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post #61 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:12am
i might be the only one not impressed by the controller and thinks this is an epic fail
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post #62 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

This game isn't on the PC yet, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt, it was a 10 second clip. Are your eyes THAT GOOD at spotting physics and lighting in a 10 second clip? Come on, lets not be a negative nanny here dude.

Playing 2033, there are sparkles and colored smoke floating ALL OVER the place. Light is warped by the smoke and smog in all of the environments. It looked like 2033 on 360. I don't mean to argue semantics but these things are important to me.

I'm not being a negative nanny, but this seems schizophrenic to me. I get it but I don't.
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post #63 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

For Nintendo, yes. What happens when MS release in 2013? Graphics matter. I guess I don't really get the screen being a comfortable to use controller. I'm not interested in playing that way.

I want to know about their online service and I want to see the third party stuff in action. This would have been a better sell had they brought it out on stage with some piece of software to anchor it.

You don't know that it isn't more powerful, but seem to really be willing to believe it isn't.

Personally, it looks like it really might be to me, so it has me very excited, especially with the potential for that controller. Madden will be awesome calling plays just like a real offensive or defensive coordinator, and the ability to see your lie, on the golf course, seems awesome.
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post #64 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

i might be the only one not impressed by the controller and thinks this is an epic fail

I agree with you sir. They'll need something a little smaller like the wavebird IMO.
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post #65 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

Playing 2033, there are sparkles and colored smoke floating ALL OVER the place. Light is warped by the smoke and smog in all of the environments. It looked like 2033 on 360. I don't mean to argue semantics but these things are important to me.

I'm not being a negative nanny, but this seems schizophrenic to me. I get it but I don't.

Ok man, you're just better than me at judging games from a brief sinppet.
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post #66 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:15am
So no mention of specs or blu-ray playback?
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post #67 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

For Nintendo, yes. What happens when MS release in 2013? Graphics matter.

No they don't. For proof, ask Nintendo. Or hell, MS and Sony today - the 360/PS3 graphics certainly don't measure up even to a cheap PC, but those systems are doing fine.

We reached a point where, for the vast majority of people, graphics are "good enough."

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Playing 2033, there are sparkles and colored smoke floating ALL OVER the place. Light is warped by the smoke and smog in all of the environments. It looked like 2033 on 360. I don't mean to argue semantics but these things are important to me.

Then keep playing it on the PC. That's the only place for people who really care about graphics. If a new console from MS or Sony comes out in 2013, it won't live up to PC tech in 2013. It might live up to PC tech in 2011.
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post #68 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by jblank74 View Post

Ok man, you're just better than me at judging games from a brief sinppet.

I dunno. You were able to determine from bark on a tree that it was at least as powerful, if not moreso, than both the PS3 and the 360...
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post #69 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:18am
Nintendo: hey... look at this controller... and watch this video.... yep we can do that with this... Good night..
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post #70 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:19am
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So wow- NO first party Nintendo game announcement for WiiU, no detail on launch timing, specs, price point, nada. Just a tablet with thumbsticks that can port to your TV, and some pretty HD clips.

Where's the online details? Social anything? Even MS had "Facebook Sims" or whatever.

I really think PSV wins E3, and that sucks. PSP has been talking to PS3 since launch...

Obligatory Zelda screen shot
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post #71 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:20am
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No they don't. For proof, ask Nintendo. Or hell, MS and Sony today - the 360/PS3 graphics certainly don't measure up even to a cheap PC, but those systems are doing fine.

We reached some point where, for the vast majority of people, graphics are "good enough."

But is the OS and online experience there? I believe if you can get to 720p-1080p you're fine. WII doesn't do that at all.

I personally don't need another box that gives me the same graphical experience. If I'm going to pay up I'd like to be buying into superior graphics. The controller doesn't really sell me at all. Seems like a play on the Apple TV/iPad interactivity.

It's just my opinion though and I appear to be in the minority. I just found the presentation to be very confusing and I don't think it will appeal to the hardcore(people who buy lots of games).

The promise of 3DS interactivity with Smash on WiiU seems empty to me. Nintendo has never really executed well on this front before.
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post #72 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

For Nintendo, yes. What happens when MS release in 2013?

Not to be Debby downer, but it'll be 2014 at the earliest. If this is cost effective, and priced right, Nintendo could be back again with another inovation in 2015/16 lining right up or after. So yeah, let's not bother with the console war BS.

The bigger question is what will it offer to make current gen owners go out to buy another console.

HD is on par with the Xbox, and possibly a tad below PS3 First party titles. Just about everyone playing the games they just showed already owns a Xbox/PS3, or has friends on those systems networks. Not sure if Nintendo first party titles will be enough, Nintendo and 3rd party publishers don't exactly have the best relationship currently, AND there's no cool novelty factor there like there was with the Wii, which led to it being a hot must have toy of the year (two years really).

I like it as a gamer, but I'm not sure where it fits as a good path forward to Nintendo.
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post #73 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:21am
So no new console? Just the Wii-U controller? If that's the case then EPIC FAIL.
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post #74 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by bassmonkeee View Post

I dunno. You were able to determine from bark on a tree that it was at least as powerful, if not moreso, than both the PS3 and the 360...

Well I've never seen bark that good on either system, so to my eye, if that is in fact an early idea of its potential, then it seems easy to believe it can be at least as powerful, if not slightly more powerful.

If the system is an HD system, and we know that it is, it stands to reason it would have to at least be reasonably close to, the same as, or slightly better than the 360 and PS3. I don't see the reason to bring out a new console and have it STILL lag far behind the current systems.
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post #75 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:22am
The most telling thing to me, was towards the very end of the conference, when it showed a lady holding the new controller, and it was longer than her forearm, lol.

That freaking thing is HUGE!


I just can't imagine holding that thing, while simultaneously using the dual thumbsticks, and the shoulder buttons and all that, while playing a traditional type action game for an extended period of time. I will say however, that maybe the ergonomics will be good, and it won't be an issue. It's doing to depend on how much the thing weighs. I guess the good news is that I'm an adult male with decent sized hands. I'm not sure what my kids are going to do with that thing, in terms of trying to hold it up and play an action game like Darksiders 2.

Other than that, we just don't have enough details at all to make any kind of valid comparison to the relative power of the machine. So, no need to even argue about that.
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post #76 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by ToddUGA View Post

So no new console? Just the Wii-U controller? If that's the case then EPIC FAIL.

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post #77 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:22am
PSv was nice but doesnt win it for PS... they all get c+ to me...
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post #78 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by voodoozen View Post

So wow- NO first party Nintendo game announcement for WiiU, no detail on launch timing, specs, price point, nada. Just a tablet with thumbsticks that can port to your TV, and some pretty HD clips.

Same as the 3DS last year. They just showed it off with some tech demos and announced firm details later.

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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

But is the OS and online experience there? I believe if you can get to 720p-1080p you're fine. WII doesn't do that at all.

I personally don't need another box that gives me the same graphical experience. If I'm going to pay up I'd like to be buying into superior graphics. The controller doesn't really sell me at all. Seems like a play on the Apple TV/iPad interactivity.

It's just my opinion though and I appear to be in the minority. I just found the presentation to be very confusing and I don't think it will appeal to the hardcore(people who buy lots of games).

The presentation WAS confusing.

But the bottom line is, if graphics are your PRIMARY reason for buying new hardware... just stick with PC. Nintendo, clearly, was NOT selling this thing based on graphics, but on the controller.
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post #79 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:26am
I pre-ordered the Vita, I'm excited for it also, but I think Nintendo slimly wins E3, by the narrowest of margins of Sony.....but it's close.
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post #80 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:27am
It sounded like there will be hands on play time on the floor. I'm sure we'll get more info when people get their hands on it.

I thought it looked pretty good. They appear to be getting 3rd party support and the controller looks fun. I also like I can play over just the controller while leaving sports on tv.

The 3ds games also looked good. Mario 3ds looked fantastic.
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post #81 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by ToddUGA View Post

So no new console? Just the Wii-U controller? If that's the case then EPIC FAIL.

It's both, a controller and then there's a new console, they just don't have any specs or prices.

I'm also thinking PSV wins this one. Sony beat them to it, but Nintendo showed how to use it. Sony was very vague on Ps3/PSV functionality, and just how it end up being used in conjunction to the PS3 (They focused on portable gaming).

It most likely could have the same exact abilities that the WiiU showed AND be a portable gaming device; but than again this is Sony we're talking about. There's still tons of potential for the XMB, PSN, & Home, but Sonys only vision was adding paid streaming services.

Big question is does Sony have the vision to beat Nintendo here with their better tech & Does Nintendo have a big enough carrot to lure back hardcore gamers while keeping the casuals.
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post #82 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Not to be Debby downer, but it'll be 2014 at the earliest. If this is cost effective, and priced right, Nintendo could be back again with another inovation in 2015/16 lining right up or after. So yeah, let's not bother with the console war BS.

The bigger question is what will it offer to make current gen owners go out to buy another console.

HD is on par with the Xbox, and possibly a tad below PS3 First party titles. Just about everyone playing the games they just showed already owns a Xbox/PS3, or has friends on those systems networks. Not sure if Nintendo first party titles will be enough, Nintendo and 3rd party publishers don't exactly have the best relationship currently, AND there's no cool novelty factor there like there was with the Wii, which led to it being a hot must have toy of the year (two years really).

I like it as a gamer, but I'm not sure where it fits as a good path forward to Nintendo.

I wasn't meaning to spark console war debate. It's just that I need to compare what the benefits are, for me, if I'm going to open up my wallet for it. I would love Nintendo to really do something I consider to be amazing. I feel like I got scammed on the Wii and I'm hesitant to commit to them again. If there are some really incredible next generation console experiences I may reconsider. For me, the online interactivity is extremely important and they didn't touch on that all. That's important to me as what the market considers to be "hardcore".
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post #83 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

Same as the 3DS last year. They just showed it off with some tech demos and announced firm details later.



The presentation WAS confusing.

But the bottom line is, if graphics are your PRIMARY reason for buying new hardware... just stick with PC. Nintendo, clearly, was NOT selling this thing based on graphics, but on the controller.

Maybe, but you can't argue that the systems graphics don't look very promising to say the least.

You guys act like you were expecting this thing to perform like a $2000 PC, graphically....I was not, my expectations were tempered, but I was really impressed.
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post #84 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

I wasn't meaning to spark console war debate. It's just that I need to compare what the benefits are, for me, if I'm going to open up my wallet for it. I would love Nintendo to really do something I consider to be amazing. I feel like I got scammed on the Wii and I'm hesitant to commit to them again. If there are some really incredible next generation console experiences I may reconsider. For me, the online interactivity is extremely important and they didn't touch on that all. That's important to me as what the market considers to be "hardcore".

Considering it won't be out until well into 2012, you'll have plenty of time to weigh its pros and cons.
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post #85 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:32am
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Wired has the story, and says this is what Zelda might look like on an HD console, BTW. So even that pic is just a bullshot.

Controller is what N wants U to buy... the console is a mystery to all, but it is at the show

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Originally Posted by wired.com View Post

Nintendo kept our preview session entirely focused on the play experience, and revealed very little about the specifications of the upcoming machine. The company said the games would come on proprietary high-density optical discs and that the new console would use internal flash storage for downloaded content, which would be upgradable with SD cards or USB sticks.

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post #86 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:34am
And in closing, make Link talk and I'll buy one.
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post #87 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by voodoozen View Post

Wired has the story, and says this is what Zelda might look like on an HD console, BTW. So even that pic is just a bullshot.

Controller is what N wants U to buy... the console is a mystery to all, but it is at the show




So there is a new console? I'm completely confused.
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post #88 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:35am
Hopefully the new PS4 includes a 42" screen in the controller so I can see what I'm playing when my television is in use by others.
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post #89 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:35am
Even though I could not have any less interest in Darksiders, Ninja Gaiden, or 80% of EA games, the focus on them here was the right call. We KNOW all the usual Nintendo stuff will be coming, but gamers and devs need to know this new system is going to have lots of third-party support too. For the same reason I wish they would've addressed their other big weakness, online play.

I'm still iffy on how comfortable it will be to use that controller for long periods (I'm reminded of when I tried to play Smash Bros Melee with the Gamecube Keyboard Controller, just to be stupid), but Nintendo usually nails ergonomics so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that.
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post #90 of 174
6/7/11 at 10:38am
i just cant see the appeal for a game console or controller or whatever it is the same size as your elbow
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