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post #1051 of 1176
I don't have the 876 yet. reseacrhing a better than 465 AVR.

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Originally Posted by stevethebrain View Post

I don't have the 876 yet. reseacrhing a better than 465 AVR.
Research will be faster if you get the number right - V867. It's discontinued anyway.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v867/?mode=model
post #1053 of 1176
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Originally Posted by CD_in_NM View Post

I am not an expert on HDMI by any means, but here is a theory. If anyone sees holes in this, please correct me.

HDMI specs define the protocol but not everyone implements the protocol the same. There can be a lot of communicatin problems with HDMI. What may be happening is a handshaking problem. As an example, take a blue ray player and a TV. This is a simplified version of the handshake sequence. When you first turn them on, the BR (source) queries the TV. The TV has a chip that contains identity information and the TV returns that info to the BR. When the BR is satisfied that it is talking to a legal device, it will establish a link with the TV. It then passes encryption keys to the TV which the TV uses to decrypt protected content passed from the BR. If there is not a successful handshake, the BR will not send out any content and may or may not generate error messages. It is possible that when you turn off the TV, the HDMI interface in the BR is not reinitializing. When you try to connect to the 3D, the BR remembers the info from the TV and refuses to play because it is not the same device. One of the signals in an HDMI cable is called Hot Plug Detect. This allows a source to detect when a device is plugged in or uplugged and it will reinitialize the HDMI interface. In your case, the BR would then negotiate a connection with the 3D. Once the BR to 3D connection has been negotiated, the BR would probably ignore the TV. It is possible that the DirecTV, another source, is not reinitializing its interface as well. Again, just a theory.

If the above is true, a 1 X 2 switch would probably cure the problem. When you switch from one HDMI path to the other, the Hot Plug Detect signal should temporarily disconnect causing the HDMI to reinitialize. There could be two problems that I can think of. 1 - You would most likely end up with either the TV or 3D, but not both at the same time. If you did find a switch that output both channels at the same time, you would probably end up with the same handshake problems. 2 - from what I have read, most switches have no problem passing HD video, but it may take a bit of trial and error to find one that will pass full HD audio. On the bright side, there are IR remote controlled switches available so you will not need to get up to change the switch.

Good luck. Let us know what your solution turns out to be.

Thanks for the detailed info on the handshaking issues. I have an issue that I fear I have tracked down to improper handshaking/switching defect in my RX-V867.
Anytime I try running two permanently connected HDMI 1 & 2 output devices (any two of the following: Vizio plasma TV, Panasonic projector, Insignia Lcd TV), I have a HDMI sync issue.
When one of the devices is OFF the display on the remaining live output keeps flashing - losing HDMI sync. If both output devices are ON there is no issue.
I have tried a myriad of different HDMI cables of many different lengths and brands (including the newest type one-directional types), as well as different HDMI sources (Sat receiver, Roku stb, laptop PC, etc...) I recently updated the v867 firmware to the very latest available v 2.34, but this issue has remained throughout with the different firmware. None of the HDMI sources have any issues syncing directly to any of the HDMI TVs etc...,

The receiver is set to HDMI 1 + 2 mode for the output. I have tried turning HDMI control off and turned on pass through on receiver, and played with CEC control settings on TVs but none of the settings changes seem to make any difference.
Has anyone run into a sync issue with the dual outputs of the receiver - is there a history of sync issues with it ?
Have I missed anything or is this really a case of a defective RX-V867 ? I have only recently added the permanent additional HDMI sources so I have not run into this problem before. Would appreciate any testing, or settings suggestions.
It seems silly to have to buy a HDMI switcher because the RX-V867 can't properly switch outputs without losing sync.




Has anyone seen similar issues,
post #1054 of 1176
Mine works as it is supposed to as reported earlier. Have you tried reversing the outputs?
post #1055 of 1176
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Originally Posted by HDTVman View Post

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When one of the devices is OFF the display on the remaining live output keeps flashing - losing HDMI sync. If both output devices are ON there is no issue... The receiver is set to HDMI 1 + 2 mode for the output.

When you turn off one of the displays, why don't you use the HDMI OUT button to indicate you only want one to use one of the outputs (HDMI 1 or HDMI 2)? If you leave it set to HDMI 1 + 2 you can run into problems with some displays, because even though you switched off a display it doesn't necessarily turn off it's HDMI port completely, and it can (apparently) confuse the receiver.

You can use SCENEs to automate this, because the active HDMI outputs can be stored as part of a SCENE.
post #1056 of 1176
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

When you turn off one of the displays, why don't you use the HDMI OUT button to indicate you only want one to use one of the outputs (HDMI 1 or HDMI 2)? If you leave it set to HDMI 1 + 2 you can run into problems with some displays, because even though you switched off a display it doesn't necessarily turn off it's HDMI port completely, and it can (apparently) confuse the receiver.
+1.

I had a similar story with my new Panny 65VT50 which is now on HDMI-2 out of my V867, with my old Sony 34XBR960 on HDMI-1 out of the 867.

The 65VT50 accepts 1080p, but the 960 can only handle 1080i. The Oppo BDP-103 source device (on the other side of the 867) sees BOTH of these displays when HDMI 1+2 is in effect on the 867 and both TV's are on. So the 1080i resolution is "negotiated" in order to feed both sets simultaneously through the 867, if they're both on and I want to use them both.

If the Sony is powered off (i.e. in "standby") the 103 will send 1080p through the 867 and on to the Panny. If the Panny is powered off the 103 will send 1080i through the 867 and on to the Sony.

But if the Panny is already on (along with the 103 and 867) so that the 103 is sending 1080p to the Panny, and I then power on the Sony, there is another HDMI-handshake which occurs along with a repeat of the resolution negotiation, and this time the Sony requires 1080i so the 103 changes from its previous 1080p to now 1080i, to satisfy both the Sony and the Panny.

Now if instead of using the 103 (with its "smart" HDMI handshaking capability when it's the source) as the source device, I instead use a Linksys DMA2100 going through the 103's external HDMI input, the same type of re-handshake re-negotiation involving the 103 does NOT occur when I power the Sony on second. So the 1080p which was in effect (from the 103) for the Panny is not changed to 1080i to satisfy the Sony, and the Sony now presents a black screen (because it can't handle 1080p source).

Strangely, no amount of fooling around with the 103 and 867 can now trigger a reinitiation of the HDMI handshake so that the 103 drops back to 1080i from the originally determined 1080p. The only way I can reinitiate the HDMI handshake is to power off the Panny, OR... use the "HDMI OUT" button on the 867 to specify "HDMI 2" (instead of "HDMI 1+2"). And of course once the handshake is performed, the 103 decided on 1080i as the output and the Sony once again displays properly.


This HDMI multi-device-relay-chain combined with multi-display on the output side has always been problematic. It appears we humans can understand what results are desired far better than all of the hardware/software involved along the HDMI network chain.

And sometimes we just have to take matters manually into our own hands, or "simplify" things in the network as seen by the HDMI negotiators who remain involved. The HDMI OUT button on the 867 is exactly one way to simplify things when multiple displays with different characteristics are connected to both HDMI1 and HDMI2. And in virtually all situation using this button to designate WHICH HDMI display output is "live" (no matter that state of the other display and its HDMI visibility) is the correct and simplest solution. It gets the job done.
post #1057 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Research will be faster if you get the number right - V867. It's discontinued anyway.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v867/?mode=model
woops I meant 867. waiting for response on firmware ?s STB
post #1058 of 1176
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Originally Posted by stevethebrain View Post

woops I meant 867. waiting for response on firmware ?s STB
Quick answers
0. do all 876s require a firmware update even new units?
1.I only have wireless internet connection what type of wireless bridge is recommended for both firmware and internet radio?
2.or can I downdown the FW to my PC (thats connected to AVR w/ a HDMI cable) then transfer it to the 876? if yes what is the procedure?
3.is it possiable that a incorrect firmware update could ruin the 876?
Last ? for right now how much better will a 876 sound wise and video wise be compared to the Yamaha RXV465?
Please excuse me I haven't read the intire 876 thread which I intend on, these are 4 quick ?

0. Probably not.
1. No simple answer. I use a WNDR4000 with a wired connection.
2. 867 gets the update by the procedure on the web site. No other method is documented.
3. Doubtful it would load it.
4. No idea.
post #1059 of 1176
Regardless, it is a discontinued model, 2 models back. The x73 is on the verge of being discontinued.
post #1060 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Mine works as it is supposed to as reported earlier. Have you tried reversing the outputs?
Sure have - unfortunately no joy and using the HDMI button is really not a great option for me. Broke down and ordered a splitter. Hopefully that will bypass the issue. we shall see in a few days ;-)
post #1061 of 1176

My friend has a RCN-provided TIVO Quad {and several Previews}. It drives a RX-V765, as does a DVD player. All go to a Samsung flat panel. All cabling is HDMI.

In the past, the older TIVO's remote would start the Yamaha, TV and of course the TIVO.

 

But the Quad does not now power-up the Yamaha receiver. He must use the Yamaha remote to turn it on.


How do I troubleshoot this issue?

post #1062 of 1176
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

When you turn off one of the displays, why don't you use the HDMI OUT button to indicate you only want one to use one of the outputs (HDMI 1 or HDMI 2)? If you leave it set to HDMI 1 + 2 you can run into problems with some displays, because even though you switched off a display it doesn't necessarily turn off it's HDMI port completely, and it can (apparently) confuse the receiver.

You can use SCENEs to automate this, because the active HDMI outputs can be stored as part of a SCENE.

This solved all my problems by the way. I had never even noticed the HDMI Out button.
post #1063 of 1176
Mine still working perfect. Love the Pandora feature best. I hit the Digital Music button on my fancy remote control, and it starts playing Depeche Mode Radio. As it's just background music for cleaning or getting up in the morning, I don't mind the repetition.

Nice to see kriktsemaj99 is still around smile.gif
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I have a question. If I hit the Digital Music button on my Harmony, and I am already set to Pandora, it cycles as if you hit the NET button on the remote. When I try to get back to Pandora from using the the receiver's front panel controls, I can't do it...the input selector does not cycle through the NET options.
post #1065 of 1176
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I have a question. If I hit the Digital Music button on my Harmony, and I am already set to Pandora, it cycles as if you hit the NET button on the remote. When I try to get back to Pandora from using the the receiver's front panel controls, I can't do it...the input selector does not cycle through the NET options.
When I hit the net button on the Yamaha remote it takes me to Pandora if that's where I left that input. Nice, since I don't need the TV turned on. I guess taking the V867 out of standby returns to where is was last with any scene or input source. However with the Net as a source, going to any other input does not stop the streaming. That could be a bandwidth issue for some. I always return to standby first.

Bottom line: it's the remote.
post #1066 of 1176
Right it goes to Pandora if it was last there. That's lovely.

But if I hit the Digital Music activity on the Harmony remote, it's as if I hit the NET button on the remote. So now it's no longer on Pandora (for example, I forgot I was already on Pandora, and pushed the Digital Music on the Harmony again.)

I could only fix the problem using the receiver's remote to cycle through the NET options. I could find nothing on the front panel to cycle through the NET options.
post #1067 of 1176
You can press stop on the remote to stop streaming before you go to another output. This is a very strange way to implement streaming...

Michael, just program a button on the harmony to do the net signal. It's the activity that is causing the problem.
post #1068 of 1176
I don't need to stop streaming. I can try to program the NET button for the Harmony which would let me cycle to the proper input. I will have to figure out how to do that. The idea of an expensive remote like Harmony is to not have to do extra programming IMO. I write software for living - when home messing with such things is the last thing I want to do wink.gif
post #1069 of 1176
Right, but the harmony activities are unaware of the current state, so it has no way of knowing. If you don't use an activity and issue individual commands, it won't happen.
post #1070 of 1176
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Originally Posted by one wolf View Post

Starting yesterday (2/24/2012), when I try listening to Sirius Internet, all I get is "not connected" on the display. I have tried:

- receiver reboot

- router reboot

- cable modem reboot


All the other internet streaming medias work fine like pandora.


I wonder if Sirius has made server side changes and if so if Yamaha will need a firmware update or if this is specific to me? Anybody else seeing this yesterday/today?

I use my V867 at some point almost every day for Sirius Internet Radio. Starting two days ago (March 15), I could no longer access the service. Yesterday I spent several hours (really!) on the phone with both Sirius and Yamaha tech support. They had me try many things, including a reset to factory defaults – which wiped out a LOT of settings I had made. No mention was ever made of a firmware update.

Today, upon reading your post, I updated to Firmware Version 2.34 and it fixed the problem. There is absolutely no excuse that Sirius, Yamaha (especially), or I (most importantly) should not have thought to do this at the beginning.

I don’t know why I was able to continue to use Sirius IR for several weeks longer than you before the firmware update.
post #1071 of 1176
Yeah, and I have a random dlna server disappearance... It was not there yesterday, but was today. Everything else on the network sees it. I think most of the problems are on the Yamaha side. It is after all, 3 years old. The fact that we got any new firmware amazes me.
post #1072 of 1176
I hope I did the right thing, I just bought one of these as NOS (new old stock) for $399
post #1073 of 1176
I haven't made any price comparisons since I bought mine, but I'm sure you will like your V867. I have been very happy with everything about the V867 until my recent (and only) experience with tech support. And this was not a problem with the unit itself, just a lack of knowledge regarding a firmware update. (Be sure to update if you subscribe to Sirius Internet Radio)
post #1074 of 1176
A great price (the NOS price) for a competent receiver.
post #1075 of 1176
Newegg had the 773 for a little more, it's eol now since the 75s are here. The 8 series appears to be gone with the 7 having dual hdmi and analog outs.
post #1076 of 1176
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Originally Posted by WWIIBuff View Post

I hope I did the right thing, I just bought one of these as NOS (new old stock) for $399

i bought mine on closeout for $430 i think, i love it. only think i don't like is that the volume bar shows up on the screen when you adjust it, but it's not that big of a deal
post #1077 of 1176
It's a feature!
post #1078 of 1176
I turned on my receiver today and was offered a new firmware - v2.43

The release notes say the following:

1. Lets you continue using Rhapsody/Napster* service
2. Improves network function stability

I'm particularly happy about #2!! Often had problems accessing the receiver via iPhone/Android app.
post #1079 of 1176

Anyone using Dish VIP722K satellite receiver sending HDMI to the V867? I bought one used for my sister and the HDMI acted like it was a bad cable or port. I switched cables, plugged it into my TV where it worked fine. Reboot sequence had no effect.

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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Anyone using Dish VIP722K satellite receiver sending HDMI to the V867? I bought one used for my sister and the HDMI acted like it was a bad cable or port. I switched cables, plugged it into my TV where it worked fine. Reboot sequence had no effect.

Call Dish and get it replaced. Sign up for the home protection plan at $6/mo to save on shipping fees and a technician visit. I had the same problem with my 722k and my HK AVR 247.
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