 6.5 inch driver is too small but in my medium sized room it is more than enough plus i live in a semi detached house and like my joined on neighbours. The only thing i have changed since writing the review is the crossover which i have lowered back to 150. Oh sorry I submitted an empty post before this one. Thats what happens when you try and reply using a smart phone and you don't know your way around the site that well. Sorry
Edited by Eddyw78 - 1/20/13 at 4:21am
post #1079 of 1868
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Hi Eddy!

Welcome to AVS Forum and in particular, the Minx Thread! cool.gif

Your review on the X200 was great and I'm sure helped out a lot of potential purchasers. Now that you have lived with your Minx system for several months, are you still enjoying the sound or are you experiencing the upgrade itch? biggrin.gif
post #1080 of 1868
No im still more than happy thanks. But then i couldnt really afford to upgrade if I wanted to. Im still using my old Technics rears that I bought in 1995! They are still good. The min10s and the X200 were just what I needed as I am quite tight on space having two young sons plus my wife doesent mind them either. Like I said before I cant really crank it up too much as next door would hear it and I believe it is unfair to put them through too much rumblimg and grumbling LFE. The X200 is perfectly fine for my everyday use but if I want abit more umph I bring the old Kef back into play and use two subs but that is only on very rare occasions as its stored upstairs. It does go lower than the X200 but then it is a 10inch but it really didnt like being crossed over at 150 htz when I used it on its own before I had the X200. Glad you liked the review.
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