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post #61 of 1001
Yeah real cool to see it from this point ... Im guessing you got the optional finished house with the theater so keep us posted. Did u put up floor plans as well?
post #62 of 1001
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Concrete is a lot like drywall. I've done it before, and I don't care to do it again. I'm glad to write that check! I sure do like looking at it now, though

So far our plumber did not spec a macerating pump. The pump will supposedly..... um.... pass........ 2" solids. From what I've found, this seems to be fairly standard. The grinder pumps that I found were very expensive (easily 4 times the price of the spec'd unit), and seemed to be designed for multi-unit homes or more commercial applications. But you're absolutely right, #1 for #2. I sure don't want to have to replace that pump!
post #63 of 1001
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Yeah real cool to see it from this point ... Im guessing you got the optional finished house with the theater so keep us posted. Did u put up floor plans as well?

It's a custom house. We looked at a lot of floor plans and never found one that was exactly what we wanted. We found a builder that does custom homes, and he works with an architect and designer that listened to what we wanted, and designed a house with all of our "wants" in it, that fit in our budget. I was amazed that the cost is about the same as building a home from an existing set of plans. It just takes longer on the front end.

I'll try to get the plans posted. I didn't post the plans for the 1st and 2nd floor. It takes some fiddling to get the line weights where they will show up online (they're big drawings). I'll see what I can do the next chance I get.
post #64 of 1001
I went the same route. Most of the advice I got said to work with an architect on the plans then bid out the construction. I'm sure that's the best path to the cheapest price, but we found a builder that was easy to work with and he worked with an architect to satisfy all our requirements, and endless changes.

I haven't signed anything, or paid a dime, but the guy has been working 8 months on a completely customized floor plan. We looked for probably 2 years and couldn't find anything. I don't understand why people have so many small useless rooms in their homes. I can understand lots of big useless rooms... if you're rich. But for middle class, I would rather sacrifice number for size, but no one does that so we had to custom build.

What are your plans for the theater? Are you going to have someone do it for you, or DIY route? Did you do anything to prep the HT space during construction?
post #65 of 1001
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It's really interesting how everyone gets into the mindset of, "This is how everyone else does it, so you have to do it this way to." For example, we decided that we have no need for a formal dining room. That's just not the sort of people we are. Even when we have people over for things like Thanksgiving, people get their plate and then head off to watch TV, or go outside, and only a few will actually stay at the table. We actually had a hard time convincing everyone that we really wanted a less formal dining area, and we wanted to use that dining room as a second bedroom on the first floor (stairs are necessary, but I don't like 'em )

I agree about room sizes as well. We actually ended up with more rooms in our house than we need now, but my wife may be planning to have her own football team so we had to add a few. However, we made sure to plan them so they would have multiple uses. The nursery will be converted to a study as I work from home quite a bit, the upstairs rooms will be converted to a workout room, etc. etc. I can't imagine NOT going the custom path, now.
post #66 of 1001
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What are your plans for the theater? Are you going to have someone do it for you, or DIY route? Did you do anything to prep the HT space during construction?

Wow, I started rambling and forgot to answer your question

I'm planning to finish the entire basement myself to save some money. The theater in particular would be difficult to find someone that would finish it properly. I feel like we have one of the best builders in our area, but I think the requirements for the theater are just too specific to get it done right.

The only prep we did is to make sure our architect created plans for the basement that showed where everything would go once we do finish the basement. That way the plumbing is stubbed in at the right places and the hvac and plumbing are routed out of the way in ceiling. We were very clear that we wanted a 9' FINISHED ceiling height in the basement. No mechanicals hanging down. Doing that also caught some issues with the location of our stairs that would have really limited our options later. Well worth the time and effort on the front end.
post #67 of 1001
Any construction updates to share with us? Figured there would be something noteworthy going on round the construction site.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #68 of 1001
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Sadly, no. My contractor acts like there was some sort of holiday last week

We do have the plumbing in the basement stubbed out, but there was a miscommunication and the sewage pump basin was put in the wrong spot. Our contractor and I both wanted to put it in the same place, but we got mixed up on emails, and he thought I wanted to put it somewhere different. Long story short, we caught it before the slab was poured, so we'll get it fixed.

We hope to pour the slab in the basement and the garage this week, but it's supposed to rain tomorrow, and part of Tuesday, so it may take a few days
post #69 of 1001
Holiday.....Holiday?????......HOLIDAY!!!!!........I guess there was that Turkeyday thing going on, or are you referring to black Friday? HA! I'll give you and your contractor a pass for the holiday, just don't expect such leniency in the future.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #70 of 1001
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Well, I don't have any construction updates, but I have done a little theater related work. I've got my first Sketchup model done. The dimensions are accurate, but I still need to decide on colors, and I'd like to come up with something creative for the soffits. So, here's the models as of now:





I'm a little concerned about the headroom entering the theater. It looks like there will be about 7' from the floor of the riser to the bottom of the soffit. Any recommendations on whether this will feel crowded? Once you step out from under the soffit, the ceiling height will be about 7'-10".
post #71 of 1001
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Well, since my Sketchup effort didn't get any love, I suppose I'll post more pictures

Here's the plumbers moving the sewage basin and getting ready to spread the gravel in the basement in preparation for pouring the slab. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they'll get the slab done this week, and I think it's supposed to rain the first part of next week so it's going to take longer than we hoped



Here's the part I've been most interested in seeing. As of now, they've just about finished the waterproofing. Here's a picture of the sprayed on membrane with the dimpled membrane on top of it.



Here's another one that I thought some of you may be interested in. Notice how the sprayed on membrane goes up higher than the dimpled membrane. The issue here is our house will be bricked, and the brick has to go below grade cause you don't want to see the concrete walls behind your flower beds. Originally, I had a problem with this, but I talked it over with my contractor and I think this will actually work out well. The thing to keep in mind is brick is porous to some degree (not sure how much), and this will actually act as hydraulic break, just like the dimpled membrane!



And finally, here's a bonus! I though we were just getting the dimpled membrane, but it turns out they could do the dimpled membrane plus the drainage board for a minimal cost increase. so here they are starting to add that as well. I feel like we've done just about everything we can to keep the basement dry! The only step left here is to install the drain tile at the footer.

post #72 of 1001
Everything is looking great! The photos look just like how ours went in. Except you've got the added drainage board. I've always been told that the most important step in keeping a basement dry is the final grading and movement of surface water away from the house. If you get that right and all the "precautionary" measures of membrane, dimple board and footer drains (I didn't hear you mention those?), you should be in GREAT SHAPE! Make sure final grade slopes positively away from the house. With the slope you have (and I had), it should almost naturally happen.

Your Sketchup work looks good too. I don't want to sound guilty of suggesting you do it the way I did, but I want to point out things that I think went right in my layout. If you look at my step downs adjacent to the front row seating, mine are not "notched" into the riser as you've shown. I think there are a few benefits. First, the notched in approach creates an awkward corner that people could trip up on. Second, it takes up space on the riser (in an isle so to speak) that is already sacrificed next to the chairs of the front row. Does that make any sense? or even seem like an advantage?

Next, built my bar so that the bar top is generously deep. 24" in the middle, and it will curve to 18" deep at the ends. My thinking here was to allow for a buffet style layout of food and still allow room for someone to sit there with a plate of their own. We've seen this be an advantage many times already, practically any time we've had a sporting event. Even on regular nights with just family, it's nice to have room for say...my laptop in front of me AND my dinner plate.

What's the dimension of riser space between the bar and the front edge of riser? It looks generous, which is good! 7' works out really well for most reclining chairs.

Some food for thought...certainly not the only way, but we've appreciated some of these things in our space.
post #73 of 1001
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Tony,

You're right about the grading, and my general contractor says the same thing about it every time we discuss waterproofing. I just want to make sure the things that can't be fixed easily are right the first time.

I really appreciate the comments about the layout as well! Those are great points that I would have probably realized once it was too late. I'll update my sketch up model the next chance I get and see how it looks. I had really only considered using the bar during sporting events, but adding the extra space to make room for a laptop AND dinner really makes sense.

It's a little over 8' from the front of the riser, to the front of the bar now. This may need to shrink some to make more room for the front row of seats.

I meant to mention earlier that I've used your theater as a model for mine so far. You've been a huge help by providing feedback on your seating locations, room dimensions, etc., in your thread, here, and by PM. It's a bit of daunting task trying to figure out where everything should go, and knowing someone that's been down that road really helps. So again, thanks for all the help!
post #74 of 1001
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I know you guys like pictures, so here's the latest update (BTW, are these things sized right for everyone?). The weather has not been cooperating, so things are moving a little slow, but we hope to start framing this week. They did get the basement slab and the garage slab poured, however. The first pic is looking from inside the garage out over the basement.



This is a shot of the front right corner of the house from standing in the driveway (well, the future driveway).



Here's a shot looking into the basement from the walkout end that will have the windows



Here's a shot from where the prime spot in the theater (you've got to use your imagination for this one )

post #75 of 1001
Fantastic!
post #76 of 1001
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I thought some of you might also find this interesting. Here's another pic of the waterproofing with the Drain & Dry board installed on top of the Geo-Mat Plus (aka dimpled membrane) on top of the Mar-Flex spray on membrane..... Whew, that's a mouth full. There is one piece of the drain and dry that the concrete guys nocked off, but it's easy enough to put back.




I had several issues with the installation that we've worked out bit by bit. First, I was concerned about how the top edge of the drainage mat will be below grade. I've talked to the manufacturer, and he assured me that once backfilled, the dirt will force the mat against the membrane enough to form a seal. He said this fits with their recommended installation techniques. And truthfully, for a brick house, there really isn't an alternative. So, that's how it will stay.


Next, the waterproofers originally ran the Geo-Mat Plus and Drain & Dry up past the edge of the brick ledge. That's wrong, so they are going to come back and trim it up.

Next, If you look at the bottom of the wall, you can barely see the top edge of the drain tile. It's an engineered product called DrainAway that's quite a bit different than the usual drain pipe you see down there. We're going to clear off the dirt and replace it with gravel. The manufacturer says the dirt is fine, but not preferred. My contractor says they always use just dirt, and have never had a problem. But why risk it.


Next, that drain tile has special corner connectors that are used for 90 degree corners that the waterproofers didn't use. I spoke with the manufacturer about this as well, and they said that while they prefer the connectors, they don't see any warranty claims resulting from an installation like this (no connectors), and the connectors are not required to maintain the warranty. So, I suspect we'll leave it as is.

As a side note, when I was researching this stuff, I was told by one of the reps that just using a fiber type drainage board (like the Drain & Dry) would not hold up as well as the dimpled membrane. He said that over time, the fiber board would compress and lose some of its drainage ability. Hence the use of both the Geo-Mat Plus and the Drain & Dry together. This system is supposed to have a 30 year warranty I believe.

At any rate, I thought someone else going down this road might find this information useful. So I posted it up the novel you see here
post #77 of 1001
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Fantastic!

Thanks, Ted! I love having visitors to my thread! It really does help keep you motivated.
post #78 of 1001
Wow, can't believe I missed all the fun here! Nothing like some great construction pics to get one's heart "all aflutter" Makes me want to build again.
Will you be framed in the next week or two?
post #79 of 1001
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I actually have no idea how long framing will take, but my contractor says it will go quickly once they start.

Edit: With all the headache this waterproofing has caused, I don't know that I'll look forward to building again I'm hoping this is the only problem area, though.
post #80 of 1001
My builder had us under roof in about 1.5 weeks if memory serves, but after that things slowed down due to having to schedule all the other trades (insulation, drywall, electric, hvac, etc etc) involved.
post #81 of 1001
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WOW!!!! That would be great! I had no idea it would go that fast. I've done some construction, but never a ground up build.
post #82 of 1001
Yep...mine was similar. They had a framing crew of about 15 people and the whole house went up in less than two weeks. You're about to have some real visual impact! Then it came to a crawl.... But, I was at your stage in mid Jan and moved in mid June.
post #83 of 1001
Things seem to be coming along nicely. I need to start a Sketchup model for my space to help me work through some troubling areas.

Assuming your soffits aren't very deep, I think the 7' clearance when entering the room should be just fine. Most people don't feel the need to duck when going through a doorway (6'-8"), so going under a shallow 7' soffit should feel ok.
post #84 of 1001
You could make the irregular area in the back of the theater an equipment closet. It looks like you could squeeze a projector in there and still have it centered.
post #85 of 1001
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...........I was at your stage in mid Jan and moved in mid June.

We're hoping to be in the house by the end of April, but I think we're going to be really pushing it there. We'll hope for good weather.

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.........Assuming your soffits aren't very deep, I think the 7' clearance when entering the room should be just fine. Most people don't feel the need to duck when going through a doorway (6'-8"), so going under a shallow 7' soffit should feel ok.

Thanks for the reassurance! I'm almost 6'-4" so I get a little different perspective about the height of things.

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You could make the irregular area in the back of the theater an equipment closet. It looks like you could squeeze a projector in there and still have it centered.


That is a good idea! That space does cover more than half of the back of the room. I bet it would fit. I think the only drawback would be how far away from the screen that the PJ will be. I don't know how that will affect the brightness, but I'm certainly going to keep that in mind! That would be the ideal place for everything. I wouldn't have to worry about banging my head on the PJ
post #86 of 1001
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Thanks for the reassurance! I'm almost 6'-4" so I get a little different perspective about the height of things.


I'm 6'-5", so I can relate. I never used to worry (or pay much attention) walking through doors until we tried a new Mexican restaurant a few years back. The FRONT door to the restaurant was about 6'-3" tall. I know this because the lump on my forehead was about 2" below the top of my head. Apparently code enforcement is a little lax in Houston.
post #87 of 1001
Hey, thanks for sharing the construction photos. The novel you posted on the drain tile makes sense, and should go a long way to keep water out of and away from your basement. Time and money well spent in my opinion. Far too many people only worry about water in their basement AFTER they have issues. You are a wise man (or at least your contractor is) for meeting this head on. You won't have any regrets.

All of the other photos have me excited for you. I really enjoy watching homes come together from footings to that last finishing touch. Your basement is going to be an excellent space for you to build your theater.

With you guys at 6-04 and 6-05 I feel short at 6-01 and a smidge. I can relate though as my 16 year old is 6-04 and still growing.

Keep the pics coming, I am living vicariously through your build.

Regards,

RTROSE
post #88 of 1001
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

I'm 6'-5", so I can relate. I never used to worry (or pay much attention) walking through doors until we tried a new Mexican restaurant a few years back. The FRONT door to the restaurant was about 6'-3" tall. I know this because the lump on my forehead was about 2" below the top of my head. Apparently code enforcement is a little lax in Houston.

Did you get your dinner for free? Maybe a fish bowl margarita to help with the headache
post #89 of 1001
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Originally Posted by RTROSE View Post

..........Keep the pics coming, I am living vicariously through your build.

Regards,

RTROSE

Don't worry, I'm trying for a record number of photos in one thread. This is the only place I get to talk about my house all I want My wife and I have been working towards this house for years, so I'm trying to make this time count!

Oh, and I can imagine your grocery bills are pretty impressive with a 6'-4" son in the house!

I appreciate all you guys following along!
post #90 of 1001
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Originally Posted by J_P_A View Post

Don't worry, I'm trying for a record number of photos in one thread. This is the only place I get to talk about my house all I want My wife and I have been working towards this house for years, so I'm trying to make this time count!

Oh, and I can imagine your grocery bills are pretty impressive with a 6'-4" son in the house!

I appreciate all you guys following along!

He along with my 13 year old (a son who is growing by leaps and bounds as well) are eating machines. They literally eat all the time (except when they are sleeping), and I am amazed at what they can consume daily. I swear that they make a 100 trips between the fridge and panty each day. Our grocery bills are rather large. My wife has a couple of things that she really enjoys and she has now gone to hiding her stuff from them so she gets it. Fun stuff.

Regards,

RTROSE
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