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post #31 of 416
Looks AMAZING already!

Dennis really came up with an awesome design!

I can't wait to see more pics...
post #32 of 416
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Feels like we are moving a little now. We got the R19 batts in the walls and the drywall crew started hanging the channels today. We are scheduled to put up the first layer of OSB on the ceiling on Tuesday, hopefully.







I also did a little work of my own today. I built 6 speaker boxes to hold the Procella P6s that we will use for surrounds. Some of them will be framed into the isolation shell, so i needed to go ahead and get them built. Others will be in the interior walls that will be constructed later.

They are built with 2 layers of 1/2" MDF with Green Glue in between.





With any luck, I will be posting pictures of the DD & GG this week!
post #33 of 416
How tall is your ceiling in there? I didnt see it listed in the thread, sorry if I overlooked it. It looks like 12' by the photo?

I wish mine was higher than 10'! Its not leaving me any room for a step/stage at all!
post #34 of 416
subscribed.

This looks like a great build. I'll be taking notes. I especially am noting the drywall hanging. I'm familiar with the benefits... just haven't researched it enough.
post #35 of 416
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

How tall is your ceiling in there? I didnt see it listed in the thread, sorry if I overlooked it. It looks like 12' by the photo?

I wish mine was higher than 10'! Its not leaving me any room for a step/stage at all!

It is 12' now, but the plans call for a multi-level dropped ceiling and floor risers, so the finished dimensions will be varied.
post #36 of 416
Did your drywall guys know how to do the clips & channel?

I'm also wondering how a typical home construction drywall crew does with DD + GG.
post #37 of 416
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Did your drywall guys know how to do the clips & channel?

I'm also wondering how a typical home construction drywall crew does with DD + GG.


I had two meetings (one with the supervisor and one with the owner of the company) to make sure they understood where to place the clips. But I also started the staggered pattern of the clips by installing the ones on the bottom myself. So, that made it easier for them. They just had to follow the pattern.

As for the DD & GG, I think they understand the procedure, but I will be taking a day off of work to "supervise" when we get there.
post #38 of 416
Looks great so far, I think this is going to be a very interesting build. I will be starting my theater soon in a similarly sized room, so I will following your build with great interest. Love those theater doors, btw.
post #39 of 416
I really hate all of you people in texas, I don't know if that make house that big here in Toronto I cant wait to see the final product, keep up with all the photos. These build threads are the only thing keeping me sane while I save for a down payment.
post #40 of 416
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It is 12' now, but the plans call for a multi-level dropped ceiling and floor risers, so the finished dimensions will be varied.

Of course, everything is always big in Texas...
post #41 of 416
KBlaw2010,

Wow. You really have the space that we would all die for... love the HT outline. I'm subscribed.

Cheers.
post #42 of 416
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As for the DD & GG, I think they understand the procedure, but I will be taking a day off of work to "supervise" when we get there.

Do you speak Spanish? I am considering doing the same, but more often than not I find there is a language barrier between me and the people actually doing the work.

I asked my builder if he would supervise since he speaks Spanish, but he dodged the question and hasn't spoke to me for a week. Jeff and Art both have DE masterpieces and they used GC's for their build, so apparently it can be done. That would be best for me because I'm poor, but I worry it won't get done right. Let me know how it goes for you.
post #43 of 416
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Do you speak Spanish? I am considering doing the same, but more often than not I find there is a language barrier between me and the people actually doing the work.

I speak "un poco" (a little) Spanish, but the supervision will be more of the point and demonstrate varity. I too was very concerned that it would be difficult to take Dennis' designs and educate and translate it to the builder and then on to the subs. My solution was to be persistently communicative. That is my way of saying that I bug the crap out of them and inundate them with instructions on a daily basis.

As for the language barrier with the subs, I have found that most companies have English speaking supervisors, and I have had my builder set up meetings with those so that I can to explain the process and provide all of the educational materials.

I am not out of the woods yet, but I am hoping that I will be able to patch it together for a slightly more reasonable price than what it would cost to bring in HT construction specialists.
post #44 of 416
I supervised a spanish speaking crew installing GG and DDW and it is not that difficult (Bethesda build). The guys I worked with are hard workers and after you show them one correctly loaded sheet they can duplicate the next. They will however not speak up when the bucket gets empty and if the next isn't in plain sight you may find sheets going up dry. The crew I had was dropped off by their supervisor and worked at my direction for the day.

On the two layers of drywall, If you use two different lengths of screws 1 1/4 and 2 inch (assumes 5/8 DW) you can avoid them short circuiting the design. Just hide the longer screws until the first layer is up. Trust me, a polish crew used the longer screws for the first layer on the wood frame (Isolated with RSIC clips) section of a theater because it was the first box they found in the supply box I had on-site. I'm not making this up, look at the Making Bacon thread.
post #45 of 416
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OSB went up on the ceiling today. Here are the photos:







Here are pictures of the speaker boxes mounted:






And here is an unrelated picture of the outside entrance to the HT with the drywall on. We are planning to make this entrance hidden by a moving wood wall (like a hidden bookcase door). Hopefully, it will work.

post #46 of 416
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On the two layers of drywall, If you use two different lengths of screws you can avoid them short circuiting the design. Just hide the longer screws until the first layer is up. Trust me, a polish crew used the longer screws for the first layer on the wood frame (Isolated with RSIC clips) section of a theater because it was the first box they found in the supply box I had onsite.


BIGmouth, that is a good tip. What were the two lengths of screws you recommend? I know that they are supposed to be fine thread for metal, but I did not think about length.

I might need to go buy two different lengths tomorrow.
post #47 of 416
Updated my post. 1 1/4 and 2 inches. I really like the fine thread Grabber brand designed for metal studs. I get them for 1/2 the price of screws at HD/L's. My source is Global Building Supply.
post #48 of 416
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Updated my post. 1 1/4 and 2 inches.

Gracias, amigo!
post #49 of 416
FWIW, I love Procella's. I have three P8's in front, 4 P6's for surrounds and two P10's and a P18 for sub duty. Sierra MIke Bravo and Dennis are the cat's meow.
post #50 of 416
Are the Procella's active powered ?
post #51 of 416
Kblaw2010 - what are the finishes being planned in regards to the walls and sound proofing?
Love the layout - agree w/ Moogie, a space we'd all love. I'm about at the same stage as you, but I've got a hunch you are gonna move quickly.
post #52 of 416
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FWIW, I love Procella's. I have three P8's in front, 4 P6's for surrounds and two P10's and a P18 for sub duty. Sierra MIke Bravo and Dennis are the cat's meow.

Randy, that's good to hear. I am buying them sight unseen (or sound unheard in this case). There are so many good reviews on them that I feel pretty good about the choice. And if Dennis likes them, that is a pretty strong endorsement.
post #53 of 416
What's msrp on that setup?
post #54 of 416
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Kblaw2010 - what are the finishes being planned in regards to the walls and sound proofing?
Love the layout - agree w/ Moogie, a space we'd all love. I'm about at the same stage as you, but I've got a hunch you are gonna move quickly.

Misugrad, Thanks for the kind words. I have it easy because I had a blank slate (new house) to start from. And having Erskine to do the painting don't hurt either.

As for the finishes, Dennis has specified certain diffusive and absorbent materials under fabric for the walls. But to tell you the truth, I have been so enveloped in studying the GG & DD procedure that I have not read that far ahead. One step at a time or my brain might melt. . .
post #55 of 416
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What's msrp on that setup?

I am not sure I am the best person to answer that question. I have not purchased them yet, and have just dealt with dealer pricing so far. I am sure someone else on hear knows.
post #56 of 416
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Had a fun GG & DD day yesterday. Started at 8:00am and got last layer finished around 6:00pm. All things considered, and after a few panicked phone calls to Ted White, it went fairly smoothly.

A few revelations:

1. Green glue sticks to arm hair. It sticks to faces. It sticks to Hispanic workers. It sticks to tools. It sticks to shoes. It then sticks to anything those shoes walk on (like house carpet). You get the point.

2. Green glue smells good, but it does not taste good.

3. On the first 5 or so sheets of drywall, you try to oh-so-carefully follow the "S" pattern described in the instructions. The subsequent sheets you say screw it and it just becomes a "sling it on there" in graffiti fashion process.

4. Drywall dust sucks -- big time.

Here are some photos of the progress. You may be thinking to yourself that my camera lens was really dirty, but no, that is drywall dust in the air. It now resides in my lungs.







Here are the 1 & 1/4" and 2" screws. Thanks Bigmouth!



Here is my GG workstation:




My graffiti art:




Second layer going up on ceiling:




Finished product:









Next step is to seal the corners with caulk and lay down mats and 3/4" OSB flooring. Then, seal between the floor and walls. That is my project for this weekend.
post #57 of 416
Wow, it looks great, things are going quickly in your build. What thickness OSB did you use in the room? Are you using 5/8" for both layers of drywall?
post #58 of 416
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Originally Posted by phisch View Post

Wow, it looks great, things are going quickly in your build. What thickness OSB did you use in the room? Are you using 5/8" for both layers of drywall?

We used 5/8" OSB for the first layer of ceiling, followed by 5/8" drywall. The walls are two layers of 5/8" drywall.
post #59 of 416
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Originally Posted by KBlaw2010 View Post

Randy, that's good to hear. I am buying them sight unseen (or sound unheard in this case). There are so many good reviews on them that I feel pretty good about the choice. And if Dennis likes them, that is a pretty strong endorsement.

FWIW...significant other attended Cedia expo with me. I dragged her into a well known home theater component company (starts with I), and the THX demo they had was terrible! Even she noticed it. Then dragged her into Procella room. She could not believe the difference, and was highly impressed with what she heard. If a woman can tell the difference....
post #60 of 416
who get the pleasure of cutting around all of your electrical boxes?
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