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post #661 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Who needs hd radio when you have intenet radio? Most of the 128kbps stations sound fantastic. I believe that's a higher bitrate than most hd radio.

Because it's there? Actually, many station have both. And, being really old school, I like "IP radio" since many of the station on the internet have no broadcast equivalent. If it has call letters then it's an internet feed of a regular station. If it only has a name then it's IP Radio. Like cable, sort of. I sometimes wonder if the FCC has any control over IP radio. Probably like cable too.

I do agree, IP radio stations usually sound great. I wish the V867 had a buffer and would break the connection when changing inputs. It was posted earlier to use the square stop button to kill the stream in case you get charged for usage. I had to call Yamaha tech support to learn that.

But I can get my local station with WMP on my computer. Yet while vTuner lets me enter the IP address into my addons, I get no sound or errors from the V867. I wonder why.

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post #662 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

But I can get my local station with WMP on my computer. Yet while vTuner lets me enter the IP address into my addons, I get no sound or errors from the V867. I wonder why.

On my Pioneer, some worked and some did not. I'm not sure what formats the Yamaha supports since I've never tried entering one.

I was the one that discovered that nasty buffering bug, but it was worse back then. It kept buffering when the unit was off, now it just buffers when it is on if you don't press stop.
post #663 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

On my Pioneer, some worked and some did not. I'm not sure what formats the Yamaha supports since I've never tried entering one.

I was the one that discovered that nasty buffering bug, but it was worse back then. It kept buffering when the unit was off, now it just buffers when it is on if you don't press stop.

I tried http://209.50.129.233:8080/WKOK given to me by the station engineer to try. No luck, but I might not have V6 IP support on my router.

I turned Net Standby to OFF, so the streaming would always die. I think you meant to say "streams" not "buffers", since I don't detect any buffer from the internet streams like I get on my Blu-ray or TV. I only have the LED indicators on my router to use for reference, so I might be wrong. Both the V867 and the router and the cable modem have had firmware updates since I last checked this issue. Things change.
post #664 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

An alternative is Nero. I have also used it with XP (no Win 7 version at the time) and it worked ok. You are looking for a good DLNA server? So am I.

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Originally Posted by milrtime83 View Post

It sounds like you are looking for an alternate DLNA server as the one built into WMP isn't very good. I don't have my V867 yet so I haven't tested anything with it specifically. However, I do use a DLNA Server for other media streaming and have been using http://tversity.com/ It seems to work much better than WMP. I still use Mediamonkey to organize my music files and to play it on the local machine and use Tversity just for the DLNA streaming.

Mediamonkey 4 is suppose to include a DLNA server as well. It is currently in beta testing and can be found in their forums if you want to give it a try.

I appreciate the suggestions! The MediaMonkey 4.0.0.1448 beta is working well for me. It took me several hours to figure out how to get it to to display the album information the way I like, and it does have some bugs (it's a beta), but the bugs I've come across do not affect the media sharing (DLNA server).

I'd still be happy to hear from others on this issue, since easily playing network music files from the 867 is important to me. One advantage of MediaMonkey is that the standard version is free!
post #665 of 1176
Anyone have any issues with Rhapsody playlist from your receiver??? It worked for the couple of months but now there are a couple of songs that hang in the same spot every time I play them. I tried to recreate the playlist and still the same result. I will say from my smart phone or from a PC these songs play fine. There is something messed up on the receiver. I wish I could logout from Rhapsody but I see no way???

I have also tried to upgrading to the new 867 firmware with the same result.

Thanks for any input
post #666 of 1176
Is there a way to get this receiver to pass through hdmi or that just not going to happen? I want to be able to run my htpc without the receiver and external amps running. Do I need to find a HDMI switch?
post #667 of 1176
I have never tried, but it works, rtm.
post #668 of 1176
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Originally Posted by digital desire View Post

Is there a way to get this receiver to pass through hdmi or that just not going to happen? I want to be able to run my htpc without the receiver and external amps running. Do I need to find a HDMI switch?


I don't have the need for that, but I swear I saw that option in one of the on-screen menus.
post #669 of 1176
I have been using my JBL DCR600II A/V which has speaker terminals that power my passive in wall sub. I upgraded to the RX-V867 and am trying to send the Subwoofer output from the V867 to the JBL's subwoofer input under the 6 channel direct input...then powering the sub off the JBL via the speaker terminals, but it is not working.

Does anyone have experience using the V867's 6 channel direct output wiring? Has anyone tried passing the subwoofer output through an external amp rather than a powered subwoofer? I have seen the parts express amplifier plates, but wanted to use my old unit and save a few bucks. Thoughts?
post #670 of 1176
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Originally Posted by digital desire View Post

Is there a way to get this receiver to pass through hdmi or that just not going to happen? I want to be able to run my htpc without the receiver and external amps running. Do I need to find a HDMI switch?

Hi digital desire, Standby Through option is found under HDMI menu in Setup.
post #671 of 1176
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Originally Posted by andy_zim View Post

I have been using my JBL DCR600II A/V which has speaker terminals that power my passive in wall sub. I upgraded to the RX-V867 and am trying to send the Subwoofer output from the V867 to the JBL's subwoofer input under the 6 channel direct input...then powering the sub off the JBL via the speaker terminals, but it is not working.

Does anyone have experience using the V867's 6 channel direct output wiring? Has anyone tried passing the subwoofer output through an external amp rather than a powered subwoofer? I have seen the parts express amplifier plates, but wanted to use my old unit and save a few bucks. Thoughts?

It should work, an amp is an amp. Be aware that many older AVRs have special setup requirements when using the multi-channel inputs. Just doublt-check to be sure you are using the correct sub jack on the Yamaha, and not the sub input.
post #672 of 1176
Has anyone tried using the 7.1 outputs? I have an old 2 channel amp and decided to use it to put music in my office. It works differently than I expected. Instead of sending a static output, it varies with the volume of the receiver. That seems strange since the zone 2 audio output says fixed.

Also, it sends surround, so if you are just using l+r like I am and you are on a tv input, there is a good chance you won't hear any dialog, just surround.
post #673 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi digital desire, Standby Through option is found under HDMI menu in Setup.

Got it, as suggested, I RTFM. But the problem now is it is stripping the audio out. Video is working fine.
post #674 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Has anyone tried using the 7.1 outputs? I have an old 2 channel amp and decided to use it to put music in my office. It works differently than I expected. Instead of sending a static output, it varies with the volume of the receiver. That seems strange since the zone 2 audio output says fixed.

Also, it sends surround, so if you are just using l+r like I am and you are on a tv input, there is a good chance you won't hear any dialog, just surround.

Being a little confused. You have a 2ch stereo source? Then you select 7.1 music? You have a center channel but it's silent?

You may wish to enable DSP to get every channel something to do. I don't have a center speaker, so the V867 splits the center data to the front speakers. But if you don't have speakers to play the sound field requested, things can be messed up. The front panel always shows the active speakers as far as I can tell.

If you are trying to get the zone 2 working, please ignore my post. I have no experience in that area. Many here do though.
post #675 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Has anyone tried using the 7.1 outputs? I have an old 2 channel amp and decided to use it to put music in my office. It works differently than I expected. Instead of sending a static output, it varies with the volume of the receiver. That seems strange since the zone 2 audio output says fixed.

Also, it sends surround, so if you are just using l+r like I am and you are on a tv input, there is a good chance you won't hear any dialog, just surround.

Yamaha does not recommend using the multichannel outputs for any channels that are also being used to drive speakers, so you'd be better served by using a different output. The m-ch outs are variable, yes. Use a zone output in your situation, that's what they are meant for.
post #676 of 1176
Good suggestion, but zone2 does not work. Possibly because I am using height speakers? Audio out does, and it works with internet radio! Also the volume level is independent of the receiver.
post #677 of 1176
Hi guys, just set up my unit and can't get the sub to work. Is there any option for a non-amplified sub besides running an additional amp for it? If that's the case, I'm going to buy a new sub with a built-in amp.
post #678 of 1176
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Originally Posted by 123 View Post

Hi guys, just set up my unit and can't get the sub to work. Is there any option for a non-amplified sub besides running an additional amp for it? If that's the case, I'm going to buy a new sub with a built-in amp.

Should you decide to buy a powered sub, check the forum for comments on its performance and characteristics. Also, since it's powered, it will need power.

I do NOT recommend the Sony SA-W2500. In power saver mode it needs a lot of signal to become enabled, and it has a noisy relay when it does turn off and on.
post #679 of 1176
Long time lurker but first time poster. I finally replaced my trusty HTR-5660 with the RX-867 as I needed the extra functionality and I/O ports, i.e. HDMI.
Has anyone experienced a hang at the "Verifying" message during a firmware update? My 867 will process through the Network Update message and within about one minute will display "Verifying." I've let it verify for over an hour several times while reading this forum and no joy.

Restarted the process numerous times with the same result. The unit ships with version 1.01 and having read 18 pages of this thread and much of the V667/V767 thread my dang head is hurting and I'm ready to hit the rack. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


RX-V867 Firmware Update
Thanks to the 867's networking feature the firmware update is much easier than performing it on the 667. That said... the 867 owners manual doesn't do a very good job of explaining the specific process. After flipping back and forth through the owners manual to determine the necessary steps I decided to write down the step by step instructions to save myself from future aggravation.

NOTE: During this firmware update process don't bother attempting to use your TV or the on screen display. Although there may be information displayed... you'll be performing all the firmware update steps via the display on the front of the receiver. Also... although you may have a functioning wireless network... for this firmware update I'd suggest using a hardwired internet connection just to play it safe. (would be a shame to have the network drop the connection

FIRMWARE UPDATE STEPS FOR THE YAMAHA RX-V867

Perform all the following steps on the front of your receiver

1) Turn the 867 OFF - NOTE: When the unit is off, this is what Yamaha calls Standby Mode... (only the red LED on the left side of the unit will be glowing)
2) With the unit Off... on the front of the receiver, press and hold in the STRAIGHT button, then... while holding the STRAIGHT button depressed... power the unit on. (i.e, press the button labeled MAIN ZONE).
.... Almost immediately the receiver display will show ADVANCED SETUP. (watch closely as the advanced setup message is only on the display for a few seconds before it will change to SP IMP. 8ohmMIN)
3) Rotate the PROGRAM selector knob until you see FIRM UPDATE in the receiver display
4) Press the INFO button on the front of the receiver. - Almost immediately the receiver display will show NETWORK UPDATE, ... at this point (if your unit is downlevel) the firmware update process will begin.

NOTE: Be aware the Firmware update takes about 16 minutes. So be patient. DO NOT power down your receiver during the update process. (in fact, just to be safe, I wouldn't do anything with the setup during the update process.)
When the firmware update is finished the display will show UPDATE SUCCESS...followed by the message PLEASE POWER OFF

That's it... after you power the unit off and back on you will be at the current firmware level.[/quote]
post #680 of 1176
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Originally Posted by seasound View Post

Long time lurker but first time poster. I finally replaced my trusty HTR-5660 with the RX-867 as I needed the extra functionality and I/O ports, i.e. HDMI.
Has anyone experienced a hang at the "Verifying" message during a firmware update? My 867 will process through the Network Update message and within about one minute will display "Verifying." I've let it verify for over an hour several times while reading this forum and no joy.

Restarted the process numerous times with the same result. The unit ships with version 1.01 and having read 18 pages of this thread and much of the V667/V767 thread my dang head is hurting and I'm ready to hit the rack. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

That's it... after you power the unit off and back on you will be at the current firmware level.

I started with 1.01 also and performed all the updates without any problems. They do seem to take forever. I assume the network is working ok and you can stream IP radio. You don't need an update for that. As for the wireless, I don't know if that would be an issue unless you have a CAT5 to WiFi adapter. My V867 is wired to my router which is wired to my modem.

I wonder though, has anyone gone from 1.01 straight to 2.19? Also, is there any problem if you ping the V867 from your computer?
post #681 of 1176
This reciever will convert analog component signals to HDMI output, right? For non-HD component output, how good is the conversion? I wonder if it is likely to be better than the electronics in my display, a 50" Fujitsu plasma.
post #682 of 1176
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Originally Posted by CKarras View Post

This reciever will convert analog component signals to HDMI output, right? For non-HD component output, how good is the conversion? I wonder if it is likely to be better than the electronics in my display, a 50" Fujitsu plasma.

It's mediocre at best, whether the input is SD or HD. Your display will certainly do a better job.
post #683 of 1176
So the 2 things people complain about most is the volume display on the screen and the crappy owner manual. The question I have is how big is the on screen volume and where I it located? 399 seems like a great price for this receiver if those are the only problems.
post #684 of 1176
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Originally Posted by Meers View Post

So the 2 things people complain about most is the volume display on the screen and the crappy owner manual. The question I have is how big is the on screen volume and where I it located? 399 seems like a great price for this receiver if those are the only problems.

I guess I'm neutral on the volume display and I printed the docs a while ago. The black box with the number is stupid and Yamaha could have at least made it translucent. I guess it depends how much it bothers you, how often you change the volume, and are you mad about it or is it comments from others that push your button. True, it takes a while to figure out that the number on the front panel is so dim as to be useless, and you should look at the screen if the number is important as opposed to how your ears like the sound level. The front panel display of volume gets big only when changed.

It was more important months ago, but my cable company managed to level the audio on all the channels. My radio input and Blu-ray are still higher and lower than the others, but a lot depends on the time of day/night and how I'm feeling.

But some find it really bad. I find school closings worse. It helps that I don't use CEC or ARC, so half the time my V867 is not feeding my TV video.

The counters displayed during IP radio and Pandora are stupid too. But who's complaining?
post #685 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I started with 1.01 also and performed all the updates without any problems. They do seem to take forever. I assume the network is working ok and you can stream IP radio. You don't need an update for that. As for the wireless, I don't know if that would be an issue unless you have a CAT5 to WiFi adapter. My V867 is wired to my router which is wired to my modem.

I wonder though, has anyone gone from 1.01 straight to 2.19? Also, is there any problem if you ping the V867 from your computer?

Okay, one down one to go. My entertainment system is located in the "Family" room. My router and modem are in my office. I had previously run 2 Cat5s out of router LAN ports up the office wall across the attic and dropped one behind the rather heavy, and pain to move, 5 section wall unit and the other behind "my" stressless chair. Rather than going to the hassle of running another Cat5 I decided to use a very old (non-wireless) D-Link router as a switch thereby creating a sub-LAN2 which would give me 3 additional ports at the entertainment array. When doing this I had to manually assign this new LAN2 an IP Address 192.168.182.2 (this required turning off the DHCP in the V867. I realized that I had not pointed the Default Gateway to 192.168.182.1 and instead had directed it to 192.168.182.2.

After all of this I eliminated the new LAN2, enabled the DHCP in the 867 and plugged the original Cat5 into the 867. Presto! Unit Firmware updated--imagine that LOL.

I still have one spare port in my office which I'll have to fish another Cat5 up, across, and down to the entertainment wall. While doing all of this I realized that my data server was on LAN1 so what I was trying to do was just going to create another problem.

As it stands now I'll run another cable, use the wireless function on my Panasonic DMP-BDT210, and use the other two LAN1 connections for the new V867 and my Direct TV receiver.

Thanks for the input and at some point today I'll pose another question about my powered sub-woofer which doesn't want to cooperate with the 867.
post #686 of 1176
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Originally Posted by seasound View Post

Thanks for the input and at some point today I'll pose another question about my powered sub-woofer which doesn't want to cooperate with the 867.

No problem. The OSD has a manual speaker test mode to verify your connections.
post #687 of 1176
I'm sure I did not follow all that about wirinig, but wouldn't adding a switch at the end of one of those cables simplify matters?

Any other thoughts on the component to HDMI conversion this unit does?
post #688 of 1176
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Originally Posted by CKarras View Post

I'm sure I did not follow all that about wirinig, but wouldn't adding a switch at the end of one of those cables simplify matters?

Any other thoughts on the component to HDMI conversion this unit does?

I'm not sure if you are responding to something I posted (using the quote response makes it easier), but I'm not a network genius by any means. I know some of the fundamentals but bridging subnets is past me.

I haven't used component in years. My system is all HDMI except for the TV optical output and a radio on the Audio1 input. The HDMI setting on my V867 is set to "pass through" on a Blu-ray and two DVRs that do their own 1080p upconversion a whole bunch better than the AVR.
post #689 of 1176
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Originally Posted by CKarras View Post

I'm sure I did not follow all that about wirinig, but wouldn't adding a switch at the end of one of those cables simplify matters?

Any other thoughts on the component to HDMI conversion this unit does?

You know...I just finished moving a 6 shelf by 8 foot high bookcase in my office to gain access to my fishing hole. I then measured and figured I need 100ft of Cat5. I just sat down to shop some Cat5 and then took a look at a Netgear 5-Port Gigabit Ethernet Switch 10/100/1000 Mbps. What I described in my post was converting an old router to a switch. I had located a post on Computing Net about doing this, and the author of that post indicated that the "new" switch was basically a sub-LAN.

My question now is will the above mentioned Netgear switch allow me to connect my single Cat5 RJ-45 coming into my family room, from my office router, into it and immediately end up with 4 new ports?

If this is the case man did I waste a lot of time. My wife looked at me like I was crazy or something and I told her that at least I could dust that one bookcase. I took digital photos of each shelf to put everything back to where it was LOL.
post #690 of 1176
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Originally Posted by seasound View Post

My question now is will the above mentioned Netgear switch allow me to connect my single Cat5 RJ-45 coming into my family room, from my office router, into it and immediately end up with 4 new ports?

I took digital photos of each shelf to put everything back to where it was LOL.

I often draw pictures too.

I'm using a Netgear WNDR4000. As Netgear states, there is a built-in four port switch. I think the answer is not so hard: if it has an IP address and you can ping it, then it should be accessable by devices that look for other devices with ip addresses. The switch/router might need some configuration, but that's what laptops are good for. Even a long CAT5 cable. It helps to document everything like IP addresses and MAC addresses.

I had my cable modem die one day. When I connected the new one, my router detected a different internet port and the result was all of my IP addresses changed from 192.x.x.x to 10.x.x.x. That took a while to settle down even though I was using DHCP. I have reservations for everything, but some time was needed to let the devices figure out how to talk to each other. My XP desktop is one DLNA server, as is the router. But my Win7 laptop has that disabled. The V867 (plus Blu-ray & TV) can access content from either server or the internet.

It should work.
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