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post #481 of 774
11/8/11 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by JustinHEMI05 View Post

OK I tried this hack, and it seems to work fine as far as the actual hack goes, but I can't seem to figure out my HDMI ports.

Basically, I run everything to my receiver and one HDMI cable from receiver to the TV. However, I know that we have to occupy an "idle" port, so I followed what one user did early in the thread...,

I bough a 1 into 2 HDMI splitter and connected this to my DVR. I have one HDMI output going to the receiver and the other to HDMI PORT 2 on the TV.

Then, I have the receiver going to HDMI PORT 4 on the TV.

This works fine when I am watching the DVR, but when I switch to Blu Ray..., which goes through the receiver, it isn't detected by the TV at HDMI port 4. This is with the DVR OFF.

So, I tried turning the DVR on to see if it had to be on to trigger the "idle" port, but it simply started displaying on the screen even though it is going to HDMI Port 2 and the TV is selected to HDMI port 4.


I hope you followed all of that.

Any suggestions?


Problem solved! I just put the splitter on the outlet of the receiver with the two splitter outs to the tv. Works fine. Can't believe I didn't think of it before LOL.
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post #482 of 774
11/8/11 at 1:54pm
Has anyone actually done a test before and after the hack? Does the hack really give you better blacks and color? I have looked at both visually but never an actual calibration of both to check the results?
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post #483 of 774
11/8/11 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by JustinHEMI05 View Post

Problem solved! I just put the splitter on the outlet of the receiver with the two splitter outs to the tv. Works fine. Can't believe I didn't think of it before LOL.

What do you think of your set after the hack??
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post #484 of 774
11/8/11 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by volblood View Post

Has anyone actually done a test before and after the hack? Does the hack really give you better blacks and color? I have looked at both visually but never an actual calibration of both to check the results?

Black level remains the same bacause:
- they are practically equal already
- we hack the main-board software which shouldn't affect the panel drivin scheme at all (may be it technically could but it seems it's not the case)

Yes, the hacked D550 is virtually a D6500 when when it comes to calibration.
I don't say you are better with copied settings but if you really calibrate it with a good sensor and passion...
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post #485 of 774
11/8/11 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by volblood View Post

Has anyone actually done a test before and after the hack? Does the hack really give you better blacks and color? I have looked at both visually but never an actual calibration of both to check the results?

The extra adjustments made a marked improvement. I came to this TV from a 2009 Panny and at first, I was quite disappointed..., felt like a step down. Now, I'm happy. Although..., I might have seen one of these "brightness pops" people talk about.

If it continues or gets worse, I'll just consider this TV a stop gap until the 2012 Pannys come out. My Panny was 54 and I wanted 64-65 which is why I picked up this TV. It is a nice set, and it is much nicer having the additional tweakability. I think it will serve me well for a few years so long as these "brightness pops" don't get annoying. Only time will tell though.

Justin
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post #486 of 774
11/8/11 at 4:56pm
The floating black problem already started to annoy me that much that I am waiting for the 2012 Pana linup as a messiash.

I think I will try to collect as many profs as I can, send a long letter to Samsung and hope they will either tell me the fix is on it's way or I don't know...
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post #487 of 774
11/9/11 at 5:44am
This is very disturbing news if it is coming from Janos

2 more weeks to decide if I want to keep/return my PN59D550...

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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post

The floating black problem already started to annoy me that much that I am waiting for the 2012 Pana linup as a messiash.

I think I will try to collect as many profs as I can, send a long letter to Samsung and hope they will either tell me the fix is on it's way or I don't know...
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post #488 of 774
11/9/11 at 6:27am
It's more disturbing since the last update which tried to fix the floating gamma.
I was very patient but now I think the the software programmers did what they could and there is no solution.
It looks like Panasonic solved the problems about their 2011 models.
I wont change it now, but rumors say 2012 will be a big step for Panasonic, so I hope they will come out with an affordable display which is good enough to make me think I firmly want to change. - I am still not sure if I would be distinctly better with a Pana 2011 equivalent.
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post #489 of 774
11/9/11 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post

It's more disturbing since the last update which tried to fix the floating gamma.
I was very patient but now I think the the software programmers did what they could and there is no solution.
It looks like Panasonic solved the problems about their 2011 models.
I wont change it now, but rumors say 2012 will be a big step for Panasonic, so I hope they will come out with an affordable display which is good enough to make me think I firmly want to change. - I am still not sure if I would be distinctly better with a Pana 2011 equivalent.



When do the panny 2012 models are going to hit the stores? My kids without TV for the next 3-4 months...
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post #490 of 774
11/9/11 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by clark17 View Post

When do the panny 2012 models are going to hit the stores? My kids without TV for the next 3-4 months...

I would count about 6 moths until:
- shops have actual stock and their prices stabilize (I don't know about you, but starting prices are usually crazy in the first few weeks in my country).
- the first trustworthy reviews come out ; and in my case: until somebody else buys one of them in my region and let me calibrate and test it personally.

When I decided to by my first PDP [this one], reviews worth much less than personal experience, this is why I skipped the Pana G20, waited for the 2011 models and eventually chose this TV. Panasonic fixed the "fluctuating brightness" some months later, so this seemed like the good choice when both of them had the same issues and I simply had to choose between lower black level and better color accuracy. I would probably chose the G30 today, but I know you don't have a G30 [GT30 without 3D] in the US and the GT30 is positioned significantly higher than these D550 TVs, so it's still a hard choice for you.

This is why I hope Panasonic will come out with something seriously good and the choice will be easy. Of course, if Samsung also makes miracles (shoots even higher than Panasonic) then it's even better. But somehow I doubt that. This year was that "big step" for Samsung which doesn't happen in every years and Panasonic was a bit lazy this year, so I think 2012 will be ruled by Panasonic (again).

So, to sum it up: there is no absolutely right choice. I recommended the Samsung PDPs in the first months, I started to get confused when Panasonic issued the fixes and I would recommend the Panasonics today because I lost the hope regarding a Samsung fix. My opinion constantly changed because the circumstances changed.


A good advice: If you don't see the problems then do not search for them intentionally! It will bother you much more than it would if you only catch them from time-to-time randomly (without counting it as an actual design flaw...).
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post #491 of 774
11/9/11 at 8:27am
Well said Janos...

My only option is Panny 50ST30, which I don't think you are a big fun off... color inacuracy, dithering and motion problems (if I'm not mistaken)... however pop-free and better blacks... Also I would lose 9" in size, size does matter...LOL..

Also I think you have nailed, most of us lurking around web... we are only handful people aware of this problem. Now I develop pop-sickness... and instead of enjoying the playing content I'm looking for flunctuating brightness and floating blacks... WHICH I HATE IT SO MUCH and I cannot stop. I guess it got to my head... ... Hence buying 50ST30 which is not perfect, might help it, but then again I might notice Panny's problems, and be mad at my self for returning Sammy and losing 9" of screen glory.

I'm flip flopping every day.. and I guess it won't end until the 30 days return policy is over...

I'm trying to tell my self "IT IS ONLY $1K FREAKING TV... GET A LIFE LOSER... !!!!... "... , but somehow doesn't work...

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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post

I would count about 6 moths until:
- shops have actual stock and their prices stabilize (I don't know about you, but starting prices are usually crazy in the first few weeks in my country).
- the first trustworthy reviews come out ; and in my case: until somebody else buys one of them in my region and let me calibrate and test it personally.

When I decided to by my first PDP [this one], reviews worth much less than personal experience, this is why I skipped the Pana G20, waited for the 2011 models and eventually chose this TV. Panasonic fixed the "fluctuating brightness" some months later, so this seemed like the good choice when both of them had the same issues and I simply had to choose between lower black level and better color accuracy. I would probably chose the G30 today, but I know you don't have a G30 [GT30 without 3D] in the US and the GT30 is positioned significantly higher than these D550 TVs, so it's still a hard choice for you.

This is why I hope Panasonic will come out with something seriously good and the choice will be easy. Of course, if Samsung also makes miracles (shoots even higher than Panasonic) then it's even better. But somehow I doubt that. This year was that "big step" for Samsung which doesn't happen in every years and Panasonic was a bit lazy this year, so I think 2012 will be ruled by Panasonic (again).

So, to sum it up: there is no absolutely right choice. I recommended the Samsung PDPs in the first months, I started to get confused when Panasonic issued the fixes and I would recommend the Panasonics today because I lost the hope regarding a Samsung fix. My opinion constantly changed because the circumstances changed.


A good advice: If you don't see the problems then do not search for them intentionally! It will bother you much more than it would if you only catch them from time-to-time randomly (without counting it as an actual design flaw...).
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post #492 of 774
11/9/11 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by clark17 View Post

My only option is Panny 50ST30, which I don't think you are a big fun off... color inacuracy, dithering and motion problems (if I'm not mistaken)... however pop-free and better blacks... Also I would lose 9" in size, size does matter...LOL..

You would probably notice the higher contrast (lower black) easier than those other things (colors, dithering, etc).
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post #493 of 774
11/9/11 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post

You would probably notice the higher contrast (lower black) easier than those other things (colors, dithering, etc).

So Janos, please correct me... are you saying you would keep Sammy because problems found with xxST30 might be worst? Unless I would be willing to step up for xxGT30 model I should keep D550?
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post #494 of 774
11/9/11 at 5:18pm
anyone notice the sound goes to **** when you do the service menu hack? it sounds all tinny.
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post #495 of 774
11/9/11 at 5:40pm
yeah i thought i was the only 1 who noticed after the hack besides the hdmi ports being messed up so was the sound from the tv i was goint to unhack it to see if it was messed up becuz of the hack but well after configuring the tv i didnt want to do it over lolz but yeah im with u it sounds lower but its okay still i guess
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post #496 of 774
11/9/11 at 6:22pm
also i have a ps3 and xbox 360 which i want to be able to have connected and available at all times, i have the ps3 hooked up to port 1. the xbox 360 hooked up to port 4. and a 3rd hdmi device hooked up to port 3. i can access the ps3 and the xbox 360. port 3 is the only one that isnt showing up. this is the way to do it.
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post #497 of 774
11/10/11 at 2:41am
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Originally Posted by clark17 View Post

So Janos, please correct me... are you saying you would keep Sammy because problems found with xxST30 might be worst? Unless I would be willing to step up for xxGT30 model I should keep D550?

No, I tried to say that you would probably notice the strenghts of the ST30 easier than it's weaknesses.

Can't you test the ST30 somewhere?
Just check it in Cinema profile if you see something strange on dynamic contents (fuzziness, green trails, etc) and if you tolerate the tonal response (relatively bright shadows) or not.
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post #498 of 774
11/10/11 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by janos666 View Post

No, I tried to say that you would probably notice the strenghts of the ST30 easier than it's weaknesses.

Can't you test the ST30 somewhere?
Just check it in Cinema profile if you see something strange on dynamic contents (fuzziness, green trails, etc) and if you tolerate the tonal response (relatively bright shadows) or not.

Janos,

Thank you, yes I will test it at the local store (even out of couriosity).

Last night I was testing a little bit and I was able to reproduce the issue with floating black (me thinks) right at the beginning of The Dark Knight. With Cinemamotion it was pretty much gone. ALso I spent an hour or so, jumping between HDTV OTA channels and I couldn't spot anything. This TV still gives me a "WOW" factor everytime I watch on it. The size is fantastic, the colors wonderful, good motion, no IR, no ghotsting... and a good 3D performer. I might even try 10pt hack with recommended settings. Where I'm going with this, no TV is perfect (like you said) and each has issues and we shouldn't be looking hard for them. I bet you if I haven't came across this thread I wouldn't even notice it, because mainly I watch content with Cinemamotion enabled and my kids watch some HTDT cartoons and play wii on the weekends. My projector in the basement serves me as a primary display. So unless I trip over something very bothersome in the next 2 weeks, I'll keep my TV. I think it is still a very good TV for my needs even with its shortcomings... Weird thing is with my Samsugn PN51D440 (720p 2011) plasma which I had for 5 weeks (prior my kids cracked the screen with his toy) I've never notice any brightness fluctuations nor floating blacks..

However I do understand why Sammy nation (including myslef) is so angry at Samsung and their "no action" / "go away" attitude... In my books they should aknowledge the problem and release official statment (cough cough)
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post #499 of 774
11/10/11 at 11:35am
I'm actually with Clark17 on that one. I love my Sammsung PN51D550. Im coming from a Insignia 32' LCD and despite the "Brightness flucs" on the Samsung i still think its a superior picture. I had for a very short time the P50ST30 before I got the Samsung and returned it because several attempts to fix the "Brightness flucs" didn't work even after the a board replacement and to me was more obvious.

This is going to sound very strange to all of you but I prefer accurate colors and better motion performance than deeper blacks (Because I had to choose of course) and my eyes felt that the D550 had better color accuracy and motion performance than the ST30. For some reason i also felt that the D50 had more of a "Looking through a glass" in picture than the Panny.
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post #500 of 774
11/10/11 at 11:43am
Did anyone of you experienced the "double image" / "frame doubling" problem during playing in 30fps console games? I have created a thread http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1596809 at Beyond3D with a thorough description of the problem hoping to find a technical explanation for this issue.

Do you think that the D7000 hack may change anything in the motion handling area? Maybe somebody already verified that with his/her game console?

Did anyone of you who decided to go with the newest firmware (T-MST4DEUC-1026.0 for the european PS51D550) verify that the update improves motion handling?

Knowing that this firmware affects the TV's image quality and that there is no way back, I am having a hard time deciding whether it is worth checking out.
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post #501 of 774
11/10/11 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisT75 View Post

Did anyone of you experienced the "double image" / "frame doubling" problem during playing in 30fps console games? I have created a thread http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1596809 at Beyond3D with a thorough description of the problem hoping to find a technical explanation for this issue.

Do you think that the D7000 hack may change anything in the motion handling area? Maybe somebody already verified that with his/her game console?

Did anyone of you who decided to go with the newest firmware (T-MST4DEUC-1026.0 for the european PS51D550) verify that the update improves motion handling?

Knowing that this firmware affects the TV's image quality and that there is no way back, I am having a hard time deciding whether it is worth checking out.

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I played COD Black Ops and Dance Central(Dont Laugh) and havent noticed it at all. I have used both game mode and PC mode w/o the effects you are describing. I have the NA version of the PN51D550. I am very curious if anyone else has. I have yet to hear any reports on any of the D550 threads.
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post #502 of 774
11/10/11 at 12:38pm
adubrocq, COD Black Ops apparently runs at 60fps on X360 and PS3 (at least in single mode). Even if Dance Central runs at 30fps, it is also not the type of game, in which you could experience this effect (I understand that apart from some dancers, there is no other movement in the background).

Quoting myself from the Beyond 3d thread:

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The problem is easy to observe in the first and third person perspective games while looking around or left and right. All moving vertical contours / edges become doubled, which makes the whole background very difficult to observe. The doubled image has the same colour as the original, but seems more or less brighter. While moving, you can see two poles, trees, construction parts, characters, etc. Some people seem to be very insensitive to this problem. On the other hand, I read about others getting headaches and nausea. I personally experience it in some 2D like games with horizontal panning like Little Big Planet, Trine, Underground Garden.
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Check out the following links to learn more:

Panasonic G10 Motion handling Problem Video 1 - YouTube (the effect seems stronger than in real life probably due to filming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPBIETZLTNQ

Samsung plasma D550 owner's thread with X360 Gears of War screenshots (in Polish, but screenshots speak for themselves and they are the closest to what I personally percieve)
http://www.hdtv.com.pl/forum/676046-post156.html

AVSForum thread: 30fps gaming at 60hz and the effects of frame doubling?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1107325

AVForum thread: Panasonic 50 and 65inch VT20 pricing/reviews/owners thread (see camera panning)
http://www.avforums.com/forums/12206545-post996.html
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post #503 of 774
11/11/11 at 5:01am
Hi,

I recently(infact yesterday) got this PS51D550 model. I Must the PQ is Surprisingly gr8. I had been following this blog for quite some time and came across the 10 point caliberation trick. I tried to do the same on my set as well but each time i repeat the set of combination the TV just opens up in a normal mode.

The advanced system menu for changing the Model does not comes up. I really want to try the same here, it would be gr8 if someone would guide me. I guess may be the firmware is country specific. I am based out of India, any guidance or help would be gr8ly appreciated.

Thanx in advance......!!!

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post #504 of 774
11/11/11 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by ChrisT75 View Post

adubrocq, COD Black Ops apparently runs at 60fps on X360 and PS3 (at least in single mode). Even if Dance Central runs at 30fps, it is also not the type of game, in which you could experience this effect (I understand that apart from some dancers, there is no other movement in the background).

Quoting myself from the Beyond 3d thread:

"
The problem is easy to observe in the first and third person perspective games while looking around or left and right. All moving vertical contours / edges become doubled, which makes the whole background very difficult to observe. The doubled image has the same colour as the original, but seems more or less brighter. While moving, you can see two poles, trees, construction parts, characters, etc. Some people seem to be very insensitive to this problem. On the other hand, I read about others getting headaches and nausea. I personally experience it in some 2D like games with horizontal panning like Little Big Planet, Trine, Underground Garden.
"

Check out the following links to learn more:

Panasonic G10 Motion handling Problem Video 1 - YouTube (the effect seems stronger than in real life probably due to filming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPBIETZLTNQ

Samsung plasma D550 owner's thread with X360 Gears of War screenshots (in Polish, but screenshots speak for themselves and they are the closest to what I personally percieve)
http://www.hdtv.com.pl/forum/676046-post156.html

AVSForum thread: 30fps gaming at 60hz and the effects of frame doubling?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1107325

AVForum thread: Panasonic 50 and 65inch VT20 pricing/reviews/owners thread (see camera panning)
http://www.avforums.com/forums/12206545-post996.html

I just popped in Gears of War and I do get the same results you are experiencing as well but only when in game mode. I personally like Movie mode best with my XBOX 360 set to RGB. While using those settings i do not have the your conditions at all .
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post #505 of 774
11/11/11 at 8:26am
I know here in Canada if Future Shop can't fix your TV and they no longer have it or replacements of the same TV don't work they will replace it with the newest model. I got a 4yr warranty with mine so if no fixes come out then a brand new tv it will be.

I do love my tv though. the picture is amazing to me. Ya I seen brightness pops at times but not very often. Hockey is amazing, movies are as well. I'm happy overall. If the brightness pops don't get a fix and the 2012 models are better than the 2011 models then I'll let them try and fix it and end up with a 2012 model when they can't fix it.
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post #506 of 774
11/12/11 at 7:30am
Somehow I changed my type field on the options in the service menu...can someone tell me what the factory setting for the pn59d550 would be?
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post #507 of 774
11/13/11 at 7:25am
Hi,

How the Image quality of this TV (hacked) is compare to LNxxxD6050.
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post #508 of 774
11/14/11 at 1:27am
Is there anyone here from NZ/Aus that can confirm this is doable on our sets?

I tried the hack but didn't get any other menu options. All it did was..nothing.
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post #509 of 774
11/14/11 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by kopkiwi View Post

Is there anyone here from NZ/Aus that can confirm this is doable on our sets?

I tried the hack but didn't get any other menu options. All it did was..nothing.


Same with me here in India also.
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post #510 of 774
11/15/11 at 12:01am
Can you only enter colour space settings if you do the hack ?
The hack does not work with my model.

The PS51D550C1RXXA.
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