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post #151 of 387
11/17/11 at 4:20pm
Too cool, looks great. This is going to be one awesome looking room. Probably will not sound that bad either.
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post #152 of 387
11/18/11 at 7:15am
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Looking really good. Can't wait to see more (hint hint ...).

Couldn't see it mentioned in your thread, but what is your ceiling height ??

I'm picking around 11'-12' and each tier is about an 8" drop ??

Thanks for the compliments. There has not been much visible progress to photograph recently. We have been in the "planning" stages for the acoustical treatements, fabric, paint colors, carpet, cabinets, etc. I hope to have some good pics to show in the next week or so.

The ceiling of the isolation shell was framed at 12'. After clips, channel, DD, and then the level changes of the tiered ceiling, we average around 10' throughout the room.
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post #153 of 387
11/18/11 at 7:27am
Very nice looking ceiling. Would be great to have the height to do something like that.
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post #154 of 387
11/18/11 at 7:47am
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OK gang. I need help, thoughts, comments, and/or opinions on trim and baseboards.

Here is the color scheme that I have come up with so far. Brown fabric on the walls and beige paint on the ceiling. We will have a sort of random brick pattern for the panels. The stage will of course be black GOM and we will have a black carpet border around the edge of the room and steps. The blue is the accent color for pillows, etc. Comments or suggestions are welcome.



But I am really at a loss about what to do on the baseboards and trim. I was hoping to make the 4 doors inside the room relatively "hidden" behind the fabric panels. However, if I have base boards, they will likely show because I will have to either remove the baseboards or cut them to make the doors function.

Then, if we do use baseboards, do we then continue them horizontally up the end of each wall and around the ceiling arches? Or do we skip trim all together and just wrap the walls in the fabric with floating panels for a clean, modern look (after thinking about it for a week, I am leaning this way)?

So the choices are:

1. Baseboards only
2. Baseboards and casings up the wall and around ceiling
3. No trim, just fabric panels with fabric wrapped around end of each wall




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post #155 of 387
11/18/11 at 9:11am
If you substitute wide throw hinges on the doors (4x6) you can add up to a 1 inch panel and have one inch treatment around the door including baseboards and it will open without a problem. From the Bacon Race Theater:



Not a fan of beige ceilings, I would at least go for that mid brown in the carpet sample
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post #156 of 387
11/18/11 at 10:27am
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OK gang. I need help, thoughts, comments, and/or opinions on trim and baseboards.

Here is the color scheme that I have come up with so far. Brown fabric on the walls and beige paint on the ceiling. We will have a sort of random brick pattern for the panels. The stage will of course be black GOM and we will have a black carpet border around the edge of the room and steps. The blue is the accent color for pillows, etc. Comments or suggestions are welcome.



But I am really at a loss about what to do on the baseboards and trim. I was hoping to make the 4 doors inside the room relatively "hidden" behind the fabric panels. However, if I have base boards, they will likely show because I will have to either remove the baseboards or cut them to make the doors function.

Then, if we do use baseboards, do we then continue them horizontally up the end of each wall and around the ceiling arches? Or do we skip trim all together and just wrap the walls in the fabric with floating panels for a clean, modern look (after thinking about it for a week, I am leaning this way)?

So the choices are:

1. Baseboards only
2. Baseboards and casings up the wall and around ceiling
3. No trim, just fabric panels with fabric wrapped around end of each wall


I just let my vertical trim and panels butt up to the carpet.

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post #157 of 387
11/18/11 at 12:57pm
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If you substitute wide throw hinges on the doors (4x6) you can add up to a 1 inch panel and have one inch treatment around the door including baseboards and it will open without a problem.

BIG, thanks for your input. The problem that I think I have is that we will have 2" of treatment. So, if I add trim outside of that, I think we are too deep for any wide throw hinges to get around the baseboard without making cuts, right?

What do you think about the look of the panels just floating off the carpet? Would be an easy solution, and I like the thought of keeping the focus of the room on the design of the splayed walls, but I also don't want to screw up the look of the room if it really should have trim and will look unfinished.

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Not a fan of beige ceilings, I would at least go for that mid brown in the carpet sample

Dennis had the same concern from the color sample I sent him. The color is actually a bit darker than it appears in the photo. I will throw up a sample on the wall next week and see if it is too light for you guys then.

BTW -- The Bacon Race theater is a masterpiece. I have been following the journey over the past few months. Congrats!
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post #158 of 387
11/18/11 at 1:10pm
Maybe "step" the color of ceiling paint as you move away from the screen. Go almost black in the little section right above the screen, then progressively lighter as you move to the back of the theater. Great looking room, BTW.
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post #159 of 387
11/18/11 at 1:47pm
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BIG, thanks for your input. The problem that I think I have is that we will have 2" of treatment. So, if I add trim outside of that, I think we are too deep for any wide throw hinges to get around the baseboard without making cuts, right?


BTW -- The Bacon Race theater is a masterpiece. I have been following the journey over the past few months. Congrats!

Thanks for the feedback, I love the stepped look of your place and you really need to play it up in your finishing details, Stepped colors is an interesting idea.

As for two inches, not a problem get the 4 1/2 by 8 inch (when opened) hinges instead of the 4x6. Haven't used them personally but they should work.

As for trim if you like that look, don't put it on top of the panels sticking out, but rather mount it on furring so that it ends up sitting flush (nearly flush) with panels. That is how we did the Bacon Race.
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post #160 of 387
11/18/11 at 2:56pm
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Maybe "step" the color of ceiling paint as you move away from the screen. Go almost black in the little section right above the screen, then progressively lighter as you move to the back of the theater. Great looking room, BTW.

Agree on this one above.
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post #161 of 387
11/19/11 at 8:20am
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Maybe "step" the color of ceiling paint as you move away from the screen. Go almost black in the little section right above the screen, then progressively lighter as you move to the back of the theater. Great looking room, BTW.

+1 Could be a really dramatic effect, if you can do it on the walls too.
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post #162 of 387
11/19/11 at 8:50am
Dennis had me use Kodak Grey.

I have no distracting ceiling reflections.
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post #163 of 387
11/20/11 at 5:19am
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They are the HVAC supply. The returns will be cut into the rear soffit. After carpet, we will add two more to the riser to make a bass trap.

Looks like this is going to be one heckuva theater!

If the diffusors in the riser for the bass trap are not going to be visible, then why even use a diffusor? Won't a simple opening suffice?

What's the reason for putting OSB on the (concrete) floor? I thought that you could put carpet and pad on a concrete slab directly.
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post #164 of 387
11/20/11 at 2:22pm
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If the diffusors in the riser for the bass trap are not going to be visible, then why even use a diffusor? Won't a simple opening suffice?

---Diffuser as in HVAC register or vent where the opening can be modified. Look as this as more a pressure absorber that will affect certain low frequencies ... those on the back work against different frequencies than on the sides. The size (sq. in.) of opening is determined based upon a best guess model (as are all models when applied to the real world) with respect to the result one needs to achieve.

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What's the reason for putting OSB on the (concrete) floor? I thought that you could put carpet and pad on a concrete slab directly.

It is part of the sound isolation strategy for the room. That is not just OSB, btw. There's other "stuff" under it and that "stuff" doesn't contact the framing or drywall.
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post #165 of 387
11/20/11 at 3:13pm
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---Diffuser as in HVAC register or vent where the opening can be modified. Look as this as more a pressure absorber that will affect certain low frequencies ... those on the back work against different frequencies than on the sides. The size (sq. in.) of opening is determined based upon a best guess model (as are all models when applied to the real world) with respect to the result one needs to achieve.

Presumably the adjustments can be made after the theater is in use and the diffusors are easily accessible.


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It is part of the sound isolation strategy for the room. That is not just OSB, btw. There's other "stuff" under it and that "stuff" doesn't contact the framing or drywall.

Sound isolation from the ground/concrete slab? What's below the floor? If nothing, then how's that better than a carpet?

I trust your judgment, just don't understand how it works.
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post #166 of 387
11/20/11 at 4:00pm
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Sound isolation from the ground/concrete slab? What's below the floor?

First, this is two-way. Second, it is low frequency and carpet doesn't help one twit for that. Sub-woofers are firmly anchored to the stage, which sits on the isolated subfloor which then significantly reduces vibratory energy transfer to the rest of the structure. Next, such things as air conditioning compressors, traffic driving down a street, (even trains over a mile away), are also connected to the ground which is connected to the slab ... so the isolated base reduces that energy transfer into the room.
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post #167 of 387
11/20/11 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

First, this is two-way. Second, it is low frequency and carpet doesn't help one twit for that. Sub-woofers are firmly anchored to the stage, which sits on the isolated subfloor which then significantly reduces vibratory energy transfer to the rest of the structure. Next, such things as air conditioning compressors, traffic driving down a street, (even trains over a mile away),

I've seen shaking while looking under a microscope while streetcars passed by and they were on isolation tables.
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post #168 of 387
11/20/11 at 5:00pm
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Here is the "stuff." Purchased from Ted White.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20941948
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post #169 of 387
12/7/11 at 10:55pm
hello, anyone in here?
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post #170 of 387
12/9/11 at 4:45pm
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A little progress this week. Got the ceiling painted (color not very accurate in photos), cabinets installed in the kitchenette, and the bar framed. Here are the photos:
















Next up--I am going to lay out the lines for the fabric tracks and build my equipment rack. The doors are being drilled and hung soon (hopefully).
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post #171 of 387
12/9/11 at 9:12pm
The walls look stepped around 1 foot at a time. Was that ideal for your room, or did you reduce the size of each step to make the room look nicer?
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post #172 of 387
12/10/11 at 11:09am
I think you may be disappointed in the ceiling color. I would recommend something darker for sure.
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post #173 of 387
12/13/11 at 7:35pm
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I think you may be disappointed in the ceiling color. I would recommend something darker for sure.

I too am a little concerned. But in person, it is a shade or two darker than the photo. So, we have decided to leave it for now and repaint if we have problems once we get the PJ cranked up.
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post #174 of 387
12/13/11 at 7:42pm
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The Quest Acoustic panels arrived today. It was fun (not really) unloading them from the truck one by one. Does anyone know why a trucking company would load a 1200 pound crate onto the back of their truck but not bring any equipment capable of off loading the crate??? Genius.




We also received the tiles for our backsplash in the kitchenette. I love this design and have been looking for some place to put it. It doesn't match the rest of the house, but a few square feet of it in the kitchenette should give me a little happiness.

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post #175 of 387
12/13/11 at 7:44pm
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The walls look stepped around 1 foot at a time. Was that ideal for your room, or did you reduce the size of each step to make the room look nicer?

The decreasing size of each tier was Dennis' design. He would need to speak to the "why."

I think the varying sizes adds visual interest to the room. If each were the exact same length, I don't think it would look quite as interesting.
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post #176 of 387
12/13/11 at 8:41pm
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The Quest Acoustic panels arrived today.

Would you mind taking some close up photos of these please? never seen a good shot of them
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post #177 of 387
12/13/11 at 8:52pm
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The decreasing size of each tier was Dennis' design. He would need to speak to the "why."

I think the varying sizes adds visual interest to the room. If each were the exact same length, I don't think it would look quite as interesting.

Not speaking for Dennis, but I am sure that is why.
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post #178 of 387
12/14/11 at 8:21am
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...Does anyone know why a trucking company would load a 1200 pound crate onto the back of their truck but not bring any equipment capable of off loading the crate??? Genius.....

Standard operating procedure unless you request lift gate service at the time the shipment is turned over to the trucking company.
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post #179 of 387
12/14/11 at 8:34am
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Standard operating procedure unless you request lift gate service at the time the shipment is turned over to the trucking company.

There ya go. And the added cost of the lift gate isn't insignificant. Even then there's no means to remove it from the lowered liftgate, so you still have to schlep it inside and up the stairs, etc.
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post #180 of 387
12/14/11 at 12:29pm
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We also received the tiles for our backsplash in the kitchenette. I love this design and have been looking for some place to put it. It doesn't match the rest of the house, but a few square feet of it in the kitchenette should give me a little happiness.


Hey, those look familiar! I'm planning to cut whole walls in my theatre using a similar pattern. Where did you find those? It looks like they affix to the wall with screws in the corners. Is that accurate?
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