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post #211 of 775
6/19/11 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by nipitz View Post

so there is no chance to make it work if I only have ps3 hooked to my tv by HDMI?

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post #212 of 775
6/19/11 at 1:06am
No you need more than that.
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post #213 of 775
6/19/11 at 1:12am
That's really sad, maybe in the near future there will be some kind of solution?
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post #214 of 775
6/19/11 at 1:17am
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Originally Posted by nipitz View Post

That's really sad, maybe in the near future there will be some kind of solution?

Yea it sucked but you can utilize a splitter (eBay $5) and just run 2 cables w/ the same signal and it'll work
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post #215 of 775
6/19/11 at 1:46am
Can you please give me a link of that splitter?
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post #216 of 775
6/19/11 at 10:51am
Somebody here wanted pictures...These are mine. without pro calibration(dont have 2hdmi),just showing off
watching at night from pc











Real PQ when watching tv with my eyes about 1.6x better
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post #217 of 775
6/19/11 at 1:37pm
^^^what are your settings?
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post #218 of 775
6/19/11 at 3:32pm
my settings almost default. Im using tv as pc monitor, so lil trick here.
Def. mode for pc is 1920x1080@60hz but in this mode you get nasty flicker and many disabled options, so I've changed freq to@50 in driver control panel on pc and no more flicker, all options enabled and Im having fun playing with them
I lost only 1 good option with this mind blowing trick --pixel shift.
Stupid tv decided that im not good for it anymore.What? Nazi tv! We want Pixel Shift for everybody! Yes we can! Yes we can!
Allright, back on track.
Cell Light---2-16 (eco sensor does his magic )
Contrast---95
Brightness---55-45
Sharpness---15-10
Color---50
Tint---50/50
Black Tone---off*
Dynamic contrast---off*
hdmi black---normal*
Gamma--- 0
Rgb Only---off
Flesh Tone---0
Motion Light---off
xvYcc---off
Color Tone---standard or warm1
Digital Noise---off
Mpeg Noise---off
* - if you change these you will loose details in dark areas
Im using Movie mode, sometimes Dynamic in bright light . Standard is dull - nothing can do about it.
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post #219 of 775
6/19/11 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by timekillapro View Post

my settings almost default. Im using tv as pc monitor, so lil trick here.
Def. mode for pc is 1920x1080@60hz but in this mode you get nasty flicker and many disabled options, so I've changed freq to@50 in driver control panel on pc and no more flicker, all options enabled and Im having fun playing with them
I lost only 1 good option with this mind blowing trick --pixel shift.
Stupid tv decided that im not good for it anymore.What? Nazi tv! We want Pixel Shift for everybody! Yes we can! Yes we can!
Allright, back on track.
Cell Light---2-16 (eco sensor does his magic )
Contrast---95
Brightness---55-45
Sharpness---15-10
Color---50
Tint---50/50
Black Tone---off*
Dynamic contrast---off*
hdmi black---normal*
Gamma--- 0
Rgb Only---off
Flesh Tone---0
Motion Light---off
xvYcc---off
Color Tone---standard or warm1
Digital Noise---off
Mpeg Noise---off
* - if you change these you will loose details in dark areas

do you see any glaring and crosstalk when you watch 3d movies on your pc or your bluray player?
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post #220 of 775
6/19/11 at 3:44pm
1 more thing about eco sensor. If you enable it and then change cell light in picture menu it will switch off and you will need enable it again
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post #221 of 775
6/19/11 at 3:45pm
I dont .... have glasses yet.
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post #222 of 775
6/19/11 at 8:36pm
hi i have recently bought this model tv ps51d550 and tried lot of times to get the service menu but to no avail...am i supposed to press mute-1-8-2 very quicky? and will there be any indication like service menu as soon as tv switches on if i get the sequence correctly or do i have to go to options and check if i got it correctly..please help thanks in advance
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post #223 of 775
6/19/11 at 8:37pm
and please it would help a lot if someone posted a screen shot of the service menu and stuff..
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post #224 of 775
6/19/11 at 9:47pm
Timekiller, are your pics from a non-hacked D550? They look great.
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post #225 of 775
6/19/11 at 10:51pm
hello im from aguascalientes mexico thank you for all the members of this page... well after 2 years whit my panasonic tc.p50x1 i took some photos to see the mll or the black level of the 2 sets my panasonic was calibrated whit the settings of d-nice and i use the settings for my new PN51D550 of the page of cnet using the settings of the pn59d8000,,,, at first when i buy this samsung i looked both tvs and i apreciate a worst black level on the samsung whit the out of the box setting, well i made some changes on the set and the black levels didnt changed but when i unblock the 10 point calibration and i made the changes on the tv woow the black levels was fairly better...
here some photos of my tc-p50x1 blacks whith the d-nice settings and look on the top of the screen and you can see the diferent on the black bars on the top whit the bizel of the tv they look more white this a iso800 pick
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/z...0/DSC03398.jpg
here a pick of my new pn51d550 whith the cnet settings of the pn59d8000 you cant see the difference this whit a iso1000 pick
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/z...0/DSC03400.jpg
and this is the same pn51d550 iso800 pick
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/z...0/DSC03401.jpg
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post #226 of 775
6/20/11 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post
I spent almost two hours with calibration. I wasn't sure if it worth it when I finished.


I spent a lot of time playing with the Custom Color Space setup and now I can't really notice any differences between Custom and Auto with my naked eyes on real-life image contents (sometimes it's hard to tell if it's Auto or Native if there is no either saturated green or red on the display...).

But the sensor said I adjusted this 6 points of the gamut with ~1 dE2000 precision, and my favorite "6-axial CMS fault test" says the processing is not perfect but acceptable (probably causes less errors than the differences which it is supposed to compensate...) and my Custom mode setup seems to cause slightly less artifacts. So, may be it wasn't superfluous to do.


The 10p gray balance was an easier job but it wasn't too fast either (many points...).

I am not sure if it worth it or not because I can still see some imperfections when I am staring at the 8-bit gray gradient test pattern.
10 points are simply not enough to make it "perfect" and the proper solution for this is an internal hardware LUT. Ohh... or a 3DLUT to take care about the Gamut as well.

However, these small imperfections can't ruin the overall high picture quality feeling when I watch a real movie or play a game.


I used the PC mode for games, because it's better than Game mode. It fully reproduces the RGB 4:4:4 input, not like any other modes and I didn't measure it but I think it's at least as fast as Game mode or even faster if there is a difference (It would be logical if it does even less processing -- no RGB->YCC and yet another YCC->RGB steps -- but who knows what really happens inside the "black box"...).

However, now that I spent so much time with calibrating the Movie mode, I gave it a chance again because I suspected (from the mouse movements on the Windows desktop during the calibration) that the last firmware update (1018) may reduced the input lag of the Movie mode. (It also made the OSD smoother!)

And I decided to use the Movie mode for games as well, because after all those fine tunings which I made today for the Movie mode, it's definitely more accurate than PC mode and the 4:2:2 chroma sub-sampling doesn't look that bad now. (I think I saw something else --which is gone now-- and I declared it it as chroma sub-sampling artifact because it could have been...)

And I don't play games like CS:S since 2006, so may be I am not the person to judge about it without objective measurements, but I think the input lag is acceptable with the Movie mode too. (But I have the 1018 firmware and I am sure it was slower at the first day I set it up, that's why I was a "PC mode fan".)


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I do not recommend to copy my settings (of course, you are free to do so...), I just place them here to see how does it differs from other's settings...

I used a 23.976Hz Full Range RGB signal with CinemaSmooth but CS doesn't seem to make any noticeable difference with 60Hz. (And I prefer the correct cadence over the slightly higher contrast ratio...)

First I reset my WB calibration settings in the SM to 128x8. (I couldn't touch the movie mode values however.)

Then I used the 8x8 (inverted) checkerboard to freshly run a HDMI calibration. (I played with it because I could improve the PC mode with this but the results of the automatic calibration looks fine with the normal YCC mode...)

And here are my user menu settings (I borrowed the template from the first post):

Mode:Movie
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Cell Light---20
Contrast---95
Brightness---54
Sharpness---18
Color---50
Tint---50/50
Black Tone---off
Dynamic---off
Gamma--- 0
Rgb Only---off
Flesh Tone---0
Motion Light---off
xvYcc---off
Color Tone---warm2
Digital Noise---off
Mpeg Noise---off
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Color Space
_______
Red_r-----50
Red_g-----42
Red_b-----31
_______
Green_r-----78
Green_g-----48
Green_b-----0
_______
Blue_r-----10
Blue_g-----11
Blue_b-----50
_______
Yellow_r-----48
Yellow_g-----50
Yellow_b-----43
_______
Cyan_r-----100
Cyan_g-----44
Cyan_b-----45
_______
Magenta_r-----49
Magenta_g-----48
Magenta_b-----50
________________
White Balance
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r_offset-----25
g_offset-----25
b_offset-----25
r_gain-----39
b_gain-----25
g_gain-----29
________________
10 Point Calibration
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r1--------(0
g1-------(0
b1-------(+1

r2-------(-1
g2-------(0
b2-------(+1

r3-------(-1
g3-------(0
b3-------(0

r4-------(-1
g4-------(0
b4-------(+2

r5-------(-1
g5-------(0
b5-------(-1

r6-------(-2
g6-------(0
b6-------(-1

r7-------(-2
g7-------(0
b7-------(+2

r8-------(0
g8-------(0
b8-------(+1

r9-------(+1
g9-------(0
b9-------(-2

r10-------(0 (-> Why the hell would anybody change this if he used the Gains earlier?)
g10-------(0
b10-------(0

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These are for 2D, I didn't calibrated the 3D mode yet. But that mode doesn't have 10p gray scale and I guess I could start from these Color Space values there. But it's not that easy to place an operating glass between the panel and the sensor and I don't have any 3D movies at hand which I didn't watch already (before the renaming).


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I think I would be able to make it clear for you how the HDMI ports behave now (your crossmatch issue) but not in English.
Can you elaborate here, did you accidently transpose the numbers, or the headings, or both. Thanks
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post #227 of 775
6/20/11 at 6:50pm
I've tried D7000 selected from service menu. It works, and lets me adjust settings to achieve great results.. but... I can't really live with hdmi issue.. Has anyone tried other models that would maybe have similar hdmi setups and still have advanced color adjustment? Also no one has mentioned this but you loose on panel power, volume etc.. remote control only..

Trent
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post #228 of 775
6/20/11 at 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by trent222 View Post

I've tried D7000 selected from service menu. It works, and lets me adjust settings to achieve great results.. but... I can't really live with hdmi issue.. Has anyone tried other models that would maybe have similar hdmi setups and still have advanced color adjustment? Also no one has mentioned this but you loose on panel power, volume etc.. remote control only..

Trent

no. that's the trade off.

there's really nothing to live with. if you set up the hdmi ports correctly. they all work fine. i have access to all ports and it works great.

you just have to figure out your setup and well... set it up. then it's good. you only have to figure it out once. and then your off to the races.
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post #229 of 775
6/21/11 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by harsha.chelikani View Post
hi i have recently bought this model tv ps51d550 and tried lot of times to get the service menu but to no avail...am i supposed to press mute-1-8-2 very quicky? and will there be any indication like service menu as soon as tv switches on if i get the sequence correctly or do i have to go to options and check if i got it correctly..please help thanks in advance
yes... Mute - 1 - 8 - 2 - Power" Fast.. then you will see the service menu
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post #230 of 775
6/21/11 at 12:53pm
hey just blazed through this entire thread, very impressive find exgo!! yeah i was looking to buy the 43 d490 (as at that size the 720p doesn't hurt as much..) but since 1080p 3D seems to be a must(only for 3d blurays, which there aren't that much i need yet, i will probly stick to psn video store and rent most 3d content which won't be 1080p) so looking at that but also every time i saw the d490 at BB the color was blown out(mostly too red) and you can see the pixels especially on text. so that's when i started seeing what my options are, looking around i saw that d550 looked pretty awesome for the price and finding this thread just finally locked it in for me!!

hopefully i will pick up this set today or within the next few days at fry's with online price match. I don't have any hdmi sources besides ps3 and was gonna pick up a cheap hdmi splitter. since the split is just creating a 2nd signal for a dummy will i have any trouble? it seems there are issues with non-powered splitters but maybe for this purpose it won't matter.

once i get my tv i will touch up the regular tv settings the best i can then take some pics then once i get my splitter i'll do the hack and post the comparisons, thanks again for an awesome exploit!
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post #231 of 775
6/21/11 at 2:56pm
could someone tell me the correct 51 to pick theres a few i have the 51D550 thanks
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post #232 of 775
6/21/11 at 3:30pm
on another note i don`t see a d7000 just 4 different 51D`s about 4 of these with different letters after 51 mine i think was 51DFHcD dumb me i paniced but everything seems fine
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post #233 of 775
6/21/11 at 5:17pm
just realized i was under type instead of model found d7000
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post #234 of 775
6/21/11 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by harsha.chelikani View Post

hi i have recently bought this model tv ps51d550 and tried lot of times to get the service menu but to no avail...am i supposed to press mute-1-8-2 very quicky? and will there be any indication like service menu as soon as tv switches on if i get the sequence correctly or do i have to go to options and check if i got it correctly..please help thanks in advance

Hello, like myself you have a Euro/Rest of World TV set. That's what the 'PS' in PS51D550 means, or so I gather. The North American Models are "PN'XXD550.

To get into the service menu for Euro Tvs make sure the TV is in standby.
Then press INFO - MENU - MUTE - POWER
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post #235 of 775
6/22/11 at 5:35am
could someone with a PN51D550C1F version n104 check what type panel they have in the service menu and post it i might have changed mine right now i have it on 51DFHcD thanks
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post #236 of 775
6/22/11 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by escarco View Post

could someone with a PN51D550C1F version n104 check what type panel they have in the service menu and post it i might have changed mine right now i have it on 51DFHcD thanks

thats right... i did that myself the first time.. i had to go look at my othe one to see if that was right..
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post #237 of 775
6/22/11 at 7:44am
thanks millertime i guess i got a little over anxious and panicked thanks again
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post #238 of 775
6/23/11 at 6:36am
no problem...
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post #239 of 775
6/23/11 at 8:34pm
eXgo,

Have you ever tried some of the calibration settings from the D7000,8000 threads. How do they work?

Thanks
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post #240 of 775
6/23/11 at 8:55pm
I've used the setting from the d7000-8000 the one that is the average between the two and it looks pretty good
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