Poll - Your Favorite HDMI Cable - Page 3  

CNET, now that is a joke.

He has, with science and a technical knowledge of how digital cables work.

You however, have provided nothing but the same bias, misinformation, and propaganda that has been disproven ad nauseum for the past decade.

Have ever tried a high end cable? Actually the digital picture of tv proves my point. By the way do you have any proof that WHAT HI FI is getting paid off to alter their test results. Have you checked out stereophile magazine on the web or WHAT HI FI way of testing products.

Where is your proof that all cables are the same, is there a test of 50 cables that I can look at of different brands that show me the sameness.

So you discount my tests which my friends and myself see as a difference and you discount WHAT HI FI testing program and stereophile testing program.

That is very interesting, you are giving me nothing to change my mind.

Still just propaganda and no science.

Please come back when you have at least a novice level of technical understanding.

There are countless tests out there that show zero difference in quality. CNET, Popular Mechanics, NBC... Yet some garbage rag called WHAT HI FI and some snobby stereophiles (who can't distinguish expensive speaker wire from lamp cords) do their own test contaiminated with confirmation bias and say otherwise.

This is why I stick with measureable facts only, which completely prove you wrong.

The Direct TV installer told me that the company wants at least 70% signal or breakup will occur.

See you reacted with your hogwash statement before you found out the information.

My measurable facts prove me right, when you have tests of different cables that show sameness you can come back when you have something to back you up. CNET, NBC are jokes.

Where is your proof that WHAT HI FI is being paid off for their testing results?

WHAT HI FI is a joke*, CNET and Popular Mechanics are legit, because they are done by people who are actually educated.

Examples provided. Myths disproven. Propagandist defeated.

Science wins.


*see, I can play this game too!

Once again you (unknowingly, because you lack the education to understand the field you are mistakenly trying to discuss) prove you own point wrong. If there IS a problem with the signal transmission breakup will occur. THAT is the only problem that can happen, not a fuzzy picture, not dull colors, not flat sound or any of the other nonsense you claim your magical unicorn HDMI cables prevent.

"Tests" like you describe are pointless and are subject to the prejudice of the subject, as displayed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs

I have provided my test results.
I have provided WHAT HI FI test results using their professionals, 2.5 million dollar (US) 6 room facility. The only magazine or organization that tests all type of cables and other electronic equipment.
Stereophile magazine telling of audio differences.

I have been provide opinions but no tests on the sameness of cables, ie 50 or more.

Nothing said has been convicing me that what I am saying is not correct.

Some have attacked my examples and magazine tests or even suggested fraud with the magazine tests.

All we are doing is going round and a round. Until I am provided with a definitive test that show 50 cables of different companies have the same picture and audio quality I will believe what I see.

I recommend that all persons believe what they see, if it is different trust your eyes and ears, that is the ultimate test. Not opinions of those that think they are right about all cables being the same.

How many of the so-called experts have purchased a blu ray player with an hdmi cable in the box, but not use it because it is junk, but instead buy another cable. Why would anyone do that if all cables are the same.

Because they, like you, are ignorant of the science involved; and have bought the marketing lie perpetrated by the likes of Monster Cable.

I looked at the pictures of those six rooms on the WHAT HI FI site. What I didn't see was any lab equipment to test HDMI cables. The rooms are just listening/viewing rooms. It appears that they don't test anything, just write reviews that at best are based on their personal perceptions which might reflect a different reality than that of most of us, or at worst just plain lie to feather their own nest.

If there is a real audible or visible difference between HDMI cables, it can be measured. Where are the measurements to back up the opinions based on personal perception?

Show me the data. You must be pretty bad at the law if you use methods like these to back-up your arguments.

You've got to have some data you can show us, right?

Again, you're the one trying to say that physics is wrong, not I. You must have some numbers somewhere or comparison pictures or even a checklist/procedure from your tests. It would then be a simple matter to show those here.

Right now, I don't know if your friends even cared or were just trying to be "polite" when you were forcing them to watch these tests. All you have are words without substance and no data.

You have a wonderful chance to educate us all, if you could only provide some data. We're all waiting and ready to listen.

Oh Mr. HDPerson...In the Audioquest Cinnemon cable description contains the following little nugget, "• 12M Cables are Standard Speed HDMI w/Ethernet Connection". Believe it or not, that's actually a point in Audioquest's favor. Do you know why?

So, it seems you might be the one who doesn't know that Audioquest produces standard speed cables as well as high speed cables. Is it possible that your ignorance of the subject extends to the very cable that you are apparently joined at the hip with? I'm shocked, absolutely shocked, that you would not know this.

So, which do you own, standard speed cables or high speed cables? How do you know this?


Also you never responded to my question about fiber HDMI links. Why aren't you trying those?

Fair enough - I'm done.

You are a wise man.

^^^

not really. if he was a wise man, he would have learned something from this thread...

Fair enough, I am satisfied.

Vanco has my vote as well. They have never let me down!!

I buy my HDMI cables from Parts Express. Dayton Audio brand. I have never had a problem with them.

I know this thread may be old, however MR. HDPERSON ....you go on and on about the color being better on one cable and this and that...
I don't understand how one cable could add or remove color.

IF YOUR CABLE DOES THIS THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG.

a cable is meant to transmit digital content which consists of a 1 and a 0.

Read this and learn....

You realize we had actually killed this thread 1.5 years ago? So this would be salt in old wounds.

I think we made the point fairly strongly that the cable doesn't affect color in any way. Mr. HDPerson then got obnoxious and was asked to leave. It's all in the thread for reading.

How about appending to one of the newer threads instead?

Now that was some dam good reading!
BUT...while I do agree that picture quality is fairly about the same for all HDMI cables..give or take
..they defenitly do not sound the same!.. I have tryed many,many different HDMI cables in my systems...that includes a 8k anthem pre/pro..and audioquest carbon HDMI cables are like night/day above anything out there
Cables do make a difference if you have invested a lot of money in your system..if you have a vizeo TV and a Bose sound system,then I'm sure you would not be able to tell a difference in cables..audioquest uses more silver as you go up in there line starting with cinnamon.. THERE IS a very noticeable difference in the sound quality compared to something like mono or monster!.. Best advise is to pick up a audioquest cable and compare the pic and most importantly the sound..I guarantee you will keep it !!!

Please see my response to your other attempt at justifying paying several hundred dollars for a $10 or $15 cable: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1266464/my-personal-hdmi-shoot-out/0_40#post_23001743

I truly enjoy a good response like this. But, not once has anyone explained how the bits are changed in a signal to improve the audio. And if that isn't enough the signal is encrypted, too. So does the cable decrypt the bits, analyze the audio, improve the audio, reencrypt the bits and then send the signal to the destination? Maybe the source analyzes the cable and then changes the audio based on the price of the cable? Maybe the sink knows the brand of cable and modifies its EDID based on whether the cable can handle even higher quality audio?

Until someone can provide a believable mechanism for the cable to improve audio or video then this is just snake oil. Remember this is a digital (1s and 0s) cable not analog. It makes a big difference in the discussion.

So could you please take a few moments and explain how this so-called improvement works?
Edited by alk3997 - 2/24/13 at 5:56pm

Hey Andy... I will jump in again with my "bit error rate / counter" suggestion... :-) you suggest that bits are bits and that the cable somehow knows what bits to change and what ones not so that things are better or worse depending on the cable smarts. BUT that statement can't really be taken as the "full length data story"... cause as you know the bits "start" and "stop" on past the cable. Without you knowing the full story on the errored bits AND how the receiving end handles the "restore" activity, I don't think you can truly say that a given cable can't sound better than another.... at least that's my view on data transport and recovery.

Say what?! I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

FWIW audio is transmitted on the same TMDS lines as video, and in a similar manner. There is no ECC on video or audio, just data island packets. IOW the only way to detect corrupt data is by the receipt of an invalid code, and even if one is detected, there is no way to correct it.
Edited by Colm - 2/24/13 at 9:32pm