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post #151 of 1868
Watching Terminator Salvation blu-ray right now - sounds good but I need a little more out of the sub!!
post #152 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mark McIntosh View Post

My first impressions are that these speakers sound really good! I only have about 8 or10 hours on them, most of that watching TV, but about 3 hours of music. Speakers have a great soundstage and fill the room nicely. They are very detailed on background music and sounds. Mirage MM8 sub only has about 4 hours on it with about 2 of music. Speakers and sub sound really good for music - very integrated, it doesn't sound like a sub/satellite system at all. Sub is a little anemic for home theater so far. I ran Audyssey with the sub at half volume and it boosted it to plus 2.5 which sounds good for music, but I remember I had to boost my other sub volume for HT too. Hey Jeffrey, what is a normal volume setting for the MM8? Can I turn it up to 3/4 without risking any damage to the sub?

The Mirage Sub sounds very bloated for the first 25 hours or so and will continue to improve. I have over 30 on both of mine and right now, I'm satisfied on where they're at, as far as sound quality. If they continue to improve from there, all the better. I will say, that I noticed a big improvement going from around 25 to 30 hours. I had to run my room correction software several times because the sound on the Subs kept changing. I recommend you run your RC, at least, about every 10-15 hours. At some point, your Sub is not going to sound very good which I found was right around the 10-20 hour mark. YMMV

I never have to boost my Sunfire Sub with Pioneer's MCACC. If anything, there were times when I wanted to turn it down. Same goes with the Mirage Subs. Right now, my system sounds just where I want it to, after re-running MCACC, for the 7th time. I have both Subs set at the 4th notch (or circle since there are no numbers to go by) setting. I'm not too sure what Audyssey is doing with your Sub setting but I would say that it's pretty accurate. You don't want to hear more Sub than the satellites.
post #153 of 1868
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Yesterday, I found this little bit of info (borrowed from another AVS Thread) and is why, I feel, it's important to use more than one Subwoofer.

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Besides acceptable angles, however, the current results have an even more important implication for what the high cutoff frequency should be if a bass management system were to be used to sum low frequencies to a single subwoofer. If the multichannel stereophonic sound system is located in a reverberant environment (i.e., a vanishing small number are not), the obtained results are in good agreement with conclusions drawn by Griesinger [2]. The combined results of the current experiments converge on a cutoff-frequency boundary between 50 Hz and 63Hz, above which spatial imagery will degrade if decorrelated information in the main channels is simply summed to a single channel and fed to a single driver.

I would think that the above Quote would apply to even Sat/Sub systems.
post #154 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mark McIntosh View Post

Sub is a little anemic for home theater so far. I ran Audyssey with the sub at half volume and it boosted it to plus 2.5 which sounds good for music, but I remember I had to boost my other sub volume for HT too. Hey Jeffrey, what is a normal volume setting for the MM8? Can I turn it up to 3/4 without risking any damage to the sub?

What is the volume set at on the Sub?
Normally, you'd set it at the halfway point and run Audyssey from there.
post #155 of 1868
Don't want to hijack the Minx thread talking about the Mirage sub, but bloated is a good word to describe it right now for HT. Again, it sounds pretty good already for music. I did set it at half volume to run Audyssey. I have read in the Denon and Audyssey threads that it's pretty common for it to set the sub too low. I'll run it again in a few days and see what happens. I really like the Minx speakers. It's hard to imagine how good they'll sound when they get 25 - 30 hours on them.
post #156 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mark McIntosh View Post

Don't want to hijack the Minx thread talking about the Mirage sub, but bloated is a good word to describe it right now for HT. Again, it sounds pretty good already for music. I did set it at half volume to run Audyssey. I have read in the Denon and Audyssey threads that it's pretty common for it to set the sub too low. I'll run it again in a few days and see what happens. I really like the Minx speakers. It's hard to imagine how good they'll sound when they get 25 - 30 hours on them.

Huh?! You are not hi-jacking this Thread talking about a component that is actually part of your speaker system. Do you think I won't talk about my make & model of Subs that I have (Mirage & Sunfire) just because they are not a Minx Sub. I think not.

Your Sub should sound bloated on everything you play. This goes for the Minx series Subs too. If you "Think" it sounds good on music now, you're really in for a surprise. Give the Sub proper time for the driver(s) and electronics to stabilize, and it should tighten up quite a bit. After about 15 hours, I noticed both of mine got .5 db louder. After 25-30 hours, they got 1 db louder for a total of 1.5 db. It's not uncommon.

So, after owning your Orb Audio system for a few years, do you feel you made the right decision in switching brands of speakers? Are you happy? In what way(s) are they different (better, worse)?
post #157 of 1868
Hey perpendicular i read a very positive review about the minx speakers on hometheaterreview.com i think you should check it out, i don't know how to add links but it made for a good read...
post #158 of 1868
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Hey perpendicular i read a very positive review about the minx speakers on hometheaterreview.com i think you should check it out, i don't know how to add links but it made for a good read...

Thanks for pointing that one out!
I'll add it to the first Post.

After reading the review (that I found kind of odd but well written except for the typo calling the Min 20 the "Mini", at one point), I could not find any reason why he gave it 4 out of 5 stars.

Also, at the end of the review, under "Competion and Comparisons", he mentions the Orb Audio Subwoofer and calls it a Mod1, for which there is no such thing. The Mod1 is their single satellite speaker. The "Super Eight" or "Uber Ten" is what the Subs are called.
post #159 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Thanks for pointing that one out!
I'll add it to the first Post.

After reading the review (that I found kind of odd but well written except for the typo calling the Min 20 the "Mini", at one point), I could not find any reason why he gave it 4 out of 5 stars.

Also, at the end of the review, under "Competion and Comparisons", he mentions the Orb Audio Subwoofer and calls it a Mod1, for which there is no such thing. The Mod1 is their single satellite speaker. The "Super Eight" or "Uber Ten" is what the Subs are called.

The reviewer seemed not to like that the finish of the speakers was limited to black or white, which to me is inconsequential. Sound is the thing. If he took off points for that it would be disappointing. By the way, reviewers are political animals, and their publications are most often sponsor-driven, to the detriment of objective reviewing.

I wish that he would have expressed an opinion regarding the performance of the Minx system vis a vis the three other systems he considered competitors.
Reading the other reviews provides no meaningful context, given that reviews of older systems involve judgment based on comparable systems at that time.

One thing that stands out, and appears to be confirmed by other reviews, is large, coherent soundstage with defined spatial accuracy.

What are good receivers for the 325 system?
post #160 of 1868
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

The reviewer seemed not to like that the finish of the speakers was limited to black or white, which to me is inconsequential. Sound is the thing. If he took off points for that it would be disappointing. By the way, reviewers are political animals, and their publications are most often sponsor-driven, to the detriment of objective reviewing.

I wish that he would have expressed an opinion regarding the performance of the Minx system vis a vis the three other systems he considered competitors.
Reading the other reviews provides no meaningful context, given that reviews of older systems involve judgment based on comparable systems at that time.

One thing that stands out, and appears to be confirmed by other reviews, is large, coherent soundstage with defined spatial accuracy.

What are good receivers for the 325 system?

I agree. It sounds like he was just comparing these other speaker systems based on looks and other reviews. Not that he listened to them, which is fine because he never claimed it.

Rule of thumb: The smaller the speaker, the better the imaging within the soundstage. But then, there are tradeoffs with smaller speakers.

You can pair the Minx speakers with just about any AVR on the market. Which AVR(s) are you looking at?
post #161 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

So, after owning your Orb Audio system for a few years, do you feel you made the right decision in switching brands of speakers? Are you happy? In what way(s) are they different (better, worse)?

I am very happy so far. I posted a good many times on the Orb thread that the speakers are very good for HT and OK for music. A little history on my past speaker life. I have owned Infinity Qb's, Phase Research, AR, and maybe some other brands. In 1982 while in college I bought a pair of KEF 103.2's that I absolutely love and still have in a closet waiting for the opportunity to come back at some point. They have that smooth, open sound that I love but can still rock when I want them too. I don't know if that's a common characteristic of English speakers, but I hear a lot of the same things I love about those KEF's in the Minx, with Cambridge Audio also being an English company (I think). They sound very open, but also very clean and detailed, more like a bigger speaker than the Orb's. Definitely have better treble. For music, I would describe the Orb's as a little sterile, unemotional. I feel like the sub and Minx speakers are more integrated. For music, the Orb's always seemed to sound like satellite speakers and a sub, but I don't hear that as much with the Minx - it sounds like one speaker. With the Minx I feel like there's a much larger, more enveloping soundstage which for me is a big improvement in the music and HT area. And they aren't even broken in yet!!
post #162 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mark McIntosh View Post

...with Cambridge Audio also being an English company (I think).

You are very much correct in your assessment.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts thus far.
post #163 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

...

...You can pair the Minx speakers with just about any AVR on the market. Which AVR(s) are you looking at?

Nothing yet...just reading a few reviews of midrange Yamahas, Denons.

I'm looking for any good suggestions. I don't want to spend a lot, but I definitely think its better to be over-capable, than just barely capable.

And you want clean power going into the speakers.
post #164 of 1868
I'm currently running a denon 1911 with a pair of min20s and x300 subwoofer, and they sound really good. so i'm sure anything above or around that range should sound just as good.
post #165 of 1868
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Nothing yet...just reading a few reviews of midrange Yamahas, Denons.

I'm looking for any good suggestions. I don't want to spend a lot, but I definitely think its better to be over-capable, than just barely capable.

And you want clean power going into the speakers.

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Originally Posted by markiedee View Post

I'm currently running a denon 1911 with a pair of min20s and x300 subwoofer, and they sound really good. so i'm sure anything above or around that range should sound just as good.

I would definitely recommend anything with Audyssey. Personally, I own a Pioneer SC-07. You can pick up an SC series (SC-25, SC-27, SC-35 or SC-37) heavily discounted. Pioneer uses it's own propriety room correction called MCACC which is very good. Though, Compared to Audyssey, you can only run it for one seating position at a time versus Audyssey which covers multiple positions.
post #166 of 1868
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

Nothing yet...just reading a few reviews of midrange Yamahas, Denons.

I'm looking for any good suggestions. I don't want to spend a lot, but I definitely think its better to be over-capable, than just barely capable.

And you want clean power going into the speakers.

I have a Denon 988. Totally agree about the Audyssey or some calibration system. I've only run it once since I got my speakers but there is a definite difference with Audyssey on.
post #167 of 1868
I'm considering a pair of Minx speakers to solve a long-term issue with my HT. I have NHT Classic 3 speakers for L/C/R, and a pair of NHT Absolute Zeros in the back position. I've been looking for something to put on the sides to make a true 7:1 system, but haven't found anything satisfactory yet. The issue is that due to room and lifestyle (small kids) limitations they have to be very small. Even the NHT Super Zeros would be too big. FYI, these speakers would have to be on stands, and they'd be on either side of the sofa at pretty near-range and at ear level.

My questions are, how would a pair of Minx-mins integrate with 5 other speakers with lower bass ranges? My AVR is an Onkyo with Audyssey, so not sure if that would fix any discrepancy between the speakers. And would there be a big difference in this application (side satellites) between a Min10 and Min20? From a cost and size perspective the 10s would be preferable.

Thanks.
post #168 of 1868
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My questions are, how would a pair of Minx-mins integrate with 5 other speakers with lower bass ranges? My AVR is an Onkyo with Audyssey, so not sure if that would fix any discrepancy between the speakers. And would there be a big difference in this application (side satellites) between a Min10 and Min20? From a cost and size perspective the 10s would be preferable.

Unless you want to do a 7.1 system with strictly a Minx system, look elsewhere. It's not good to mix and match speakers from different manufacturers. Bottom line, throwing a pair of Min 10's or Min 20's into your system will sound like crap because of the discrepancy between the two models.

BTW, how big is your room? I'm getting that a 5.1 system should be plenty for you and that you're wasting your time trying to add more speakers. Also, you should be using side surrounds in your current 5.1 system, not back surrounds. Although, it could (somewhat) work, it's not the proper way to set up a 5.1 system.
post #169 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Unless you want to do a 7.1 system with strictly a Minx system, look elsewhere. It's not good to mix and match speakers from different manufacturers. Bottom line, throwing a pair of Min 10's or Min 20's into your system will sound like crap because of the discrepancy between the two models.

BTW, how big is your room? I'm getting that a 5.1 system should be plenty for you and that you're wasting your time trying to add more speakers. Also, you should be using side surrounds in your current 5.1 system, not back surrounds. Although, it could (somewhat) work, it's not the proper way to set up a 5.1 system.

The listening area is maybe 12x18, but it's an L-shaped finished basement that's open to one side and to the rear that's overall much bigger. There is just enough wall in the rear to have mounted the rear speakers, but wall mounting is not an option for the sides and I don't want ceiling speakers so it has to be stand mounts.

I hear what you're saying and agree that the current 5:1 isn't correct, but I can't put the rear Absolute Zeros on the sides now - just too big. Even NHT's smaller Super Zeros are bigger than I want. It's partly WAF (swap the F with an R and it's WAR), but mostly that I have two little boys that play down there so I want a smaller target and something less likely to fall when it's inevitably hit by a ball or a kid.

Probably the smart move is to find an older, cheap pair of NHT speakers on Ebay or something, get a good heavy stand, and then replace it with two more Absolute Zeros or something else down the road if necessary when the kids are older. I appreciate the advice!
post #170 of 1868
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Originally Posted by doublechili View Post

Probably the smart move is to...

...stick with a 5.1 system and call it a day. Or, you can sell your NHTs and go all Minx (5.1, 7.1, 9.1, etc). I'm quite sure they'd be a better WAF. Just don't show your wife or she will force you to upgrade.
post #171 of 1868
Hi everyone!

I'm very happy that I've found this thread. I what to buy a Minx system for our family room. I'm a little bit puzzled about wich combinaison of min/sub would best suit my room and needs. I'm not spending that much time in front of the TV. But since we do some renovation, I decided to make the move, someting I was thinking of for a while. Like to listen sports, series, films and music (but I have an Arcam/B&W system in the living for the music). The room will be app 16' by 17' with some opening at the back (stairway, hallway and a small den). I like to buy the right thing in the first place and don't mind paying for it. So here's a some question that go round and round thru my head!

1. Is there a big difference between min 10 and 20? Is this only about "filling" more the room. Perpendicular seems to be very satisfied with the min 10 and even implying that they could sound better because of that crossover-thing (wich I don't understand...) My girlfriend likes the small design of the min 10. I'm a little bit worry that my room is too big...

2. What about 3 min20 and 2 min10. I read about it but somebody actually tried it?

3. For the sub, I want to go with the X300. With the opening at the back of the room, would the x500 be a wiser choice?

4. I need to buy an AVR as well. Since my dealer sells Denon (could be Pioneer or Onkyo also) and I read lots of thing about Anthem, it is my choice for now. I just don't have a clue what model would be a wise choice. I though about 2312 ci, 2112ci or 1912?? I want to get the best of the Minx without overkill or throwing away my money...

5. Finally, do you have a thread or internet site about ABC's of HT to recommand? Don't want to loose myself in google!!!

Thanks in advance... Hopefully, I will soon write down my impression in this thread about my brand new Minx system!!!
post #172 of 1868
Hi everyone!

Welcome to the jungle!


1. Is there a big difference between min 10 and 20? Is this only about "filling" more the room. Perpendicular seems to be very satisfied with the min 10 and even implying that they could sound better because of that crossover-thing (wich I don't understand...) My girlfriend likes the small design of the min 10. I'm a little bit worry that my room is too big...

Perpendicular will chime in, I'm sure, but perhaps I can give you some perspective in the meantime...

The speaker drivers used in the Min series are only 2.25", so bear that in mind when deciding. Cambridge Audio has done a remarkable job with the Min's, but brilliant engineering can only mitigate so much - there are certain immutable laws of physics that must be considered as well.

The Min 20 is not a traditional 2 way speaker, it's 1.5 instead. That essentially means one of the drivers is a "tweeter", but both drivers are being used for the midrange. The latter range is very critical so CA decided to emphasize it, which is not a bad strategy. In order to make that work though a crossover must be used, but my buddy Jeff (Perpendicular) absolutely hates those things.

Both are diminutive of proportion; the Min 10 is tiny, and the Min 20 very small, so I suspect either would be OK with your girlfriend.


2. What about 3 min20 and 2 min10. I read about it but somebody actually tried it?

Min 20's for the front 3 channels, and 10's for the rears, would be the minimum (no pun intended) that I would use, given your circumstances. At the very least I'd use a 20 for the center.


3. For the sub, I want to go with the X300. With the opening at the back of the room, would the x500 be a wiser choice?

Of those two I think you'd probably be better off with the x500 than the x300, but it depends upon what you're looking to achieve. HT needs a pretty powerful subwoofer, so it's advisable to make sure that's potent.

FWIW... while Cambridge Audio does make some fine products, I think they're subwoofers are not very price competitive. There are other companies that make excellent products, but cost far less. One example would be the Emotiva Ultra 12. It's on clearance because it's being discontinued, but I can personally attest to what an excellent value that is. It might not go as low as you'd like for HT though, but that's just one example of what else is available.


5. Finally, do you have a thread or internet site about ABC's of HT to recommand? Don't want to loose myself in google!!!

A couple of threads you might find some value in are:
A Guide To Subwoofers
Speakers 101
A Guide To Cables
Home Theater Virgins
post #173 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Unless you want to do a 7.1 system with strictly a Minx system, look elsewhere. It's not good to mix and match speakers from different manufacturers. Bottom line, throwing a pair of Min 10's or Min 20's into your system will sound like crap because of the discrepancy between the two models.

Unless surround music is a priority it doesn't much matter if your surrounds match your front. The surrounds are almost entirely for ambient noise and affects.

Gene
post #174 of 1868
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Originally Posted by LPCorriveau View Post

Hi everyone!

I'm very happy that I've found this thread. I what to buy a Minx system for our family room. I'm a little bit puzzled about wich combinaison of min/sub would best suit my room and needs. I'm not spending that much time in front of the TV. But since we do some renovation, I decided to make the move, someting I was thinking of for a while. Like to listen sports, series, films and music (but I have an Arcam/B&W system in the living for the music). The room will be app 16' by 17' with some opening at the back (stairway, hallway and a small den). I like to buy the right thing in the first place and don't mind paying for it. So here's a some question that go round and round thru my head!

1. Is there a big difference between min 10 and 20? Is this only about "filling" more the room. Perpendicular seems to be very satisfied with the min 10 and even implying that they could sound better because of that crossover-thing (wich I don't understand...) My girlfriend likes the small design of the min 10. I'm a little bit worry that my room is too big...

2. What about 3 min20 and 2 min10. I read about it but somebody actually tried it?

3. For the sub, I want to go with the X300. With the opening at the back of the room, would the x500 be a wiser choice?

4. I need to buy an AVR as well. Since my dealer sells Denon (could be Pioneer or Onkyo also) and I read lots of thing about Anthem, it is my choice for now. I just don't have a clue what model would be a wise choice. I though about 2312 ci, 2112ci or 1912?? I want to get the best of the Minx without overkill or throwing away my money...

5. Finally, do you have a thread or internet site about ABC's of HT to recommand? Don't want to loose myself in google!!!

Thanks in advance... Hopefully, I will soon write down my impression in this thread about my brand new Minx system!!!

Gee, I haven't checked this Thread in the past few days. Look what I missed!

Jim made some excellent points but I'd like to add a couple of things.

I feel, for your small size room, that the Min 10 and X300 should be plenty loud. I'm using three Min 10's (will add two more for the side surrounds shortly) in my 15X19 foot room. Personally, I prefer the Min 10 but I think everyone else has gone with the Min 20 (all around) and find it an excellent addition. You'd be the first to mix and match the 10 & 20. If your looking for the best sound quality, I'd recommend adding two Subs into the Minx system. I've done some messing around with using Just one of my two Subs, and glad I went with the two. It may have something to do with using a higher crossover point.

Regarding the Min 20 1.5 design, it's more like a passive filter that rolls the upper frequencies from the lower driver so the speaker can play louder than the Min 10. They also claim greater dynamic range with the 20. I'm not sure about that because, in my room, the 10 is pretty dynamic already for such a small speaker. It sure is eerie how these speakers can make an instrument sound so real like the musician is in the room with you.

You really don't need too much power to drive these little wonders. So, any of the mentioned Denon models will suffice. If it were me, I'd choose the AVR with the best Audyssey RC.
post #175 of 1868
i'm still contemplating weather to use min20s or min10s for rears myself but i will decide that when the time comes. As for subwoofers i think that the x300 is very capable but the x500 is definately a brute if your seeking strong deep bass.

if you don't mind dropping a few watts then the x300 is still a brilliant little sub which packs a serious punch. Also consider others if you don't want to choose a cambridge audio one, Hope this helps.
post #176 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Kini62 View Post

Unless surround music is a priority it doesn't much matter if your surrounds match your front. The surrounds are almost entirely for ambient noise and affects.

+1

Last night, I lost my Internet connection and wasn't able to answer this Post. You do have a valid point. Silly me...I was assuming that most people use their systems for everything.
post #177 of 1868
Just a quick thought about the surrounds. I listen to music in 5 channel stereo and it does make a difference if the surrounds match the fronts. I agree that for HT it won't matter too much.
post #178 of 1868
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Over the weekend, I boxed up and put away my Sunfire Subwoofer.
Apparently, my two Mirage MM-8 Subs are sufficient enough to where I felt the Sunfire wasn't needed.
post #179 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

If your looking for the best sound quality, I'd recommend adding two Subs into the Minx system. I've done some messing around with using Just one of my two Subs, and glad I went with the two. It may have something to do with using a higher crossover point.

I think I will have to try the min 20 and min10 setup to see what I like more...

If we're talking about the 2 subs setup, I was wondering if 2 x200 would sound better than one x300. Do I need 2 x300? What about one x200 and one x300. So one sub for the lower frequencies and one to fill the gap with the Mins?
post #180 of 1868
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Originally Posted by LPCorriveau View Post

I think I will have to try the min 20 and min10 setup to see what I like more...

If we're talking about the 2 subs setup, I was wondering if 2 x200 would sound better than one x300. Do I need 2 x300? What about one x200 and one x300. So one sub for the lower frequencies and one to fill the gap with the Mins?

With 2 sub is it essential to go with a 7.2 AVR or 7.1 with "y" cable is ok
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