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post #391 of 441
KB,

Great job with the theater. Glad to hear that you are getting the enjoyment out of it that you intended too.

Do you have the link where you got the film and reel art that is right inside the door way? I am looking for some movie art for our game room.

Congrats on your beautiful room!

Cheers,

Jim
post #392 of 441
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Originally Posted by DreamWarrior View Post

SNIP... (clowns to the left of me, jokers to my right...) SNIP.....
occasionally a post makes me grin.. that reference was one..

Apologies for the OT.. Now back to our regularly scheduled "Great theatre"..

Brad
post #393 of 441
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Originally Posted by KBlaw2010 View Post


The box is closed to the room and has optical grade glass in the front removable frame. Air is taken in through a diffuser on the right side of the box and pulled out with a cool cube that is in the box, and then vented into the returns for the HVAC system. It is a great design (from Dennis) and completely eliminates all noise from the projector.


Here are some old photos of the build process:


















Wonderful build,great looking HT. Thinking of doing an in wall hush box for my HT. I'd like to get that cool-cube for my setup already made contact with Rick in sales. But I can't seem to locate where you got the glass for the projector lens port of the hush box. If you can and are willing may i have the link or name of the company you purchased it from? And thanks so much for the work along with the information you're providing others thru this excellent thread.





PeterV.
post #394 of 441
I noticed a lot of these have a step down tapered ceiling ... Any specific reason other than aesthetic ?
post #395 of 441
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post

I can't seem to locate where you got the glass for the projector lens port of the hush box. If you can and are willing may i have the link or name of the company you purchased it from?

Here is the link http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/windows-diffusers/visible-windows/anti-reflection-ar-coated-high-efficiency-windows/1919

Thank you for the kind words on the theater. We enjoy it more and more everytime we use it!
post #396 of 441
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by trek737 View Post


Do you have the link where you got the film and reel art that is right inside the door way?

Cheers,

Jim

Hey Jim, I found that at Garden Ridge of all places. I usually do not go for the "typical" movie theater decor, but I thought that was nice for the price (about $50).

We are still working on the entry way to our theater and have some ideas for the arched opening. I will post photos when we get that accomplished.
post #397 of 441
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I noticed a lot of these have a step down tapered ceiling ... Any specific reason other than aesthetic ?

I could not address whether there is an intended audio effect from the tapered ceiling. That is a question for Dennis.

But I know we loved the look of it when he designed it. We wanted something "non-traditional" for our HT and Dennis hit the nail on the head for us on his first attempt!
post #398 of 441
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Originally Posted by KBlaw2010 View Post

Hey Jim, I found that at Garden Ridge of all places. I usually do not go for the "typical" movie theater decor, but I thought that was nice for the price (about $50).

We are still working on the entry way to our theater and have some ideas for the arched opening. I will post photos when we get that accomplished.


KB,

Thanks for the info on the film reel art. It looks nice and it might go well in our game room which is right next to our HT. In our game room we ended up making two columns that are on both sides of the entrance to the HT with a header above with the name of our theater. And to the right of the entrance are two movie poster light boxes. The wall right beside the light boxes is empty and a movie reel art piece might just be the ticket for that spot.

Thanks again and looking forward to seeing your completed entrance photos when it is completed.

Cheers,

Jim
post #399 of 441
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Originally Posted by KBlaw2010 View Post

Here is the link http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/windows-diffusers/visible-windows/anti-reflection-ar-coated-high-efficiency-windows/1919

Thank you for the kind words on the theater. We enjoy it more and more everytime we use it!



Which size did you get, 1mm or 3mm by ? Thanks
post #400 of 441
3mm
post #401 of 441
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

If you have to ask, then....wink.gif

Hmmmmm. Just to set the record straight here. Erskine Group is one of, if not the, least expensive award winning design services in the industry. We start at $600. Heck, some designers charge you 10 grand just to talk to them and haven't even put pen to paper yet!
post #402 of 441
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Originally Posted by SierraMikeBravo View Post

Hmmmmm. Just to set the record straight here. Erskine Group is one of, if not the, least expensive award winning design services in the industry. We start at $600. Heck, some designers charge you 10 grand just to talk to them and haven't even put pen to paper yet!

Easy Mike, just making a joke. I am a client myself with a customized version of the service pricing schedule. Even if it was only a professional double-check, the value is there. But the fact that you get a full interior acoustic plan (my personal primary reason for purchasing the service), a full-out design plus the advice / consultation, it is a very good deal for the advanced member and uninitiated alike.


In other news, KBlaw's theater was referenced in Electronic House in an article regarding lighting a theater: http://www.electronichouse.com/article/lighting_your_home_theaters_best_friend?utm_source=EH_Connect&utm_medium=email
post #403 of 441
Since seeing this thread I will definitely be using Dennis's services. And after looking at prices I feel they are very good value. And thats coming from a very budget to no budget type of guy. I just have to wait till I have the space.
post #404 of 441
Hello

Fantastic cinema.

Can I please ask a question here that may be better elsewhere? But I'm new here so dont really know where to ask it!

Given the floor area, ceiling height and budget, what would be the reason for not going with the additional (relatively small in the scheme of things) on cost of upograding what I think is a 7.2 system with extra sides, to an 11.2 system?

I'm hoping that the answer is that if you get the basics right in terms of the room engineering etc. that it is just not necessary as the 7.2 system images just fine anyway, but I would be in terested in any comments.

Thanks

Anthony

(who is currently revising his house rebuild/remodel plans yet again to increase the home theatre ceiling height)
post #405 of 441
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on cost of upograding what I think is a 7.2 system with extra sides, to an 11.2 system?
What consumer available movie or audio sound track is available in an 11.2 format?

In order to take a 5.1 or 7.1 track to 11.2 (in other words, 6 or 8 discrete channels to 13 discrete channels), you have to play make believe. Ambiance extraction techniques used to fake you out can run from very nicely done to krap and that depends less on the surround processor and more on what is on the tracks and how they were recorded. IMO (and you can have your own), the end result is a nasty attempt to fool the listener into thinking there is more there than what is really there, an interesting way to over come defects in your room acoustics, and very gimmicky. (Get the idea I don't find that satisfying?)

This room, BTW, has six surround speakers each of which are individually calibrated (phase, SPL, FR, etc). That is done to provide even coverage over the listening area.
post #406 of 441
Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about matrixing 5.1 soundtracks to 7.1? I do agree with you on your stand about height speakers etc, but I have always had very good results by adding rear surrounds on a 5.1 mix.

EDIT: The reason I personally think it is acceptable to matrix the signal from 5.1 to 7.1 is, that the algorithm only uses the signal from the side-surrounds to add the rear surrounds. As these channels are already ambience channels, I dont think it can screw up as much compared to touching the LCR-signal.
Edited by JonasHansen - 6/18/13 at 5:45am
post #407 of 441
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

What consumer available movie or audio sound track is available in an 11.2 format?

In order to take a 5.1 or 7.1 track to 11.2 (in other words, 6 or 8 discrete channels to 13 discrete channels), you have to play make believe. Ambiance extraction techniques used to fake you out can run from very nicely done to krap and that depends less on the surround processor and more on what is on the tracks and how they were recorded. IMO (and you can have your own), the end result is a nasty attempt to fool the listener into thinking there is more there than what is really there, an interesting way to over come defects in your room acoustics, and very gimmicky. (Get the idea I don't find that satisfying?)

This room, BTW, has six surround speakers each of which are individually calibrated (phase, SPL, FR, etc). That is done to provide even coverage over the listening area.

So I got the answer I wanted then.

Thankyou
post #408 of 441
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

What consumer available movie or audio sound track is available in an 11.2 format?

In order to take a 5.1 or 7.1 track to 11.2 (in other words, 6 or 8 discrete channels to 13 discrete channels), you have to play make believe. Ambiance extraction techniques used to fake you out can run from very nicely done to krap and that depends less on the surround processor and more on what is on the tracks and how they were recorded. IMO (and you can have your own), the end result is a nasty attempt to fool the listener into thinking there is more there than what is really there, an interesting way to over come defects in your room acoustics, and very gimmicky. (Get the idea I don't find that satisfying?)

This room, BTW, has six surround speakers each of which are individually calibrated (phase, SPL, FR, etc). That is done to provide even coverage over the listening area.


Hello mr Erskine, in my setup I use 4 surround side speakers (two rows), and a pair at the back. How is it that one can calibrate individual (phase,spl and fr etc.) for the second pair of side speakers? In my case the second pair is simply hooked up to the denon 4311ci speaker terminal and the other is hooked up via the receivers input for the same using a separate amp. I let the Auddyssey do the calibrating.what am I doing wrong? All sounds excellent however I would love to have individual control of the second pair of surrounds other then the way I'm doing it. What else do I need to achieve this. Thank you Sir
post #409 of 441
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Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post

........How is it that one can calibrate individual (phase,spl and fr etc.) for the second pair of side speakers? .........
One method I have seen used many times will feed all pre-amp outputs to outboard DSP(s) for processing and route the DSP outputs to the power amps. DSP units utilized are such as made by QSC, Symetrix, BSS, etc. just making sure the unit will provide the level of PEQ, shelving, delay, level control, all-pass, and so on that would be required.
post #410 of 441
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Originally Posted by KBlaw2010 View Post


The box is closed to the room and has optical grade glass in the front removable frame. Air is taken in through a diffuser on the right side of the box and pulled out with a cool cube that is in the box, and then vented into the returns for the HVAC system. It is a great design (from Dennis) and completely eliminates all noise from the projector.


Here are some old photos of the build process:






Is there a shelf that the projector is sitting on that isn't shown? I'm curious how you get the projector in place and aligned since the door opens down.
post #411 of 441
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Originally Posted by jamin View Post

One method I have seen used many times will feed all pre-amp outputs to outboard DSP(s) for processing and route the DSP outputs to the power amps. DSP units utilized are such as made by QSC, Symetrix, BSS, etc. just making sure the unit will provide the level of PEQ, shelving, delay, level control, all-pass, and so on that would be required.




I'll look into this , I want to get more info. Thanks Jamin
post #412 of 441
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I'm curious how you get the projector in place and aligned since the door opens down.

Let's see. Let me think for a moment. Oh, yeah...it's called a ceiling mount bracket. smile.gif

(I only knew that since I spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express.)
post #413 of 441
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

Let's see. Let me think for a moment. Oh, yeah...it's called a ceiling mount bracket. smile.gif

(I only knew that since I spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express.)

You gotta upgrade and go with Marriott's or something....

Ok, I wasn't envisioning the hush box just surrounding/encompassing a ceiling mounted projector. In my mind I had the the hush box being the mounting apparatus. Makes a lot more sense now. All the way around. Not only how you would get the projector in there, but also doing all the fine tuning/adjustments with the bottom hatch open, and then sealing it up for quiet/heat isolation.

Great. So I assume I can expect a similar approach with my hush box (I'm the guy from Arkansas who always asks at least 7 questions in every email I send you about my room design... wink.gif )
post #414 of 441
I'll upgrade. Tonight the Omni in Dallas.
post #415 of 441
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

I'll upgrade. Tonight the Omni in Dallas.

There you go, and get yourself a nice steak at the Capital Grille.
post #416 of 441
Capital Grille, MY FAVORITE!!! Seafood Plateau and lobster Mac and cheese....!

Sorry for off topic post. wink.gif
post #417 of 441
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

I'll upgrade. Tonight the Omni in Dallas.
Nah, go eat at Fearing's or Pappas Bros Steak House.biggrin.gif
post #418 of 441
And poor me stuck down here working in Cabo San Lucas again...le'sigh.

Errr. On topic; Glad you are still enjoying the room KB!

Adam
post #419 of 441
Totally OT
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Originally Posted by appelz View Post

And poor me stuck down here working in Cabo......
Sigh--and you trying to single handedly wipe out their fine cigar inventory !!

In your absence I vectored the MuddlinThru across Texas to harass Erskine so we could Dis-Cuss you together.
more later

EDIT: Actually no Dissing or Cussing of you of course since you weren't there--it is no fun. However, the lack of proper dessert was cause for consternation!
Edited by jamin - 6/20/13 at 10:58pm
post #420 of 441
This is my most favorite theater I've seen on the boards. It single-handedly sold me on the Erskine Group for design plans when my time comes. While reading your thread, I noticed you referenced issues you had installing the fabric panels. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind posting a bit about how your fabric panels were done and speak about some of the issues? If you have some extra pictures on installing the fabric, that would be sublime. Thanks ahead.
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