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post #661 of 1868
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Since, having my AVR set at 100 hz crossover and listening for several days, I've come to the conclusion that it would be best for me to move back to the 150 hz setting.eek.gif Why one may ask? Because listening at 100 hz causes a thinness to music. It turns out that the very small drivers used in the Minx satellites just can't produce enough slam to frequencies (in my case - due to limited x-over selection in my particular AVR) in the 100-150 range. I'm starting to think that 120 hz may be too low too but I haven't tested this theory. I would have to connect all analog from my BD player to find out. Maybe, but I doubt it, the design of the new Min 11 & 21 will be different in this respect for a lower x-over point setting. We shall see (hear).

Also, For the past couple of weeks, I've learned quite a bit more regarding room correction featured in my Pioneer AVR. Pioneer uses it's own proprietary room correction called MCACC. I've had this AVR since 2009 and it is my first for the Pioneer brand. Anyway, I never knew how to use it as a more advanced user. So, I always settled on letting it do it's own thing when it came to calibrating my room using the "Auto" feature. This feature measures the eq of the room with a 80-160 ms time acquisition. I never thought much about it until recently when, after living in a more reverberant room for 2 years now, decided if I could do much better to get the sound more dialed-in. I learned that using a function called "EQ Professional", I could set the time period for individual points below 80 ms so that the measurement of the room is more direct versus reflective sound. Last weekend, I took the measurements from "Auto" calibration (80-160 ms) and manual calibration (30-50 ms) stored the results. This way, I could listen to the difference between the two. By comparison, listening to the 80-160 ms "Auto" setting sounded muffled like I had a blanket in front of the speakers. Listening with the 30-50 ms setting was like lifting a veil. Hearing details in music I've never heard before and dialog in movie soundtracks that were so clear that there wasn't a need to keep turning the volume up to hear it. This weekend, I decided to listen to various measurement points to help dial-in the sound and settled on the 20-40 ms setting. This goes to show how important room calibration is at getting your speakers closer to a flat frequency response to better hear your loudspeakers and music instead of the room. I definitely cannot live without Room Correction now...for it is mandatory. smile.gif
post #662 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

It turns out that the very small drivers used in the Minx satellites just can't produce enough slam to frequencies (in my case - due to limited x-over selection in my particular AVR) in the 100-150 range.

Oops! I meant to say 100 hz and above with the satellites in conjunction with the roll-off range of my particular brand of Subwoofer used. redface.gif
post #663 of 1868
Today is the big day I am installing my speakers, I am like a kid on Christmas morning!
post #664 of 1868
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Thats great! It may take some time to get everything set up right. In other words, you might move your speakers or sub around trying to find that perfect balance. Also, it does take many hours for your satellites to break in and sound their best. Not sure about the time on your sub. What did you end up purchasing?
post #665 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Troy Roop View Post

Today is the big day I am installing my speakers, I am like a kid on Christmas morning!

Without pictures it never happened... tongue.gif
post #666 of 1868
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Without pictures it never happened... tongue.gif

There hasn't been a response in a while now. Maybe, some problems?........eek.gif
post #667 of 1868
I had problems with some triple layers 2x4's in the front right speaker and was fighting with a vent in the wall for my rear left. This is where I left it for the night, hopefully I will finish tomorrow...

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post #668 of 1868
Hi All,

Jeff, if you really want some Min11's I can always send you some from England - I understand the USA has very low import duties?

Bazzy!
post #669 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Troy Roop View Post

I had problems with some triple layers 2x4's in the front right speaker and was fighting with a vent in the wall for my rear left. This is where I left it for the night, hopefully I will finish tomorrow...
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The blue tape on the left is all 2x4. So is the tape on the right.
post #670 of 1868
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Please, don't tell me that's a fireplace and the tv will be above on the mantle.
post #671 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi All,
Jeff, if you really want some Min11's I can always send you some from England - I understand the USA has very low import duties?
Bazzy!

Don't temp me! biggrin.gif
post #672 of 1868
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Jeff, if you really want some Min11's I can always send you some from England - I understand the USA has very low import duties?

Now Jeffrey, keep your hands off your wallet! tongue.gif
post #673 of 1868
There's some seriously impressive work going on here with regards to tuning and integration and we're watching developments with interest. Please keep the feedback coming as it is hugely valuable to ongoing improvement of the design concept.
Thanks and regards
Cambridge Audio
post #674 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Cambridge_Audio View Post

There's some seriously impressive work going on here with regards to tuning and integration and we're watching developments with interest. Please keep the feedback coming as it is hugely valuable to ongoing improvement of the design concept.
Thanks and regards
Cambridge Audio

We, here, on the consumer level much appreciate your innovative design. What I hope for is a BMR system which gives up nothing to larger systems, hopefully with a lower crossover (80hz) to the subwoofer to avoid directionality. Most of us are great fans of the BMR design.

Cheers
post #675 of 1868
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

We, here, on the consumer level much appreciate your innovative design. What I hope for is a BMR system which gives up nothing to larger systems, hopefully with a lower crossover (80hz) to the subwoofer to avoid directionality. Most of us are great fans of the BMR design.

+1

The BMR is fantastic, the 150Hz crossover point and weak midrange is not. Are there any plans to recitfy those issues on the horizon? I'm not talking about the Min21 either, I'm hoping for something a bit more substantial.
post #676 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Please, don't tell me that's a fireplace and the tv will be above on the mantle.

I don't like it either. But we got to do what we got to do. It just plain stinks.
post #677 of 1868
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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

We, here, on the consumer level much appreciate your innovative design. What I hope for is a BMR system which gives up nothing to larger systems, hopefully with a lower crossover (80hz) to the subwoofer to avoid directionality. Most of us are great fans of the BMR design.
Cheers

Thanks- the BMR design program is still very much ongoing and has more to give.
post #678 of 1868
I think it's a very positive development that Cambridge Audio is on the forum.

And hats off to Perpendicular for starting and building the thread.
Edited by taichi4 - 6/29/12 at 4:02pm
post #679 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Cambridge_Audio View Post

Thanks- the BMR design program is still very much ongoing and has more to give.

That's only half a sentence. smile.gif What more does it have to "give"? You can tell us - we won't let anyone else know... wink.gif
post #680 of 1868
Hi,

I agree! CA should at least send Perpendicular & Jim Wilson some Min11's & Min21's for evaluation considering all the efforts they have made so far! You listening CA?

Bazzy!
post #681 of 1868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cambridge_Audio View Post

There's some seriously impressive work going on here with regards to tuning and integration and we're watching developments with interest. Please keep the feedback coming as it is hugely valuable to ongoing improvement of the design concept.
Thanks and regards
Cambridge Audio

You're very welcomed! I'm happy to see that someone representing CA checks in and appreciates the feedback. I've been working on promoting the Minx systems (here and other places) because they are the best I've heard for their size and in their price range.

Quote:
Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

We, here, on the consumer level much appreciate your innovative design. What I hope for is a BMR system which gives up nothing to larger systems, hopefully with a lower crossover (80hz) to the subwoofer to avoid directionality.

I couldn't agree more but would settle for even a 100 hz crossover point capability..

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The BMR is fantastic, the 150Hz crossover point and weak midrange is not.

I agree that they'll have to come up with something larger than a 2 1/4" driver. Not sure what the sales numbers are now but would think there wouldn't be a lot of consumers purchasing these because of their "Lack Thereof" when they can get something a bit larger that fills the need in the lower band (80-100 hz).

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Originally Posted by Troy Roop View Post

I don't like it either. But we got to do what we got to do. It just plain stinks.

What we got to do is get rid of the fireplace. eek.gifwink.gif

BTW, how's it coming along?

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Originally Posted by Cambridge_Audio View Post

Thanks- the BMR design program is still very much ongoing and has more to give.

This should be an indication that there is more to come. Possibly more (larger) models in the future? Bigger drivers? Perhaps, a 4-channel design? A soundbar version called SoundBar Minx? Hey?! You can call all the Minx speakers SoundFront, SoundCenter & SoundSurrounds. That's it!!! You just needed a gimmick!! LOL

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Originally Posted by taichi4 View Post

I thinks it's a very positive development that Cambridge Audio is on the forum.
And hats off to Perpendicular for starting and building the thread.

Thanks, I do appreciate the acknowledge but this Thread wouldn't be anything without other's input. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi,
I agree! CA should at least send Perpendicular & Jim Wilson some Min11's & Min21's for evaluation considering all the efforts they have made so far! You listening CA?
Bazzy!

Now, we're talking!!! biggrin.gifwink.gifcool.gif
post #682 of 1868
Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy Roop

I don't like it either. But we got to do what we got to do. It just plain stinks.

What we got to do is get rid of the fireplace.

BTW, how's it coming along?


I just finished up with everything. I am still trying to figured things out and weighing my thoughts on it.

I live in Colorado, destroying a fireplace is a capital crime here..LoL
post #683 of 1868
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I know it will be tough, but try to keep your final impressions until the speakers have, at least, 50 hours of play time. Of course, initial thoughts are welcomed. wink.gif

I don't know if I missed it, what sub did you end up with? I read the lab tests on my Subwoofer about three times now and can say that it was the best decision I made when I decided to purchase the two ("The response with the crossover control set to 200Hz is exceptionally flat between 50Hz and 250Hz, varying no more than a total of 2dB."). They sound fantastic (yes, I moved them again - on the floor inside of my L&R satellites), and I'm listening right now with a crossover setting of 200 hz. I have headroom galore! biggrin.gif
post #684 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

I know it will be tough, but try to keep your final impressions until the speakers have, at least, 50 hours of play time. Of course, initial thoughts are welcomed. wink.gif
I don't know if I missed it, what sub did you end up with? I read the lab tests on my Subwoofer about three times now and can say that it was the best decision I made when I decided to purchase the two ("The response with the crossover control set to 200Hz is exceptionally flat between 50Hz and 250Hz, varying no more than a total of 2dB."). They sound fantastic (yes, I moved them again - on the floor inside of my L&R satellites), and I'm listening right now with a crossover setting of 200 hz. I have headroom galore! biggrin.gif

You guys may laugh at me, I thank you guys for your input and advice, but I decided to go a different route for the sub. I ended up going with the SVS SB12-NSD, a little, well a lot above my budget. The jury is still out on that as well. I figured a sealed platform may be able to keep up with these little guys, so far so good, but it is not hitting the lows as much as I would like it to, I will give them a call on Monday, for some helpful tips.

P.S. my Crossover is set at 150Hz
post #685 of 1868
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I don't blame you! The SVS is a very capable Subwoofer.

What do you mean by not hitting the lows? It may be your calibration and/or break-in time of the driver in your Sub.
post #686 of 1868
I think so too. Or maybe I am just used to a ported sub?
post #687 of 1868
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Hey! Do you happen to have a burn-in disc or something with a lot of bass that you can play continuously for a few hours? You can always download some frequency test files.
post #688 of 1868
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Hey! Do you happen to have a burn-in disc or something with a lot of bass that you can play continuously for a few hours? You can always download some frequency test files.
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Hmm, I may have an old bass CD laying around from my car audio insane bass days, I will have to look...
post #689 of 1868
I am am here just to say thanks, first to the forum that gave me the possibility to discover the Min11, than to Cambridge Audio for the smal-great product.
Bought after 2 minutes of listening, not or AV but for 2 channels audio in combination with a Velodyne CHT8.
I spent some months "playing" with NXT exciters and I know that it was not easy to reach these results with this technologies in a so small box.
In just a couple of hours of listening, the mid low, apparently missing at the beginning are coming out and the sound seems generated directly from the wall.
Some dealers sale or the same price just the banana plugs!


PS please do not stop to talk about Shakespeare, it was so funny!


Hi from Milano (Italy)
Edited by Sportyerre - 7/1/12 at 10:30pm
post #690 of 1868
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Thank you for joining AVS Forum and Posting for your first time on the Minx Thread.
We all look forward to your contribution. smile.gif
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