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post #841 of 1087
But then you are not able to capture 2x1920x1080, if I understand that right - but maybe sbs-half only?
post #842 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

But then you are not able to capture 2x1920x1080, if I understand that right - but maybe sbs-half only?
That is correct if you were to capture from the output of the combiner but that's not my reason for buying it.
I'm only using it to watch the live 3D from the dual camcorders which I can only do via composite video now.
post #843 of 1087
So, Frank, with the stereo combiner, will you soon be investing in the Marshall Auto stereo monitor? It is a real honey of an instrument, complete with scopes for 3D analysis.
post #844 of 1087
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So, Frank, with the stereo combiner, will you soon be investing in the Marshall Auto stereo monitor? It is a real honey of an instrument, complete with scopes for 3D analysis.
Not if my wife has any say in it.

The combiner arrived and I tested it. It has an issue that needs to be corrected.
The issue is that the image is shifted left and doesn't fill the screen from side to side.
The 3D works but the parallax is wrong because of the side by side image not being in the center of the screen.
I called the seller and was told it can be adjusted but at the moment I have no manual and no idea how to do it.
I'm waiting for a call and an e-mail with a PDF of the manual.
post #845 of 1087
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Finally got the combiner calibrated with a lot of help from Neal at Intervideo.
It works perfectly and I'm quite satisfied. The thing is smaller then I expected.
My new LG 65LM6200 arrived today also but setting it up will have to wait till tomorrow.
The live 3D video from my dual Canon G10s looks fantastic on my LG 23" monitor.
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post #846 of 1087
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I made a short 3D video to show my initial hookup of the combiner and here it is:
Live 3D from dual camcorders
post #847 of 1087
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Just installed my new AVerMedia AVerTV HDDVR in my main computer and am very impressed.
Gives me high definition 3D in a resizable window and full screen high quality 3D.
Haven't hooked it up to the combiner yet but will tomorrow. I tried it with my JVC TD1 with the output set to side by side.
Strangely, I tried using my Sony TD10 and it refuses to output in side by side mode when connected to the AverMedia. Not sure why yet.

Played the live 3D video using stereoscopic Player set to output in checkerboard.
I'm using checkerboard mode on my new LG 65LM6200 rather then line interleaved because it looks better to me.
post #848 of 1087
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Just installed my new AVerMedia AVerTV HDDVR in my main computer and am very impressed.
Gives me high definition 3D in a resizable window and full screen high quality 3D.
Haven't hooked it up to the combiner yet but will tomorrow. I tried it with my JVC TD1 with the output set to side by side.
Strangely, I tried using my Sony TD10 and it refuses to output in side by side mode when connected to the AverMedia. Not sure why yet.
Played the live 3D video using stereoscopic Player set to output in checkerboard.
I'm using checkerboard mode on my new LG 65LM6200 rather then line interleaved because it looks better to me.

How do you like the LG, Frank? Does it have all the 3D modes the Samsung LCD does? I bought one of the 42" LG displays the other day at Best Buy, but I haven't picked it up yet. I like the idea of using passive for my editing computer. Active doesn't bother me for 3D movies, but a friend bought a 55" LG for his media program and I was really impressed with it. It was very bright and easy on the eyes. And it doesn't hurt that the 42" set came with 8 pairs of glasses (plus I have two more from 3D movies I saw at the theater). Still, I'm wondering if it's going to be much of an upgrade over the Samsung active LCD. That's why I haven't brought it home yet.
post #849 of 1087
I didn't know the AVerMedia AVerTV HDDVR supported 3D. Cool! I have a need for such a card. I avoided it in the past because I thought it didn't support 3D.
post #850 of 1087
Frank

how does the AVerTV HD DVR card behave if you capture 3D footage in 2x1920x1080? I have seen from the manual that the playback is in sbs-half or top-bottom-half only. So I do not expect that you can connect a TD10 that is not set to sbs-half - and then I would assume that the card captures 3D HD in sbs-half only?

And I understand that you will use it with the stereo combiner - so for a preview solution in sbs-half? That is a very interesting combination, I think.

A similar solution could be to use the Intensity Pro maybe - and to preview the sbs-half footage here? But also here the capturing will be possible at sbs-half at the best.
Edited by Wolfgang S. - 6/13/12 at 1:18am
post #851 of 1087
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How do you like the LG, Frank? Does it have all the 3D modes the Samsung LCD does? I bought one of the 42" LG displays the other day at Best Buy, but I haven't picked it up yet. I like the idea of using passive for my editing computer. Active doesn't bother me for 3D movies, but a friend bought a 55" LG for his media program and I was really impressed with it. It was very bright and easy on the eyes. And it doesn't hurt that the 42" set came with 8 pairs of glasses (plus I have two more from 3D movies I saw at the theater). Still, I'm wondering if it's going to be much of an upgrade over the Samsung active LCD. That's why I haven't brought it home yet.
How do I like the LG 65" passive TV??
Yesterday afternoon, my grand daughter and son and law helped me mount it in the living room cabinet where I had earlier removed my Samsung PN63C7000.
Right now, I'm waiting for my morning coffee and sitting back on the couch and typing this while watching the small text and unlike the Samsung, I can actually read it without any problem. Not only can I read it but it's in checkerboard 3D mode and I have the 3D glasses on. That would have been impossible with the Samsung.
A little early to say but at this point I don't mind saying it's the best TV experience I can remember.
So far I am very very happy.

P.S. Yes, Joe, It supports the same interlaced mods that the Samsung does but in a much less convoluted manner.
Edited by Frank - 6/13/12 at 3:45am
post #852 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

Frank
how does the AVerTV HD DVR card behave if you capture 3D footage in 2x1920x1080? I have seen from the manual that the playback is in sbs-half or top-bottom-half only. So I do not expect that you can connect a TD10 that is not set to sbs-half - and then I would assume that the card captures 3D HD in sbs-half only?
And I understand that you will use it with the stereo combiner - so for a preview solution in sbs-half? That is a very interesting combination, I think.
A similar solution could be to use the Intensity Pro maybe - and to preview the sbs-half footage here? But also here the capturing will be possible at sbs-half at the best.

I tried it last night with the combiner and at first it didn't work and I found it was because the combiner was outputting at 60P and the Avermedia is limited to 60i.
I set the combiner to 60i output and now it works fine.
Didn'thave much time to spend with it.
Hope to gain some experience with it today.
I think I'm going to get a PCI bus adapter for my laptop so I can use the Avermedia card on the go.

Of course all of this is limited to half res but I don't really care at this point because it's very impressive at that.
I can always get the full resolution from the camcorders themselves.
post #853 of 1087
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I believe I found the source of the combiner I got on EBay.

ftp://ftp.tvoneftp.com/SpecSheets/SpecSheet-1T-C2-750.pdf
post #854 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Frank View Post

How do I like the LG 65" passive TV??
Yesterday afternoon, my grand daughter and son and law helped me mount it in the living room cabinet where I had earlier removed my Samsung PN63C7000.
Right now, I'm waiting for my morning coffee and sitting back on the couch and typing this while watching the small text and unlike the Samsung, I can actually read it without any problem. Not only can I read it but it's in checkerboard 3D mode and I have the 3D glasses on. That would have been impossible with the Samsung.
A little early to say but at this point I don't mind saying it's the best TV experience I can remember.
So far I am very very happy.
P.S. Yes, Joe, It supports the same interlaced mods that the Samsung does but in a much less convoluted manner.

Great. I'll pick it up this afternoon. smile.gif
post #855 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Frank View Post

How do I like the LG 65" passive TV??
Yesterday afternoon, my grand daughter and son and law helped me mount it in the living room cabinet where I had earlier removed my Samsung PN63C7000.
Right now, I'm waiting for my morning coffee and sitting back on the couch and typing this while watching the small text and unlike the Samsung, I can actually read it without any problem. Not only can I read it but it's in checkerboard 3D mode and I have the 3D glasses on. That would have been impossible with the Samsung.
A little early to say but at this point I don't mind saying it's the best TV experience I can remember.
So far I am very very happy.
P.S. Yes, Joe, It supports the same interlaced mods that the Samsung does but in a much less convoluted manner.

I'll be installing the LG tonight. You're right about the Samsung's convoluted method to get access to checkerboard and other 3D modes. It's one of the most cryptic procedures I've ever seen on a consumer electronics product. If I like the LG enough, I'm considering replacing my Samsung PN64-D7000 with an LG display. The Samsung replaced a bad PN63-C8000, but it doesn't play nice with my JVC 3D camcorder signal. It was responsible for my sending the camcorder in for repair, where it got stuck for a couple of months. The only thing "wrong" with it was that it didn't show mp4 files from my camera properly on the Samsung. I tried it with one of the new LGs (and a Panasonic) at Best Buy and it worked perfectly. The other nice thing about the LGs I've seen is that if you're lined up correctly on the vertical, there's virtually no ghosting at all. My Samsung LCD ghosts pretty badly.
post #856 of 1087
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I hope you like it as much as I like my new 65LM6200.
If you only like it 1/2 as much you'll be very happy with it, I'm sure.
post #857 of 1087
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Better hold onto all those clips you shot with too great an inter-axial distance folks....
parallax adjustment tool

For only 22 thousand dollars a year (to rent) we can fix them. biggrin.gif
post #858 of 1087
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Better hold onto all those clips you shot with too great an inter-axial distance folks....
parallax adjustment tool
For only 22 thousand dollars a year (to rent) we can fix them. biggrin.gif

Wait for version 13 of Vegas Pro and the tool will be included as another slider in the 3D Stereoscopic adjust effect. smile.gif
post #859 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Wait for version 13 of Vegas Pro and the tool will be included as another slider in the 3D Stereoscopic adjust effect. smile.gif
If, unlike my version of Vegas Pro 11, the stereoscopic adjust function actually works, that will be fantastic.wink.gif
post #860 of 1087
I'm sure your version works too. Probably something simple you are not doing correctly. wink.gif
post #861 of 1087
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I'm sure your version works too. Probably something simple you are not doing correctly. wink.gif
I'm sure you're right and I'm just incompetent.
post #862 of 1087
What I have seen is that the cursor must be on the event in the Vegas timeline, to be able to run the autocorrection. If the cursor is not located on the timeline, nothing happens - no error message.

Mybe that is what you see, Frank?
post #863 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

What I have seen is that the cursor must be on the event in the Vegas timeline, to be able to run the autocorrection. If the cursor is not located on the timeline, nothing happens - no error message.
Mybe that is what you see, Frank?
I certainly wish that it was that simple.mad.gif
post #864 of 1087
Ok, but what is what you do see, Frank?
post #865 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

Ok, but what is what you do see, Frank?

I see that the stereoscopic adjust feature works the way I've always used it in my Version 10 and doesn't work at all in my version 11.
Tried everything that has been suggested and searched for a solution on line and ran out of time to pursue this and gave up for now.
Too many other things to do......
post #866 of 1087
Wolfgang- One annoyance I complain about with the 3D adjust effect is the key frame selection. There should be a way to click on something that turns on all the keyframe timelines. When I want to set up the auto correct as a keyframed set of events, I have to click on each of the clocks for each correction. Maybe you could suggest a button to open up all of them at once.

Also, if you do not open the timeline for a keyframe positioning the cursor mid clip will not add a keyframe automatically at that moment in time but will change the single keyframe at the beginning of the clip. If you first open the timeline by clicking on the clock, this will add a keyframe point mid clip and not change the opening keyframe. If the timelines were always open, we wouldn't need to worry about opening them and the keyframing would be MORE automatic and not change anything for the auto correct feature where only a single keyframe is needed at the beginning.
post #867 of 1087
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Wolfgang- One annoyance I complain about with the 3D adjust effect is the key frame selection. There should be a way to click on something that turns on all the keyframe timelines. When I want to set up the auto correct as a keyframed set of events, I have to click on each of the clocks for each correction. Maybe you could suggest a button to open up all of them at once.

I can do so - but my experience is that SCS has its own ideas about the features but also the corrections they decide to implement. If you use the plugin in the track, you have not to click on every clock in every event - then it is enough to do that one time. My impression is that SCS has more the understanding that this can be used at the track level, but not at the event level.

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Also, if you do not open the timeline for a keyframe positioning the cursor mid clip will not add a keyframe automatically at that moment in time but will change the single keyframe at the beginning of the clip. If you first open the timeline by clicking on the clock, this will add a keyframe point mid clip and not change the opening keyframe. If the timelines were always open, we wouldn't need to worry about opening them and the keyframing would be MORE automatic and not change anything for the auto correct feature where only a single keyframe is needed at the beginning.

I also see not really a sense that it is necessary to enable the keyframes with the clock - to my opinion that could be enabled as default.
post #868 of 1087
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My impression is that SCS has more the understanding that this can be used at the track level, but not at the event level.

That would differ from the way they teach it in class. The hands on session is taught using event level adjustments.
post #869 of 1087
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I see that the stereoscopic adjust feature works the way I've always used it in my Version 10 and doesn't work at all in my version 11.
Tried everything that has been suggested and searched for a solution on line and ran out of time to pursue this and gave up for now.
Too many other things to do......

I couldn't burn an iso image in Vegas 11 until I removed Virtual Clone Drive. I never had a problem with the function in Vegas 10. A fresh reinstall, outlined for me by Sony, didn't help. I had to use a different utility to mount iso files. Now, if I try to import several files into a project, Vegas 11 crashes. Importing 1, 2 or 3 files at a time usually works, although I still experience random crashes. Still no response from Sony on this new issue. For small projects, I can limp by now. I won't even attempt a big project in Vegas until I can get this fixed. I"m crippled.
post #870 of 1087
This is so weird. I could not burn a playable 3D iso in Vegas 10 or 11 until I learned here to close Virtual Clone Drive and use the DVDFab clone tool instead. But I can import a lot of files into Veags 11 fine. I had crashes if I used other techniques, but so long as I copy the group of files from Windows Explorer, and then past into the timeline, it goes fine. Try not using the file import system in Vegas, and just copy from an ordinary Explorer window.
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