Originally Posted by taichi4
(Have you noticed any difference between the Min20s and the Min21s?)
I couldn't really say myself, since I've never owned any min20s. The store demo I had of them doesn't really count; whilst they sounded ok, I was not blown away by the demo, giving me quite a few misgivings about getting any of the minx speakers. Good job I finally decided to ignore that demo.
Part of the problem was the inflexibility of how CA had the system set up in my Richer Sounds store: the min20s (as with the min10s) were poked through a specially made cardboard marketing cutout and so were far too close together. Whilst the track being played sounded good in some ways, quite distinctly showing off the sub's strong crossover bass, I had to ask the assistant why it sounded a bit distorted - as he pointed out, the speakers were not supposed to be that close together.
Also, the track he played was a track I knew well from playing on a non-subwoofer system, and maybe I just wasn't ready for hearing that track with such a strong hard bass quite different to what I was used to. That said, I've never found the bass on that track that hard on my min21 setup, so I think something was setup wrong on the demo - perhaps other than speakers being too close. Also he played the track I knew well off an ipod/iphone, so it could've been an inferior mp3 rip for all I know.
So no, I can't really give you a proper comparison, but let this be a caution to those demoing.
Later on in the month I asked the assistant (who genuinely seemed to have a min20/10 setup himself) what he thought of the sound difference between the min20/10 and the min 21/11? In a reverse way, he had only heard a demo of the new ones, at some convention, and in his opinion they did sound a bit better but he wasn't sure it was worth the extra money. This was only a brief demo though, and again, although he was honest about it and not pushy, it did also seem to me that he was preferring to get rid of his min20/10 stock on me. Later on when I phoned the store I got another opinion from one of his sales assistant underlings: he felt the min21/11s were like the min20/10s "on steroids" ! That's sales staff for you!
Originally Posted by Perpendicular
Welcome! Sounds like you have the same exact setup as me except for I'm using the Min 10/20. After reading your 1st Post, I have some thoughts. I would ignore the Audyssey crossover setting and listen at a couple of different settings. Try 120 & 150 hz and hear what sounds best to you. If you like to listen real loud, I wouldn't set the crossover lower than 150...unless you can set it to 140 in your Onkyo. Whoever said that you can't damage one of these speakers is wrong. You can, and I have.
Yes, thanks, I think I will go with this advice. I may give audyssey another run anyway and see what it comes up with, but I won't be going below 120 Hz - I've been quite happy with 150 Hz anyway. Great as Audyssey is, I wonder whether it has been made to take into consideration the safety aspect of speakers systems like this that require and work with higher crossover settings than is usual.
Also, as this is my first subwoofer and hifi separates experience I don't know whether this is the norm, but I find the lack of info on crossover recommendations in the speaker manuals disappointing. The response freq range they quote is one thing, but when forums like this tell you about Audyssey being the more trusted measure because it does it for actual in-room conditions, it can all get a little confusing. As for the 140 Hz quote I mention above, this is awkwardly found in a footnote to an unrelated point on their web spec page!