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post #61 of 113
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

Every demo unit I have seen in the stores I thought looked muddy too, with low contrast and DSE.

So it isn't just me! Every time I ask the lady she doesn't see it. But I constantly see it. I'm about to hook up my replacement now. Hoping it's fixed if not then maybe at least better.
post #62 of 113
I will say this. This thing isn't made for a bright room at all. It looks much better in person then in store.
post #63 of 113
Unless I read wrong someone commenting it's an error. The deal of the day has it $100 price drop..
post #64 of 113
Will it display 3D from the PC as well, via HDMI 1.4a?

Say, for example, from AMD's 6670?

I see that AMD is releasing a new Catalyst driver set (12.1) that looks positive.
post #65 of 113
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Originally Posted by bshor View Post

Will it display 3D from the PC as well, via HDMI 1.4a?

Say, for example, from AMD's 6670?

I see that AMD is releasing a new Catalyst driver set (12.1) that looks positive.

I'm not sure. But it does say it will accept 1.4a/ So My guess would be yes.
post #66 of 113
Even the cable the bundle comes with is an hdmi 1.4a Ethernet.
post #67 of 113
Picked up a sony media remote. It even does blutooth control of the ps3.
The display is very dark even without 3d enabled, I use it with room lights off. Is there a term for the heavy polarization effect of the screen? My friend has a plasma 3d screen and it doesn't seem to have that polarization shimmer. I wonder if thats the 'muddy' look people are talking about. The Sony colors, sharpness and even contrast look good to me. I need to find a good normal 3d movie thats not animated or with heavy computer effects. I don't think any exsist.
post #68 of 113
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Originally Posted by Arcadia88 View Post

Picked up a sony media remote. It even does blutooth control of the ps3.
The display is very dark even without 3d enabled, I use it with room lights off. Is there a term for the heavy polarization effect of the screen? My friend has a plasma 3d screen and it doesn't seem to have that polarization shimmer. I wonder if thats the 'muddy' look people are talking about. The Sony colors, sharpness and even contrast look good to me. I need to find a good normal 3d movie thats not animated or with heavy computer effects. I don't think any exsist.

If you change the picture mode to dynamic It's pretty bright. The default is standard, not so bright.
post #69 of 113
Dynamic is blinding bright. What's with the 240Hz? Is it always on or only on in 3D and cinema modes? I ask because usually 240hz will cause a great deal of input lag. Not the case for this set. If anything it makes it feel that much faster. I play a lot of cod. Speed set to insane. When I put picture mode on cinema. It feels twice as fast. Normally a 240Hz display would make it feel slower.

I'd like to learn more about this but there isn't any manual to read about it.
post #70 of 113
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Originally Posted by Arcadia88 View Post

Picked up a sony media remote. It even does blutooth control of the ps3.
The display is very dark even without 3d enabled, I use it with room lights off. Is there a term for the heavy polarization effect of the screen? My friend has a plasma 3d screen and it doesn't seem to have that polarization shimmer. I wonder if thats the 'muddy' look people are talking about. The Sony colors, sharpness and even contrast look good to me. I need to find a good normal 3d movie thats not animated or with heavy computer effects. I don't think any exsist.

Hm. Shimmer. Maybe that's the word I was looking for. Looks like it sparkles to me kinda deal. Not sure if we are talking about the same thing.

I will say this though. Got my replacement display hooked up. Image isn't muddy any more. Still has the sparkle to it. But you only see it when you concentrate on finding it.
post #71 of 113
So if bestbuy.com is having trouble selling these for 299, then I wonder happens by boxing day! Not tv or pc friendly, truly a make believe on the 240 hz, can't wait for CES 2012
post #72 of 113
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Originally Posted by shsiddiq View Post

So if bestbuy.com is having trouble selling these for 299, then I wonder happens by boxing day! Not tv or pc friendly, truly a make believe on the 240 hz, can't wait for CES 2012

It's to bad Sony doesn't usually come out with anything till the end of the next year. So even if they did remake this display. We wouldn't see it until November.
post #73 of 113
Well. I've learned 3D on this display is just useless. Crosstalk like crazy. Even though I did not buy this set for 3D. It really makes me debate keeping it. Considering I can just buy a beautiful monitor that's even bigger for the same price. Or a 32 inch tv. Least I have a very long time to debate it due to best buys extended holiday return period.
post #74 of 113
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Well. I've learned 3D on this display is just useless. Crosstalk like crazy. Even though I did not buy this set for 3D. It really makes me debate keeping it. Considering I can just buy a beautiful monitor that's even bigger for the same price. Or a 32 inch tv. Least I have a very long time to debate it due to best buys extended holiday return period.

I've found that the 3D is not as bad as on my Samsung un55c8000 which is known to have a lot of crosstalk. The 3D included with the PS3, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows part 2, is known to be heavy with crosstalk. If I view Tron or Resident Evil there is almost no crosstalk and less than my Samsung. I did change to Dynamic Mode because I like a bright popout image, that maybe helped.

I didn't see much playing Motor Storm but I was to busy to look carefully.
post #75 of 113
Hm/ It might be a setting issue with what i'm seeing but I doubt that is the case. Dynamic mode should make the cross-talk worse. Not better. I'll give it a try either way.
post #76 of 113
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Hm/ It might be a setting issue with what i'm seeing but I doubt that is the case. Dynamic mode should make the cross-talk worse. Not better. I'll give it a try either way.

Like I said I'm not to sensitive to crosstalk because of my Samsung. I also find if 3D is going for a while the pixels seem to warm up and are faster reducing crosstalk. Takes maybe a half hour. Good luck, I'm reasonably happy.
post #77 of 113
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Originally Posted by Robut View Post


Like I said I'm not to sensitive to crosstalk because of my Samsung. I also find if 3D is going for a while the pixels seem to warm up and are faster reducing crosstalk. Takes maybe a half hour. Good luck, I'm reasonably happy.

Hm. Maybe I'll try letting it warm up as much as possible. See if it makes a change.
post #78 of 113
I would like to know how the 24" Playstation 3D display using active shutter 3D glasses compares to the LG D2342P-PN 23 3D LED LCD Monitor using passive 3D glasses.
post #79 of 113
None of us own the LG...
post #80 of 113
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Originally Posted by shsiddiq View Post

I would like to know how the 24" Playstation 3D display using active shutter 3D glasses compares to the LG D2342P-PN 23 3D LED LCD Monitor using passive 3D glasses.

The LG is definetly brighter, but that's to be expected. The extra inch on the sony is nice. I wouldn't say one over the other since it's subjective, however go with the tech that makes your eyeballs feel the least like they are being squeezed.

Granted it was in store display, but the sony in 3D mode was dark, I found the active glasses for this display seem darker to me than other Sony displays/active glasses combos...perhaps my imagination? Perhaps it didn't have the correct settings. Since it's in store I am willing to give it the benifit of the doubt.

Re the "shimmery" comment from a few posts up, I would assume the anti glare coating might have something to do with that.


Cheers
post #81 of 113
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Originally Posted by Majister View Post

The LG is definetly brighter, but that's to be expected. The extra inch on the sony is nice. I wouldn't say one over the other since it's subjective, however go with the tech that makes your eyeballs feel the least like they are being squeezed.

Granted it was in store display, but the sony in 3D mode was dark, I found the active glasses for this display seem darker to me than other Sony displays/active glasses combos...perhaps my imagination? Perhaps it didn't have the correct settings. Since it's in store I am willing to give it the benifit of the doubt.

Re the "shimmery" comment from a few posts up, I would assume the anti glare coating might have something to do with that.


Cheers

Dim? You can adjust it to the point that it hurts your eyes it's so bright. By the way I can watch a 3D movie and then play a 3D game of maybe 3Hr. My eyes don't hurt. Its the old active vs passive argument and it's worn out.
post #82 of 113
Picked one up yesterday because of the price drop and I wanted to give 3D gaming a try without investing in a new, expensive HDTV, but I think it's going back to BB. The 3D effect is very good, but the games I tried (Motorstorm, Wipeout, Ratchet All 4 One, and Uncharted 3) all had a very noticeable loss of sharpness. I know the drop is expected, but I didn't expect such a dramatic step down. The other disappointment for me was overall PQ and color. It's not terrible, but the colors were more washed out than vibrant. I'm much happier with my older Samsung (LN40A650) and will likely stick with it and wait a bit longer on 3D.
post #83 of 113
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Originally Posted by yossarian15 View Post

Picked one up yesterday because of the price drop and I wanted to give 3D gaming a try without investing in a new, expensive HDTV, but I think it's going back to BB. The 3D effect is very good, but the games I tried (Motorstorm, Wipeout, Ratchet All 4 One, and Uncharted 3) all had a very noticeable loss of sharpness. I know the drop is expected, but I didn't expect such a dramatic step down. The other disappointment for me was overall PQ and color. It's not terrible, but the colors were more washed out than vibrant. I'm much happier with my older Samsung (LN40A650) and will likely stick with it and wait a bit longer on 3D.

I noticed that as well. I'm actually sending mines back tomorrow and might try out one of the LG Cinema sets or whatever monitor/tv I can find that is a passive set and has large viewing angles and isn't over $300-500.
post #84 of 113
This set is far from dim. It can be blinding bright if you'd like it to. 3D doesn't hurt the eyes. But it could just be us. Some people are more sensitive to it.
post #85 of 113
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Originally Posted by TreeDee View Post


I noticed that as well. I'm actually sending mines back tomorrow and might try out one of the LG Cinema sets or whatever monitor/tv I can find that is a passive set and has large viewing angles and isn't over $300-500.

Trying to find something within this same price range. But for 300 I can't.
post #86 of 113
Hooked up an LG Bluray player to play an SBS file. Pushed the 3d button on the mponitor a couple of times to get it SBS mode and it worked like a charm. I didn't notice any significant ghosting with the sample files I tried, Avatar trailer, the black peas samsung demo, How to Train a Dragon trailer. All looked good. I also played a few PS3 games in 3D and didn't notice any ghosting. (House of the Dead Overkill, Mortal Kombat).
post #87 of 113
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Originally Posted by ejqly View Post

Hooked up an LG Bluray player to play an SBS file. Pushed the 3d button on the mponitor a couple of times to get it SBS mode and it worked like a charm. I didn't notice any significant ghosting with the sample files I tried, Avatar trailer, the black peas samsung demo, How to Train a Dragon trailer. All looked good. I also played a few PS3 games in 3D and didn't notice any ghosting. (House of the Dead Overkill, Mortal Kombat).

What is SBS used for exactly? How do you use it? If I randomly turn it on during COD my screen goes out of wack lol.
post #88 of 113
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

What is SBS used for exactly? How do you use it? If I randomly turn it on during COD my screen goes out of wack lol.

As I understand it, the 3D source material is transmitted (typically broadcast material) sbs This means the two images forming the 3D image are next to each other taking up 960x1080 of the resolution. The two images add up to the full 1920x1080. the display when set to 3D sbs processes the two images (superimposes them) and produces a 3D image that is half resolution or a 960x1080.

I hope that is clear and what you are asking for.

When you went to sbs 3D with a non sbs source the display superimposed half the image over the other half producing a messed up image.

Typically sbs is used by broadcast sources to provide 3D at a lower bandwidth.
post #89 of 113
Can someone who has this confirm that there is no way to VESA mount it? The pictures make it look like it might have holes for a 200 x 100 bracket, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere that it is supported.
post #90 of 113
Has any1 tried yt3d or downloaded bluray movies on PC with this thing? How is the PQ?
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