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post #661 of 776
Odd, the pattern should have worked, (did for me!)
as long as your picture looks normal now thats all that counts
post #662 of 776
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Originally Posted by mick50008 View Post

well after using the hack for about the last 2 months , and my main priority being gaming on the 360 i have found a way to get a almost identical picture to what im getting with the hack, except this way the picture is slightly better!! ok.. you need to have the xbox connected to hdmi/dvi port 1. then you need to rename the connection to pc by using your remote and hitting source, then tools, then edit name. rename it to pc. on your xbox select enhanced colour space.. my settings on the tv are..

(in pc mode)
picture mode: standard ("entertain" is good aswell, slightly more dynamic pic)
cell light: 20
contrast: 96
brightness: 67
sharpness: 100.. its totally different when in pc mode. i see no jagged edges etc. i have it on 20 for tv, etc.
screen adjustment: 16:9 .. screen fit not a option.
gamma: 0
white balance: r offset 24, g offset 27, b offset 24.. r gain 22, g gain 24, b gain 21
warm 2
hdmi black level normal.

if you got a xbox try it out. awesome pic. dont give me sh!t about the sharpness on a 100 until you try it either lol. i wouldn't have believed it either, but im tellin you no jaggies in pc mode.

also for standard tv (foxtel) im using janos666 settings from page 10, and WOW!. awesome.

Ok, so I was using your set up before and it looked great. THEN, I activated the hack and am trying to set up the gaming part just for my xbox while still using the hacked settings for the USB HDD media player and the TV (I don't even have a cable box so it looks like crap either way)

I have a few questions:
Figuring in the cross-input situ, my xbox is said to be in HDMI Port 3. I changed it to PC AND enabled Game mode....is that ok? Does it HAVE to be in HDMI/DVI 1? Is it ok to enable Game mode AND name the input PC?

Is there any difference in your unique settings with the hack on and off?

EDIT: Also, for enhanced color space on 360, can you be more specific? What exactly should my xbox 360 display settings be?
post #663 of 776
I could use some help calibrating my PN64D550!


Using a Panasonic Blu-Ray player, the HD AVS709 disc, an i1Display LT and the CHCFR software, I get terrible grey scale readings using the 2 Pt white balance settings. I need to turn Red gain and offset to 50, the highest settings, and Blue gain and offset to 39 and 30 to get the best measured red results in greyscale. Blue and Green are right at 100%. but Red is no better than 90% on any greyscale % step. I left Green gain and offset untouched at 25 per the "Dummy" instructions. Then I tried lowering the Greens and that brought the Reds into line, but I lost Brightness levels. So I reset the Greens to 25.

With these extreme red settings, watching content the PQ is too red with skin tones and solid blacks showing a definite red tinge. I tried lowering contrast which did raise Red readings per the instructions but at the expense of the overall PQ, so I returned to the original contrast setting.

Based on the results, I must 1) have a bad meter (brought new and factory sealed but the "no longer manufactured" date is May 2011 and these meters are said to need periodic re-calibration usually annually) or 2) I'm using the meter wrong. The meter does adheres to the screen on its own, because when hanging it with the weight, it flushes to the screen and creates a suction without any pressure applied. This may have an adverse effect but the instructions indicated to let the meter adhere. I calibrated the meter per the instructions at the beginning of the session. I have the display type set to Plasma vs. LCD. I believe I am following the instructions properly, although I have not advanced beyond Part 7: How does your greyscale look now?

I am doubtful that going to the 10 Pt will overcome this problem if the 2 Pt is so far out of whack.

As noted before, the PQ looks excellent (although a tad cool) just using the HD AVS 709 disc to calibrate with the user menu controls and leaving all white balance settings at the default of 25.

Settings are Warm2, everything off, etc., all the suggested base settings prior to a calibration with a meter and software.

Can anyone offer any observations based on your experience with the meter, software, setup and instructions? It seems most are able to make everything work to your satisfaction.

Thanks for any help you can offer.
post #664 of 776
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Originally Posted by Dyelon View Post

Ok, so I was using your set up before and it looked great. THEN, I activated the hack and am trying to set up the gaming part just for my xbox while still using the hacked settings for the USB HDD media player and the TV (I don't even have a cable box so it looks like crap either way)

I have a few questions:
Figuring in the cross-input situ, my xbox is said to be in HDMI Port 3. I changed it to PC AND enabled Game mode....is that ok? Does it HAVE to be in HDMI/DVI 1? Is it ok to enable Game mode AND name the input PC?

Is there any difference in your unique settings with the hack on and off?

EDIT: Also, for enhanced color space on 360, can you be more specific? What exactly should my xbox 360 display settings be?

yeah, hdmi 3 is the right port as they all get messed up with the hack, aslong as your idle port is port 1 then port 3 is the right port, it should flicker for a second when you go in and out of pc mode. If you have 360 set to expanded then you should have the hdmi black level set to normal on the tv. and the 360 set to output source. its all to do with whiter than white, blacker than black, passing 16-235 or 0-255, main thing is that the tv and 360 match. As far as game mode im pretty sure once you enable pc as the source game mode isn't available? not positive, but yeah, i think game mode tries to do what pc mode does but less effectively. When your in pc mode try those exact settings but set the p.mode to entertain, its only a slight difference, but i reckon it looks pretty good.. I dont know what i prefer lol. entertain or standard, its a tough choice haha.

EDIT: oh, and as far as any difference with or without the hack , well there is no difference with the 360 picture because you can rename to source and set it the same without the hack, but for the foxtel pic it makes a massive difference with janos's settings. I have been tempted to just go back to stock because i wouldn't mind being able to download some 3d movies and just chuck them on usb but obviously cant, and the sound is a tad tinnier with the hack, but i like my football and am looking forward to the season starting and the picture quality is a hell of a lot better.
post #665 of 776
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Originally Posted by chambery View Post

No, you don't have to access the service menu to have a great picture.

These displays exhibit excellent PQ straight from the factory.

Most would tell you to use Movie mode, Contrast around 90, Screen Fit, Warm 1 or Warm 2 depending on your preference, turn off the automatic processing stuff, etc. as a starting point. You'll find these suggestions throughout this thread.

Then basic adjustments through the user menu can improve the picture quite a bit. Get an AVIA, DVE, or Disney WOW disc from Amazon and make these user menu adjustments yourself. Copy your final user menu settings to each input source that you have (DVD, DVR/Receiver, XBox, etc.) Then enjoy!

Going into the service menu is not difficult, but can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing or don't follow directions exactly. The benefits of going into the service menu are likely to be minimal unless you are going to truly calibrate the display with the proper test equipment and software.

Some report the 10 point settings provided in this thread and elsewhere improve PQ, some report no improvement, others don't like the results. YMMV. The thinking here is that this occurs because the settings do not carry over well from one display to another.

I tried all that I could find and none made my display look better than my user menu adjustments using the AVIA disc.

Get one of the discs mentioned above, following the easily understood adjustment methods and be happy that you have a good display with a great PQ for the money.

Enjoy

This is exactly what I did and I'm perfectly happy with my picture.
Can't really see how it can improve my current picture?
It's also the famous:
"If it ain't broke, don't monkey with it."
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
or
"If it Ain't Broke...Break It!"

If I'm correct, the main advantage of the 7000 & 8000 is the ability to look good in brightly lit rooms.
I don't have that problem, as my room is dark, windows blacked out.
Now this hack may work well if you need better settings, darker blacks because of being in a well lite room... so I'm not going to knock it either.
post #666 of 776
Can the D450 be unlocked also?
post #667 of 776
Quote:
Originally Posted by mick50008 View Post

yeah, hdmi 3 is the right port as they all get messed up with the hack, aslong as your idle port is port 1 then port 3 is the right port, it should flicker for a second when you go in and out of pc mode. If you have 360 set to expanded then you should have the hdmi black level set to normal on the tv. and the 360 set to output source. its all to do with whiter than white, blacker than black, passing 16-235 or 0-255, main thing is that the tv and 360 match. As far as game mode im pretty sure once you enable pc as the source game mode isn't available? not positive, but yeah, i think game mode tries to do what pc mode does but less effectively. When your in pc mode try those exact settings but set the p.mode to entertain, its only a slight difference, but i reckon it looks pretty good.. I dont know what i prefer lol. entertain or standard, its a tough choice haha.

EDIT: oh, and as far as any difference with or without the hack , well there is no difference with the 360 picture because you can rename to source and set it the same without the hack, but for the foxtel pic it makes a massive difference with janos's settings. I have been tempted to just go back to stock because i wouldn't mind being able to download some 3d movies and just chuck them on usb but obviously cant, and the sound is a tad tinnier with the hack, but i like my football and am looking forward to the season starting and the picture quality is a hell of a lot better.

Okay, gotcha.....yeah I reverted back to stock because the cross matching was driving me up a wall, and honestly I did not see much of a difference with the added in 10pt settings....to be frank overall I have not really been WOWed by this TV as of yet....

But yes, I'm using your settings for my gaming, and it looks great! Thanks man...they are unique settings that I probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere else but they're the bomb!

Do you think you could help me with another issue, mick? It seems you know how to stream 3D movies to the D550 through USB....I've been streaming shows and movies through my external HDD and I've been loving it! But I was wondering, could you tell me the BEST procedure for getting 3D movies on there? What types of files to look for on the net (file extension), converters (programs), cheap glasses.....etc.....I'd REALLY appreciate it!

Good to know there's other video game nerds like me with this TV =D I had to switch to this from the SONY Google TV because it had input lag of 120ms....LAME!!!
post #668 of 776
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Originally Posted by Dyelon View Post

Okay, gotcha.....yeah I reverted back to stock because the cross matching was driving me up a wall, and honestly I did not see much of a difference with the added in 10pt settings....to be frank overall I have not really been WOWed by this TV as of yet....

But yes, I'm using your settings for my gaming, and it looks great! Thanks man...they are unique settings that I probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere else but they're the bomb!

Do you think you could help me with another issue, mick? It seems you know how to stream 3D movies to the D550 through USB....I've been streaming shows and movies through my external HDD and I've been loving it! But I was wondering, could you tell me the BEST procedure for getting 3D movies on there? What types of files to look for on the net (file extension), converters (programs), cheap glasses.....etc.....I'd REALLY appreciate it! Good to know there's other video game nerds like me with this TV =D I had to switch to this from the SONY Google TV because it had input lag of 120ms....LAME!!!

yeah man, just go to kickasstorrents, not sure if im allowed to link that but yeah, and search for "sbs" , then click on movies and it will come up with quite a few, just did a quick search on there and it came up with 187 3d movies. Its a good site cos you can read the comments and sh!t before you download them to make sure your not downloading a virus or sumpthn. thats all you need to do, no conversions or nothing, just plug it in and turn on 3d on the tv. the 3d movies are usually quite big, (around 8 gig) the better quality ones , the bigger the size generally.
post #669 of 776
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Originally Posted by mick50008 View Post

yeah man, just go to kickasstorrents, not sure if im allowed to link that but yeah, and search for "sbs" , then click on movies and it will come up with quite a few, just did a quick search on there and it came up with 187 3d movies. Its a good site cos you can read the comments and sh!t before you download them to make sure your not downloading a virus or sumpthn. thats all you need to do, no conversions or nothing, just plug it in and turn on 3d on the tv. the 3d movies are usually quite big, (around 8 gig) the better quality ones , the bigger the size generally.

Wow dude, thanks! I gotta order some glasses off amazon ASAP!!!

Appreciate the help....seriously

EDIT: What's the consensus on what type of 3d glasses work with the TV? Battery powered? Rechargeable? no power? What brands?

EDIT 2: Also, mick....do you find you get better quality streaming movies from your PC or via the USB HDD? Btw, do you think using the "gaming" settings you posted (sharpness 100 etc.) are good for the PC display? I've been using it as such and it looks pretty good haha
post #670 of 776
good place to get glasses eBay, crazy cheap and from Samsung too. like 15$ a pair.

Also those SBS files good because there free but its only half high def (same 3d as whats on a LG passive tv) If you want FULL HD 3D, 3d ISO's or the physical blu ray is the only way to go unless you got a decent comp with the 3d processors
post #671 of 776
i would personally prefer to use usb for movies, but with the hack i cant so i generally put them on usb and watch them through ps3 or xbox, i was using the pc but had some image retention from the borders that the pc has so scrapped that idea pretty fast. Did just watch a movie through pc on the tv with those same settings and it looked good tho. just gotta remember to watch it in full screen or the borders from the media player will burn in. just had a look at those iso files on kickass and they are massive files lol, like 50 gig, i assume you gotta burn them to disc after downloading obviously? nice to know that they are available tho. as far as glasses go, i think shutter glasses are the ones you want? i got a pair of the shutter glasses chucked in when i bought the tv and they work well. not sure if their is something better out there or not.

few pictures of normal tv with the hack, not the best quality, i had the camera upside down apparently lol..
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post #672 of 776
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Originally Posted by mick50008 View Post

i would personally prefer to use usb for movies, but with the hack i cant so i generally put them on usb and watch them through ps3 or xbox, i was using the pc but had some image retention from the borders that the pc has so scrapped that idea pretty fast. Did just watch a movie through pc on the tv with those same settings and it looked good tho. just gotta remember to watch it in full screen or the borders from the media player will burn in. just had a look at those iso files on kickass and they are massive files lol, like 50 gig, i assume you gotta burn them to disc after downloading obviously? nice to know that they are available tho. as far as glasses go, i think shutter glasses are the ones you want? i got a pair of the shutter glasses chucked in when i bought the tv and they work well. not sure if their is something better out there or not.

few pictures of normal tv with the hack, not the best quality, i had the camera upside down apparently lol..

That's ****ing ridiculous man....I paid $1000 for a TV that I can't watch blu rays on....90% of blu rays have letterbox....movies in general ...I mean is it really that much of a concern with this TV?

I heard models in this day and age aren't truly susceptible to image retention that actually lasts more than a couple hours
post #673 of 776
Is it possible to just enable the 10-pt calibration without enabling Cal-Day/Night so as not to have the need for crossmatching? That's assuming this would work with the PS series (i.e. PS51D550).
post #674 of 776
yeah, i have seen one dude with this tv on here say that he left his ps3 on the menu screen for like 45 minutes and he got permanent image retention, not bad but still something that showed up on white screens or something. Having said that i dont think its a issue with blu rays and the border up the top and bottom of the screen, i did some research on that cos this is the first plasma i have had (always lcd before this) and i watch alot of foxtel and always set it to letterbox (the borders) cos i think it looks better, and i have read that it wont cause burn in of the borders, just that where the screen is black the colours will be brighter there once the tv ages because it hasnt been showing colour. i have had no problems with foxtel causing ir. watching on 4:3 (borders on the side of the screen) is a different matter and is bad i think, but who wants to watch tv like that anyway. I think with the pc i got ir jus cos it is so bright and yeah, only had it on for 5 minutes when it happened, had a few windows open and the box outlines hung around for about half hour. its got the scrolling patterns buillt into the tv aswell, i dunno lol, im jus not gonna use it as a pc monitor, for movies over pc in full screen should be fine tho. sorry for the essay. Jus sayin i wouldnt be worried bout watching blu rays in letterbox.
post #675 of 776
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Originally Posted by sherpa25 View Post

Is it possible to just enable the 10-pt calibration without enabling Cal-Day/Night so as not to have the need for crossmatching? That's assuming this would work with the PS series (i.e. PS51D550).

You can enable the day/night cal without changing the model to enable the 10 pt. But not the other way around. Not that I have found anyway.
post #676 of 776
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Originally Posted by Stormwulf View Post

You can enable the day/night cal without changing the model to enable the 10 pt. But not the other way around. Not that I have found anyway.

Oh, so if I can still enable 10-pt w/o changing the model name, what new feature(s) do I get if I change the name to D7000? What exactly causes the HDMI to mix up? I'd like to avoid that, if possible. Thanks.
post #677 of 776
I accidentally changed the "type" and managed to make the screen upside down and 8 bit color. It took quite a while to get it back but at least it wasn't ruined. What is the proper "type" for the 64D550? I have 2 choices that word and one has a C and one has an F. I could use the help so I don't need to put a Best Buy unit in service mode to find out. lol Thanks in advance.
post #678 of 776
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Originally Posted by sherpa25 View Post

Oh, so if I can still enable 10-pt w/o changing the model name, what new feature(s) do I get if I change the name to D7000? What exactly causes the HDMI to mix up? I'd like to avoid that, if possible. Thanks.

Not exactly what I was trying to say. The Day/Night Cal "can" be enabled without changing the model. The 10 pt "cannot" be enabled without changing the model. Changing the model is what messes the HDMI sockets up.
post #679 of 776
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Originally Posted by Stormwulf View Post

Not exactly what I was trying to say. The Day/Night Cal "can" be enabled without changing the model. The 10 pt "cannot" be enabled without changing the model. Changing the model is what messes the HDMI sockets up.

Oh, so getting the 10-pt would also mean messing up HDMI slots. Well, I'll try it out soon. Another thing before I access the Service Menu.... will enternig reset all settings to factory defaults even w/o changing anything?
post #680 of 776
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Originally Posted by sherpa25 View Post

Oh, so getting the 10-pt would also mean messing up HDMI slots. Well, I'll try it out soon. Another thing before I access the Service Menu.... will enternig reset all settings to factory defaults even w/o changing anything?

Yes it will reset all your menu settings to default.
post #681 of 776
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Originally Posted by mick50008 View Post

yeah, i have seen one dude with this tv on here say that he left his ps3 on the menu screen for like 45 minutes and he got permanent image retention, not bad but still something that showed up on white screens or something. Having said that i dont think its a issue with blu rays and the border up the top and bottom of the screen, i did some research on that cos this is the first plasma i have had (always lcd before this) and i watch alot of foxtel and always set it to letterbox (the borders) cos i think it looks better, and i have read that it wont cause burn in of the borders, just that where the screen is black the colours will be brighter there once the tv ages because it hasnt been showing colour. i have had no problems with foxtel causing ir. watching on 4:3 (borders on the side of the screen) is a different matter and is bad i think, but who wants to watch tv like that anyway. I think with the pc i got ir jus cos it is so bright and yeah, only had it on for 5 minutes when it happened, had a few windows open and the box outlines hung around for about half hour. its got the scrolling patterns buillt into the tv aswell, i dunno lol, im jus not gonna use it as a pc monitor, for movies over pc in full screen should be fine tho. sorry for the essay. Jus sayin i wouldnt be worried bout watching blu rays in letterbox.

hey mick...I just got my 3d glasses and played some half SBS 3D movies and they looked sick! loving it dude...thanks for the help.

I was wondering, have you found any use for the 3d with the xbox?

btw, you know of any streaming 3d sites? youtube has some cool 3d videos
post #682 of 776
No worries man. Black ops looks pretty nuts in 3d. The new batman is 3d, nba live 2012 is 3d aswell. There's a few out there, if you google 3d Xbox 360 games you will get a list.
post #683 of 776
Am I the only one that loses AllShare and networking when the TV's renamed?
Or am I missing something?

A couple of other quick questions if I may....

Could one use a 1x2 hdmi splitter to work around the cross matching issue?

And....

The expert menu is greyed out on my TV, even after I've renamed it. As such I can enable the day night cal thing. If someone could help with any of these Qs I'd be grateful.

Amazing TV! And with the 10pt hack, WoW!!!
post #684 of 776
Hi to all,

this is a really amazing idea for making our PSxxD550 a high-end model

After reading this thread I've got some questions!

First is, if this also works with my PS51D550?

And then I like to know what I have to do if I'm using only the HMDI3-input jack of my PS51D550?

It's connected to my Onkyo AV-receiver which collects all signals (Vu+ Duo satellite-receiver, PS3, Wii) and uses its HDMI-out to show everthing on my Samsung.

I've got no other HDMI-out left to use as "spare"...

Any ideas?

Best regards and keep on your good work

cool400
post #685 of 776
Any help would greatly appreciate:

I am still a bit confuse about the crossmatch. I have Directv DVR, PS3, DVD, AVR, and a HDMI switch ports. All of them have HDMI ports. How do I crossmatch them in the PN59D550. I have USA model.

Thanks in advance for your help.

De
post #686 of 776
Quote:
Originally Posted by cool400 View Post

Hi to all,

this is a really amazing idea for making our PSxxD550 a high-end model

After reading this thread I've got some questions!

First is, if this also works with my PS51D550?

And then I like to know what I have to do if I'm using only the HMDI3-input jack of my PS51D550?

It's connected to my Onkyo AV-receiver which collects all signals (Vu+ Duo satellite-receiver, PS3, Wii) and uses its HDMI-out to show everthing on my Samsung.

I've got no other HDMI-out left to use as "spare"...

Any ideas?

Best regards and keep on your good work

cool400

It will work on your 51".
You have the same set up as i do but you definitely need another device hooked up to hdmi so your receiver can work. either use one of your devices connected to the receiver or get another (dvd player with hdmi) as the idle. There's mo other way.
post #687 of 776
Good Morning to all,
i am owner from a samsung ps51d530 eu model.. and i change the model number to d550 to play video formats via usb stick and that works very well i do it yesterday.
So my question is can i change something else in the service menu to have also the 3 D effect that the D550 has?

Thanks a lot
papapoli
post #688 of 776
Quote:
Originally Posted by chambery View Post

Based on the results, I must 1) have a bad meter

Bingo. Have the same problem on my D450, i1 wont read colour properly and wants to calibrate extremely red. What I ended up doing was just using the default white balance setting and then adjusting only the red and blue gains by eye till greyscale looks neutral (done in a completely dark room with grey steps patten), then measuring that colour (in my case the i1 says it is red 93%, green 93%, blue 145%) and then calibrating all 10 points to that colour. At least you'll have a nice linear greyscale and gamma tracking, even though the actual colour of them will be a bit off.

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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Can the D450 be unlocked also?

Yes, mine is. But it messes with your input labels and sound quality is terrible (because it loads the D7000's speaker eq). This can be fixed with calibration by disabling speaker EQ in the service menu and then using user menu equaliser to calibrate it.

10pt and CMS work perfectly, however if I lower contrast below 95 the 10 point control no longer matches up to their intervals properly and its extremely hard to calibrate. But it's fine if you leave con at 95 and adjust pic level with cell light.

Also the D450 (mine at least) has some serious issues with lack of red saturation in the 0-20 range which only shows up on full screen content (windows won't give you the true story of red saturation). This cannot be fixed with CMS, but can be slightly improved with 10p by adding red/removing green+blue for 10-20.
post #689 of 776
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Can the D450 be unlocked also?

Quote:
Originally Posted by assm0de View Post


Yes, mine is. But it messes with your input labels and sound quality is terrible (because it loads the D7000's speaker eq). This can be fixed with calibration by disabling speaker EQ in the service menu and then using user menu equaliser to calibrate it.

10pt and CMS work perfectly, however if I lower contrast below 95 the 10 point control no longer matches up to their intervals properly and its extremely hard to calibrate. But it's fine if you leave con at 95 and adjust pic level with cell light.

Also the D450 (mine at least) has some serious issues with lack of red saturation in the 0-20 range which only shows up on full screen content (windows won't give you the true story of red saturation). This cannot be fixed with CMS, but can be slightly improved with 10p by adding red/removing green+blue for 10-20.

Thank you.
post #690 of 776
I know this question has been asked in this theread before, but I've never seen it answered.

What am I able to gain from this on my D530? I did the mute-1-8-2-power and got a service menu, but didn't see any way to do any of the 10pt calibration, nor did I see a way to change my TV model to the D7000.
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