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post #241 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

If you care about sound, the minimum you should get is the 2312, and the bare minimum, 2112. Personally, I wouldn't do anything cheaper than a 3312.

Sorry if this is a dumb question (I'm very new to hifi) but isn't the 2312 massive overkill for the minx? Given that the min10's power handling is 15w to 50w.

I thought one of the big advantages of the minx was that even a humble receiver could adequately drive them.
post #242 of 1868
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There's no such thing as massive overkill in Hi-Fi. Now, massive underkill is another story. I wouldn't want to drive a revealing loudspeaker with a low end AVR. You can, but what will the quality be like? For someone that doesn't care, nor have an ear for quality, I would say they're wasting their money....but whom I to say?
post #243 of 1868
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...I use two Mirage MM-8 Subs. I feel they are better in the upper end than the X200 & X300 (not sure about the X500 but I'll assume all three have that upper frequency limitation). The upper -3 db point on the X200 is 116 hz. Then, it seems to drop considerably. I have my system crossed over at 200 hz. I've listened to them at 150 and there isn't a difference. The Mirage -3db point is somewhere up in the 200 hz range. I can't seem to remember exactly but I will find the info again soon. The Mirage Subs are very capable.

The MM-6 (the MM-8's little brother) -3 db point was measured at 275 hz. This sounds like where the MM-8 is at.

Also, I neglected to mention, another reason why I went for one of the Mirage Subs (instead of the Minx models) is the fact that you can bypass the crossover. This is important to me because I didn't want two crossovers (the Sub & AVR) in the signal path.
post #244 of 1868
will these speakers accept banana speaker cable, I have some very high end cable I want to use, but the specs don't mention if they would work, thanks
post #245 of 1868
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Originally Posted by panzer View Post

will these speakers accept banana speaker cable, I have some very high end cable I want to use, but the specs don't mention if they would work, thanks

The speaker jacks on the Minx Min 10 & 20 are very unique. They accept bare solid core and stranded wire plus spades. They act as a banana plug or you can remove the banana plugs and use your own.
post #246 of 1868
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I've attached a photo of the Min 10's back side.
You can see that it has it's own banana plug type jacks.
LL
post #247 of 1868
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Originally Posted by andy782 View Post

Sorry if this is a dumb question (I'm very new to hifi) but isn't the 2312 massive overkill for the minx? Given that the min10's power handling is 15w to 50w.

I thought one of the big advantages of the minx was that even a humble receiver could adequately drive them.

I don't recall that being mentioned as a virtue of these speakers. Small size, extraordinary spatiality, transparency...these are acknowledged qualities of the Minx Speakers.

When you have a power handling figure quoted, that will give you an idea of where you could blow out the speakers. But below that input, you still want amplifier headroom so the power that comes out is clean and undistorted.
post #248 of 1868
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

I don't recall that being mentioned as a virtue of these speakers. Small size, extraordinary spatiality, transparency...these are acknowledged qualities of the Minx Speakers.

When you have a power handling figure quoted, that will give you an idea of where you could blow out the speakers. But below that input, you still want amplifier headroom so the power that comes out is clean and undistorted.

I should have stated my source. I was referring to the soundandvisionmag.com review (listed on the first page of this thread). On the final page it concludes:
"The Min10's high 90-dB sensitivity and mild 9-ohm nominal impedance ensure that you can drive this system even with the cheesiest receiver your local A/V store has in stock"

I appreciate the input from you guys and will get the best receiver I can afford. Probably a Denon 1912, as AV receivers are expensive in the 220v variety.
post #249 of 1868
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HT Labs Measures
Min 10 Satellite Sensitivity: 84.5 dB from 500 Hz to 2 kHz
post #250 of 1868
I'm looking to setup a 3.1 system in my family room and am trying to decide between min 10 or min 20 for the Left and Right. I am going to go min 20 for the center. I am also leaning towards the Mirage MM8 for a sub over the Cambridge X200 in order to save some money. I have an open floor plan for the family room into the kitchen with hardwood floors and a rug in the family room. The seating area is about 12 feet from the tv. My ceilings are 9 feet tall. Here is a crude picture of the layout with measurements. I will be using a Yamaha 663 receiver with this setup. Any help is appreciated.
LL
post #251 of 1868
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Sounds like a plan.
That Mirage Sub is looking nice!
post #252 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Sounds like a plan.
That Mirage Sub is looking nice!

Thank you, but you have me confused b/c I read your previous post before you deleted it. : )
post #253 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

Thank you, but you have me confused b/c I read your previous post before you deleted it. : )

What I was trying to say is, for best sound, try to do the Min 20's across the front but at the very least, two Min 10 and a 20.
post #254 of 1868
Hmmmm tough decision. Since this is the family room, I won't be able to crank it very often so I shouldn't need a ton of volume but if the fullness of the 20s is evident at normal volume they may be worth it. Also, is there another sub in the mm-8's price range I should be considering? Does the omni s-8 perform better? I have a little bit of room to work with so don't necessarily need something super small. I know smaller speakers can be harder to match with a sub so want to make sure the sub meshes well with them.
post #255 of 1868
Hi, I have many questions about these but I have not read the entire thread but did read most of the first page but wonder about some comparisons. This is for music only in terms of comparison. I may(likely) also hook up the Minx package to tv too but I am most interested in music.

At Crutchfield they have a a package of 2 Minx 10 & MinxX200 sub for $550. How would that compare to a pair of Cambridge S30 bookshelf speakers & S90 sub? That would total in the same 5-550 range. I would have guessed the S30/S90 combo would be better for music but after seeing some of the great reviews for these I am not sure. I was also interested in the same comparison with the NHT Super Zero/Sub 8 package which is in the same price range. Are the Minx as good or better than those two other packages even though much smaller?

I had the same question comparing the Minx $550 combo versus just a good pair(whichever those may be) of bookshelf speakers alone(2.0) in the same price range, say the PSB Image B6 for example. Again this is just for music only. Would you have a clear preference?

Lastly, how would this Minx $550 combo compare to some small 5.1 systems say the Energy Take Classic or Def Tech Pro Cinema 60.6 or even the Martin Logan MLT1 & MLT 2? Most of those are in the $400 range(when ML on sale or even less) but is the Minx combo superior to them for music?

Sorry if many of these questions came up earlier in this thread but was curious about these for awhile. Thanks.

roark
post #256 of 1868
Hi roark bookshelf speakers or standmounts will always have the edge over the small satelites, as the minxs arent capable of producing bass from there small drivers so they would need the sub in all cases, on the other hand when used with a subwoofer the sound quality they produce is very, very impressive.

I have to say that i'm completely happy with the min20 and x300 combo i have and enjoy music and movies alot. I have absolutely no regrets downsizing to these as the sound astounds me everytime i listen to them. If you could stretch to the min20s over the min10s it will give you alittle more volume.
post #257 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

Hmmmm tough decision. Since this is the family room, I won't be able to crank it very often so I shouldn't need a ton of volume but if the fullness of the 20s is evident at normal volume they may be worth it. Also, is there another sub in the mm-8's price range I should be considering? Does the omni s-8 perform better? I have a little bit of room to work with so don't necessarily need something super small. I know smaller speakers can be harder to match with a sub so want to make sure the sub meshes well with them.

I've never tried another Sub in the MM-8's price range. The reason why I picked the MM-8 was for it's small footprint and it closely resembled the Minx X300 in terms of having the "DSP" built in. Try any other Subwoofer at your own risk but I would suggest that you choose something that was meant to play well with these ultra fast response time drivers. This is why one would be better off sticking with one of Cambridge Audio's own X*00 series Subs, if not too sure what will work.
post #258 of 1868
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roark,

I would like to add that these are very good speakers for their size footprint. If you are wanting something to take the least amount of space, and at the same time, have very good sound quality, the Minx are for you.

Will this be for a two-channel (2.1) based system only?
post #259 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

I've never tried another Sub in the MM-8's price range. The reason why I picked the MM-8 was for it's small footprint and it closely resembled the Minx X300 in terms of having the "DSP" built in. Try any other Subwoofer at your own risk but I would suggest that you choose something that was meant to play well with these ultra fast response time drivers. This is why one would be better off sticking with one of Cambridge Audio's own X*00 series Subs, if not too sure what will work.

Ok thanks. You think the MM-8 is the better option over the X200 though?
post #260 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

Ok thanks. You think the MM-8 is the better option over the X200 though?

I can't say that because I've never heard the X300. I do know that I made the right choice for me because I was able to get two MM-8's for the price of one X300.
post #261 of 1868
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I can't say that because I've never heard the X300. I do know that I made the right choice for me because I was able to get two MM-8's for the price of one X300.

So I take it, based on your own criteria, that the MM-8s have as quick a response time as the X300?

Of course it would be interesting to hear how two MM8s stack up against an X300.

Hey Cambridge Audio! How about some brick and mortar display venues for your products in Southern California? We're bigger than Chipping Camden!
post #262 of 1868
"roark,

I would like to add that these are very good speakers for their size footprint. If you are wanting something to take the least amount of space, and at the same time, have very good sound quality, the Minx are for you.

Will this be for a two-channel (2.1) based system only?"

Yes 2.1 only. I was actually also just curious about these because I had read about the S30's here several months ago as they had received high praise and wondered how these would fare to those if the S90 sub was included.

I am also interested in the comparison for the same 5-600 of just 2.0 bookshelf's alone versus the Minx 2.1 for music listening only. I would like a sub generally but if I use with normal size bookshelf speakers the only place for sub would be along a shared wall of my townhouse and I am concerned I won't really be able to enjoy it there with any volume. But with the Minx as they are so small I have more placement options including much more nearfield. How are they in that setting say only 2-3 feet away as compared to 12-13?

Those 5.1 sub/sat systems I mentioned earlier all seem to get mostly get good to excellent reviews yet are less money than Minx 2.1 so I was just wondering if the sound quality of the Minx was actually superior to those.

Thanks again.
post #263 of 1868
Vanns has the MM8 for a great price. I'm very happy with mine. It doesn't overpower the Minx and blends in very nicely. I haven't heard the X300 either but the specs seem very close and I couldn't pass up the savings. They had an open box item that was brand new, so I got mine for an even better deal.
post #264 of 1868
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One of the differences between the X300 and the MM-8, is that the later has two passive radiators. I'm not sure if that equates to more bass output or not. I have no comparison to find out.

roark,

I would stick with a bookshelf speaker that will give you bottom end to, at least, 50-60 hz and pass on the Subwoofer.
post #265 of 1868
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Originally Posted by roark View Post

"roark,

the only place for sub would be along a shared wall of my townhouse and I am concerned I won't really be able to enjoy it there with any volume.

I think any sub along that shared wall will not foster good relations with your neighbors.
post #266 of 1868
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I had a chance to listen to the difference between both Min 10 & 20, now that the 20 was burned in for over 40 hours. My final verdict is.......................................................... ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ................................................if you plan on playing your speakers at low to sometimes (depending on what type of material) moderate levels, stick with the Min 10. If you want a fuller and less constricted speaker, definitely swing the Min 20. By comparison, the Min 10 sounds like too much signal is being squeezed through an approximately 2 inch driver at louder levels.
post #267 of 1868
"roark,

I would stick with a bookshelf speaker that will give you bottom end to, at least, 50-60 hz and pass on the Subwoofer."

"I think any sub along that shared wall will not foster good relations with your neighbors."

Yeah that is what I thought too and at least partly why I have been hesitant to get a sub.

If that was not an issue though do you think you would prefer the Minx 2.1 over whichever $550 bookshelf pair of your choice for music?

Thanks again.
post #268 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Mark McIntosh View Post

Vanns has the MM8 for a great price. I'm very happy with mine. It doesn't overpower the Minx and blends in very nicely. I haven't heard the X300 either but the specs seem very close and I couldn't pass up the savings. They had an open box item that was brand new, so I got mine for an even better deal.

Mark,
You mentioned in an earlier post that you thought the MM8 was anemic for home theater and that you wanted more out of it. Do you still feel this way after more hours with it? My setup will mostly be used for home theater so I am a little concerned.
post #269 of 1868
I think the sub has certainly improved over the time I've had it. I started with it at 1/2 volume and ran Audyssey on my Denon receiver. Even with my previous Orb setup I had to increase the sub volume some for movies. So I simply turned the sub volume up some and I back it down on the receiver when listening to music. It still doesn't rattle the walls, but it gives plenty of volume on explosions and such in home theater, and it is fantastic with music.
post #270 of 1868
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Originally Posted by roark View Post

Yeah that is what I thought too and at least partly why I have been hesitant to get a sub.

If that was not an issue though do you think you would prefer the Minx 2.1 over whichever $550 bookshelf pair of your choice for music?

Thanks again.

This really depends. I feel that the best thing the Minx have going is their dispersion. Try finding that with any direct radiating bookshelf loudspeaker. On the other hand, the typical bookshelf can normally be played without a Sub. So, there are tradeoffs. It's just finding what is best for you.
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