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post #1381 of 1535
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Thanks guys! I'm looking forward to getting a little time to work on the theater. I'd really like to get my electrical rough-in inspection done before the end of the year. I may have to make a decision on my seating before I can, though. I'm planning to use this step light



I'm considering using two for each step, but I haven't settled on how wide to make my steps. I'd like for the steps to come right up to the seating, but to do that, I have to know which seats I'll use. There in lies the problems smile.gif Without the step dimensions, I can't decide on placement of the step lights. Without the step light locations, i can't cut the holes in the riser that I need to mount the boxes and prewire......
post #1382 of 1535
You could always just build the step a "normal" width that would accommodate your top seating picks and then if the actual seating you buy ends up being more narrow, it would be easy to add a small but functional side table to bridge any gap.

I also wouldn't go with the vertical step lights unless they are mounted to the side wall. If you are putting these in the step riser you'll get slightly better light dispersion and easier fit with the horizontal unit like this:

post #1383 of 1535
It's good to plan the step lights carefully. I ran into a couple minor problems with my installation.

I wanted the vertical plate like you pictured, and that's what I've got, but not without compromise. The face of the step is not really comfortably tall enough to make me confident that after carpet is installed the plate will fit easily without trimming. Also, I built the step with a joist running right into the center of the step where I wanted the light. So I had to decide which direction to shift the light away from center on the step. :/

I could have mounted them horizontally to avoid my fitment concerns, since the ones I got (the cheap 7w Christmas light version) comes with both plates in the box.
post #1384 of 1535
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Good points about the lights. I'm planning to use the horizontal grills that come with those lights, that was just the stock photo.

If I go with the widest seats I'm considering, that would leave me with around 45" on each side of the chairs. I have a column that will take up another 10" from that leaving about 35". That's already below the minimum clear step width of 36". Going with the narrowest configuration I'm considering would give me another 6" on both sides, which is still tight for an end table. I suppose I could change to a three across front row and add some subs on either end of the seating. You can never have too many subs after all smile.gif Now that I think about it, 10" may not be deep enough for a column. I'm not sure where I got that figure from TBH.

Another possibility would be to use LED strip lights for tread lighting. Just mount them under the lip of the tread. The downside is I'll have to pick up another dimmer as well as a power supply. Not a huge deal, but certainly more expensive. The advantage is this would let me prewire without worrying about the width of the step until I actually have the seats.
post #1385 of 1535
J_P_A, Those are the lights I used too, and went with the horizontal configuration. They do kick out quite a pit of light for only being 7w. That is without carpet though. Will be able to give you a better idea of how much they light things up after they finish the carpet today.
post #1386 of 1535
Could you just surface-mount an electrical receptacle (i.e. no recess) to pass inspection and buy you some time? I wasn't speaking of a full-on end table, but a custom slim version that would be enough to set popcorn, remotes, iPads, etc.

Is 36" minimum code in your area? Minimum step width here in NC is 24".

I'll be honest, I am seriously thinking of going with 7 seats - 4 in the rear and 3 in the front - so people's heads are staggered. I know it's a loss of one seat, but it solves a lot of issues IMHO.
post #1387 of 1535
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

Thanks guys! I'm looking forward to getting a little time to work on the theater. I'd really like to get my electrical rough-in inspection done before the end of the year. I may have to make a decision on my seating before I can, though. I'm planning to use this step light



I'm considering using two for each step, but I haven't settled on how wide to make my steps. I'd like for the steps to come right up to the seating, but to do that, I have to know which seats I'll use. There in lies the problems smile.gif Without the step dimensions, I can't decide on placement of the step lights. Without the step light locations, i can't cut the holes in the riser that I need to mount the boxes and prewire......

Don't buy those lights!!! I repeat.......don't buy those lights!

I have a pair sitting at home that I didn't use and can forward them to you if you want them!

All I ask is that you give a positive review for them.............

"Everything Home"!!! Wayfair.com!!!biggrin.gif
post #1388 of 1535
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Could you just surface-mount an electrical receptacle (i.e. no recess) to pass inspection and buy you some time? I wasn't speaking of a full-on end table, but a custom slim version that would be enough to set popcorn, remotes, iPads, etc.

Is 36" minimum code in your area? Minimum step width here in NC is 24".

I'll be honest, I am seriously thinking of going with 7 seats - 4 in the rear and 3 in the front - so people's heads are staggered. I know it's a loss of one seat, but it solves a lot of issues IMHO.

Great minds think alike!

I had to fight my wife like mad for seven seats!! She was so into love seat seating I thought I wanted to hurl! biggrin.gif
post #1389 of 1535
I am sorry for the loss to Snakes are what my wife is always worried about on our new property.
post #1390 of 1535
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Could you just surface-mount an electrical receptacle (i.e. no recess) to pass inspection and buy you some time? I wasn't speaking of a full-on end table, but a custom slim version that would be enough to set popcorn, remotes, iPads, etc.

Is 36" minimum code in your area? Minimum step width here in NC is 24".

I'll be honest, I am seriously thinking of going with 7 seats - 4 in the rear and 3 in the front - so people's heads are staggered. I know it's a loss of one seat, but it solves a lot of issues IMHO.

I'm not sure specifically here, but I was using the above handrail spacing. From what I can find, if you have a handrail on both sides then minimum step width below the rail is 27". I'm sure it varies some for different municipalities. I assumed this was the bounding requirement when no handrail is required (i.e. three steps or less).

I think my wife still likes the idea of the love seat as well. We're also a family of four, so having four seats in the prime row makes sense. It's something to consider, though. I'd certainly like the option of putting some end-table subs there as it's pretty close to the middle of my theater.

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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Don't buy those lights!!! I repeat.......don't buy those lights!

I have a pair sitting at home that I didn't use and can forward them to you if you want them!

All I ask is that you give a positive review for them.............

"Everything Home"!!! Wayfair.com!!!biggrin.gif

Awesome! I'll send you a PM.
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I am sorry for the loss to Snakes are what my wife is always worried about on our new property.

Thanks for the thoughts. Before, I never took this seriously despite living in the woods. We've seen dead rattlesnakes on the road, but I always assumed they would go out of their way to stay away from areas with people. Unfortunately, I was very wrong. I've always been told that rattlesnakes are just as scared of us as we are of them, and they will run away given a chance. That, my friend, is a load of crap! This snake had a good five minutes between when my dogs were in the house and I got outside with something to deal with it. It was still there, and it was still rattling and showing it's fangs. It made no move to leave despite being all by itself for several minutes.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Sometime in the next couple years we'll be clearing out more trees to put the woods outside our fenced in yard. Obviously that's not a perfect solution, but it should help with the leaves and sticks that they tend to hide in. We don't let our kids go near the wooded section in our yard anymore, and I make a trip out looking before we let the kids go play. We've also found out that there is a rattlesnake vaccine for dogs that is very inexpensive. There's not a lot of data on it, but our other dog will be getting it soon.
post #1391 of 1535
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Originally Posted by GWCR View Post

J_P_A, Those are the lights I used too, and went with the horizontal configuration. They do kick out quite a pit of light for only being 7w. That is without carpet though. Will be able to give you a better idea of how much they light things up after they finish the carpet today.

I almost missed this post. Please keep me updated. IIRC, Damelon didn't think they were quite bright enough, so I was planning to go with two lights per step. I'll have to see if I can find his post.

Here we go
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

So after seeing Cinemar's build, and now Vanice's, I am entertaining the idea of adding nosing along my riser/steps vs the wrapped carpet, and then installing LED light strips under the nosing vs using the step lights which are currently installed. I may also change my rope light to LED lighting too.

1) The step lights are way too dim. I've had several people mention that it is still difficult to notice the steps with the lights off.
2) I like the look better. Plus the under-nose lighting is something you could leave on during a movie and not wash out the screen.
3) I don't think I'd re-do any wiring, or need to. I actually still have a spare z-wave plug which I could use if necessary, but I know they sell remote-controlled single outlet plugs. There is an outlet behind the front row of chairs anyway.

So this would involve cutting the carpet. This is a thick carpet and it has a pain-in-the-ass pattern. It might be difficult. The nosing itself wouldn't be hard, but since the carpet is already installed, we'd have to be very careful. Plus the location of the tack strips to hold down the carpet would need to move. Not sure if we could do the carpet work on our own or if we'd need help.

Thoughts big?

Edited by J_P_A - 10/31/13 at 12:13pm
post #1392 of 1535
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Could you just surface-mount an electrical receptacle (i.e. no recess) to pass inspection and buy you some time? I wasn't speaking of a full-on end table, but a custom slim version that would be enough to set popcorn, remotes, iPads, etc.

Is 36" minimum code in your area? Minimum step width here in NC is 24".

I'll be honest, I am seriously thinking of going with 7 seats - 4 in the rear and 3 in the front - so people's heads are staggered. I know it's a loss of one seat, but it solves a lot of issues IMHO.
Yea I already heard from my wife I am not allowed to sit in front of her for 16X9 as my head is in the way. Can I help it she is 5"3 and I am 6" and want to sit in the front row biggrin.gif
Edited by cw5billwade - 10/31/13 at 1:43pm
post #1393 of 1535
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

Thanks for the thoughts. Before, I never took this seriously despite living in the woods. We've seen dead rattlesnakes on the road, but I always assumed they would go out of their way to stay away from areas with people. Unfortunately, I was very wrong. I've always been told that rattlesnakes are just as scared of us as we are of them, and they will run away given a chance. That, my friend, is a load of crap! This snake had a good five minutes between when my dogs were in the house and I got outside with something to deal with it. It was still there, and it was still rattling and showing it's fangs. It made no move to leave despite being all by itself for several minutes.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Sometime in the next couple years we'll be clearing out more trees to put the woods outside our fenced in yard. Obviously that's not a perfect solution, but it should help with the leaves and sticks that they tend to hide in. We don't let our kids go near the wooded section in our yard anymore, and I make a trip out looking before we let the kids go play. We've also found out that there is a rattlesnake vaccine for dogs that is very inexpensive. There's not a lot of data on it, but our other dog will be getting it soon.
Now that it is getting cold my Friend around the corner from us walked out the door into his garage and sure enough there was on curled up under the door step between the door and his car. Trying to stay warm I guess.
post #1394 of 1535
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

I almost missed this post. Please keep me updated. IIRC, Damelon didn't think they were quite bright enough, so I was planning to go with two lights per step. I'll have to see if I can find his post.

Originally Posted by damelon

So after seeing Cinemar's build, and now Vanice's, I am entertaining the idea of adding nosing along my riser/steps vs the wrapped carpet, and then installing LED light strips under the nosing vs using the step lights which are currently installed. I may also change my rope light to LED lighting too.

1) The step lights are way too dim. I've had several people mention that it is still difficult to notice the steps with the lights off.
2) I like the look better. Plus the under-nose lighting is something you could leave on during a movie and not wash out the screen.
3) I don't think I'd re-do any wiring, or need to. I actually still have a spare z-wave plug which I could use if necessary, but I know they sell remote-controlled single outlet plugs. There is an outlet behind the front row of chairs anyway.

So this would involve cutting the carpet. This is a thick carpet and it has a pain-in-the-ass pattern. It might be difficult. The nosing itself wouldn't be hard, but since the carpet is already installed, we'd have to be very careful. Plus the location of the tack strips to hold down the carpet would need to move. Not sure if we could do the carpet work on our own or if we'd need help.
This is what I planed for I ran some cat 5 under the nosing of each step and from one side to the other of my riser to put LED strip lights on each step.
post #1395 of 1535
Package is on its way......wink.gif
post #1396 of 1535
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post



I think my wife still likes the idea of the love seat as well. We're also a family of four, so having four seats in the prime row makes sense. It's something to consider, though. I'd certainly like the option of putting some end-table subs there as it's pretty close to the middle of my theater.

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Hopeful Fred had a great idea..............ie. placing subs in end tables. Since my seating arrangement is 1st row 3 seats..........2nd row four seats............I have approximately 18" on either side of front row to fit end tables masked as subs. BTW, my steps are 24 inches wide and passed inspection. Currently, there is 18'' gap between seating and step on each side of front row to create an insurance nightmare. Even I have fallen head first missing step! biggrin.gif
post #1397 of 1535
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

A little bad news on the lighting front. I picked up a few of these lights for use in my coffered ceiling. Primarily I just want some lighting over the seating for...... well, I'm not sure actually, but it's been recommended a few times smile.gif I also want to conserve as much head height as possible, and these can be installed in a standard 4" Jbox. So I would only need about a 2.5" coffer.

At any rate, I hooked one up to a GE to see how it would dim, and it failed miserably. I tried it with another halogen in the circuit to increase the load as well, but still no luck. Based on the GE display, between full on and maybe 10% the change in light output was barely perceptible. Just before the light goes off, there is a slight change in light output. I called CREE, who apparently makes the light, and they suggested three different Lutron ELV dimmers. Unfortunately, they are all manual type dimmers. I asked if using an ELV dimmer in general would guarantee proper dimming, and the support person returned to reading canned answers off of their sheet. Basically, we've tested these three dimmers, we can't guarantee anything else will work. This is despite the package saying these lights are compatible with most dimmers.

I also called the supplier that I plan to use to purchase my RA2 system, and they couldn't shed much light on the issue either. It's pretty much trial and error, and unfortunately, i can't return the dimmers if they don't work.....
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

After digging around on the Lutron site for a while I finally found these lights. The "Lutron Report Card" shows that one of the RA2 dimmers will dim these lights, but only down to 19%, which we perceive to be about 44%. Unfortunately, the dimmer listed is an expensive one! Still, it will be cheaper than going the LED strip light route.

I'm thinking this is the route I'll go. I'd love to be able to dim these lights all the way to 0%, but in reality I expect these four lights to be the first ones I turn off in any scene. They certainly don't need to be on during a movie. The only time I expect to use them will be when I need all the lights on for cleaning or maybe reading a manual. I might have them on during a sporting event, but I think 50% dimming is reasonable there.
For what ever reason I had not been following your thread. I am sorry the lights did not work out for you mine are still on the Lutron manual dimmer so I gues that is why they worked for me. Did the RA2 dimmer work?
post #1398 of 1535
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Package is on its way......wink.gif

You are AWESOME! Thanks!
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Hopeful Fred had a great idea..............ie. placing subs in end tables. Since my seating arrangement is 1st row 3 seats..........2nd row four seats............I have approximately 18" on either side of front row to fit end tables masked as subs. BTW, my steps are 24 inches wide and passed inspection. Currently, there is 18'' gap between seating and step on each side of front row to create an insurance nightmare. Even I have fallen head first missing step! biggrin.gif

I should have mentioned the end-table subs were Fred's idea. At least, I got it from his post in your thread. Seems like a great way to solve two problems at once!

That gap between the steps and the seating has me concerned. I think even a small gap has the potential to get someone hurt. A three seat front row would be ideal (and save me money on seating as well), but I suspect I will end up with some sort of end tables in either case. Possibly something custom made in the case of a four seat front row as TMcG mentioned.
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For what ever reason I had not been following your thread. I am sorry the lights did not work out for you mine are still on the Lutron manual dimmer so I gues that is why they worked for me. Did the RA2 dimmer work?

I haven't tried the RA2 dimmers yet. Hopefully I'll be able to give it a try before long.
post #1399 of 1535
It seems like you don't really have need or space for anything to fill in space at the end of the seats if you can commit to a style and configuration. If I'm reading right, you've got either a 35" step or 41" in which to put steps and whatever else. 5 or 6 inches will be too small for any sub, I think - so it makes more sense to me to just extend the step.
post #1400 of 1535
Seems sooooooooo fitting with USC and Auburn being the headliners for ESPN this week! Figured I'd walk down memory lane........................I had a nice visit to SEC Country! wink.gif







Been a while since Saint Pete' departure.......................mad.gif
post #1401 of 1535
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Well, I can't thank you enough for posting/reminding me of that shining moment in Auburn's football history biggrin.gif

I have to say, I wish I could get some of that gum 'ol Pete chews, cause he's somewhere around five hundred years old but could pass for a 30 year old smile.gif
post #1402 of 1535
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

Seems sooooooooo fitting with USC and Auburn being the headliners for ESPN this week! Figured I'd walk down memory lane........................I had a nice visit to SEC Country! wink.gif




Been a while since Saint Pete' departure.......................mad.gif

I was at that USC game. I like these better......biggrin.gif



post #1403 of 1535
Wait - you guys are Auburn fans?!

So you won't like this one


or this one (It's my favorite wink.gif )


(I love SEC football!)
post #1404 of 1535
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I was at that USC game. I like these better......biggrin.gif




lol.......................................................Love the dramatics of Georgia coaches on the sidelines!




My visit to SEC country was a hoot........................passionate fans without a doubt! Lots of friendly banter........................BTW, Tiger fans were cordial and humble in defeat! wink.gif
post #1405 of 1535
Just to lift your spirits during lull in theater building.......................................








With that predicted score.....................good ole' Nicki will be surrendering for sure!!! wink.gif


post #1406 of 1535
Thread Starter 
Sorry for the late reply, we were in Disney last week.

Double, it's like you could see the future. I was listening to the end of the game on the radio on the drive back, and I will remember that call for a LONG time. That was an amazing end to that game, and what a way to shove the BCS out the door in 2013! Assuming the top three win their next games (which isn't a given by any stretch), there will be upset fans regardless of who goes to the championship game. I'll be glad to see the BCS gone regardless.
post #1407 of 1535
Thanks for meeting with me today. I really appreciate the hat channel sample and information. You house is even better in person and the theater looks great! Now get to work and finish her up! biggrin.gif
post #1408 of 1535
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Originally Posted by auburnu008 View Post

Thanks for meeting with me today. I really appreciate the hat channel sample and information. You house is even better in person and the theater looks great! Now get to work and finish her up! biggrin.gif

JPA owes me a movie if I ever get to Alabama ie. SEC Country again....................................wink.gif
post #1409 of 1535
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Originally Posted by auburnu008 View Post

Thanks for meeting with me today. I really appreciate the hat channel sample and information. You house is even better in person and the theater looks great! Now get to work and finish her up! biggrin.gif

It was great to meet someone off the boards, and glad some of those scraps can be helpful to someone. It's also nice to know I'm not the only "crazy" one in town. Looking forward to having some Auburn GTGs!
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

JPA owes me a movie if I ever get to Alabama ie. SEC Country again....................................wink.gif

Any time you're down this way, I'll be more than happy to provide the movie. Even if my theater isn't finished, we'll find one playing somewhere!
post #1410 of 1535
Checking how theater is moving along.......

Sad news concerning loss at Rose Bowl......

Looking at the brighter side.......'Bama now has to deal with this:




Advantage Auburn!!! biggrin.gif
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