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post #691 of 1176
Component I works fine. I use it because it's easier to split than HDMI, and I have a hd pvr. I've been doing that for over 5 years with 5 different receivers.

As far as networking goes, you are posting in the wrong place, but...

Old routers can become switches, just turn off dhcp, only one router runs the show. To use a router as a switch, you plug into the regular port, not the wan. So a 4 port router becomes a 3 port switch.

Keep all your stuff on the same net, usually 192.168.1.x. If you are having problems with wired connections, check the cables.

I have 1 router and 4 or 5 switches. I also use powerline for hard to reach rooms. Buy 2 pairs and you can network 3 wired devices. I have wireless n, but prefer to use wired when I can.

Greg

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post #692 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I often draw pictures too.

I'm using a Netgear WNDR4000. As Netgear states, there is a built-in four port switch. I think the answer is not so hard: if it has an IP address and you can ping it, then it should be accessable by devices that look for other devices with ip addresses. The switch/router might need some configuration, but that's what laptops are good for. Even a long CAT5 cable. It helps to document everything like IP addresses and MAC addresses.

I had my cable modem die one day. When I connected the new one, my router detected a different internet port and the result was all of my IP addresses changed from 192.x.x.x to 10.x.x.x. That took a while to settle down even though I was using DHCP. I have reservations for everything, but some time was needed to let the devices figure out how to talk to each other. My XP desktop is one DLNA server, as is the router. But my Win7 laptop has that disabled. The V867 (plus Blu-ray & TV) can access content from either server or the internet.

It should work.

Sometimes I wonder why I tend to complicate things. After going through all of the time moving book cases, entertainment wall units, etc. and just prior to going out to purchase a hundred feet of CAT5 I looked into Ethernet switches. I was looking at a Netgear and shopped it online at the local box stores. None had one in stock. I finally decided to just drive over to Walmart and bingo they had a 5 port Linksys SE1500 for 25 bucks. The CAT5 would have cost more than that plus it is a pain to terminate with RJ-45s (I do have the cutter/crimper and plugs.)

Plugged the Linksys in and now have all my gear in the entertainment system on the correct LAN.

I guess the trade off on this whole adventure was I learned a few things but sure wasted a lot of time. Thanks for the input.
post #693 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

No problem. The OSD has a manual speaker test mode to verify your connections.

Old eyes was the problem. I had the subwoofer plugged into the Multi-Channel subwoofer input. Works just fine now that I plugged it into the correct input.

Thanks again
post #694 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Component I works fine. I use it because it's easier to split than HDMI, and I have a hd pvr. I've been doing that for over 5 years with 5 different receivers.

As far as networking goes, you are posting in the wrong place, but...

Old routers can become switches, just turn off dhcp, only one router runs the show. To use a router as a switch, you plug into the regular port, not the wan. So a 4 port router becomes a 3 port switch.

Keep all your stuff on the same net, usually 192.168.1.x. If you are having problems with wired connections, check the cables.

I have 1 router and 4 or 5 switches. I also use powerline for hard to reach rooms. Buy 2 pairs and you can network 3 wired devices. I have wireless n, but prefer to use wired when I can.

Greg

Sorry about posting in wrong thread, but it was something I ran into while setting up the V867 and updating the firmware. I did ditch the old router/converted to a 3 port switch and went out and bought a 5 port switch for 25 bucks. 4 ports is what I required and what I ended up with after plugging in the CAT5 cable from my router. Everything is happy now.

Thanks
post #695 of 1176
Picked this up a week ago. I have multiple receivers but this is my first yamaha. All I can say about presence speakers is wow, I can't believe what I was missing. Great feature! Very pleased overall and I don't find the volume Osd bothersome. My hk is definitely sexier when it actually works, but overall I really think I have a new favorite.
post #696 of 1176
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Originally Posted by seasound View Post

My question now is will the above mentioned Netgear switch allow me to connect my single Cat5 RJ-45 coming into my family room, from my office router, into it and immediately end up with 4 new ports?

If this is the case man did I waste a lot of time.

I think you have wasted a lot of time, sorrry I have a switch in the basement where FiOS enters the house and home runs to 5 or 6 spots. At the end of 3 those runs I have switches that feed a number of devices--printers, PCs, WiFi access points, SlingBox and this reciever. No sub-net issues that I have found anywhere. Don't pull more cable until you try!

JoeKustra: this is what I was responding to above--I thought I'd get my message in right after seasound, but I typed too slowly. Thanks for the thoughts on the upconversion. I am using the receiver for VHS upconversion (cannot remember the last time we used that, but we have it), but only that.
post #697 of 1176
I just recently purchased this receiver and set it up in my living room and let me say it is phenomenal when playing a movie.

Is it possible to utilize the sub woofer when playing an Mp3 through the receiver? I have tried all the settings i could think of and google, but could not get the sub to be used when listening to a 2 channel source. Makes me a little sad how my 10 year old system sounded better since it utilized a sub on all my audio.

I am sure there is a way to do this, but I am just not smart enough to figure it out on my own... anyone able to help?
post #698 of 1176
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Originally Posted by paradiss View Post

I just recently purchased this receiver and set it up in my living room and let me say it is phenomenal when playing a movie.

Is it possible to utilize the sub woofer when playing an Mp3 through the receiver? I have tried all the settings i could think of and google, but could not get the sub to be used when listening to a 2 channel source. Makes me a little sad how my 10 year old system sounded better since it utilized a sub on all my audio.

I am sure there is a way to do this, but I am just not smart enough to figure it out on my own... anyone able to help?

Assuming you have run YPAO and it thinks there is a sub present, the easiest way is to push that remote MUSIC button until it says 7ch Stereo on the front panel. If that fails, we need to look deeper. Turn off pure direct and straight. You are going to need DSP support.

I use a 2ch stereo clock radio on AUDIO1. The sub and other 5 speakers work great. But check (after YPAO) that the V867 feels you have a sub with OSD and the speaker manual setup. It displays your configuration. No sub = no sound, plus you will need DSP on without the LFE signal you would get from your movie. Sorry if I'm stating things you already know.

There are a lot of options. After you get it sounding right, there are those white buttons to save your settings. I save pure direct with the BR/DVD button, and DSP & enhanced with the CD button for content from my Blu-ray like Pandora.

OK, it's not pure, but I like it.
post #699 of 1176
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Originally Posted by paradiss View Post

I just recently purchased this receiver and set it up in my living room and let me say it is phenomenal when playing a movie.

Is it possible to utilize the sub woofer when playing an Mp3 through the receiver? I have tried all the settings i could think of and google, but could not get the sub to be used when listening to a 2 channel source. Makes me a little sad how my 10 year old system sounded better since it utilized a sub on all my audio.

I am sure there is a way to do this, but I am just not smart enough to figure it out on my own... anyone able to help?

I had the same issue. I went to the manual speaker setup menu and changed the front speakers to 'small'. Also made sure that the crossover frequency is set at 80 HZ. Everytime i use the receiver, it always uses the sub.
Hope that helps.
post #700 of 1176
Is there a way to bi-amp (for what it's worth) and also use zone 2? The manual seems to say "no," but I don't know why not.
post #701 of 1176
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Originally Posted by medatom View Post

I had the same issue. I went to the manual speaker setup menu and changed the front speakers to 'small'. Also made sure that the crossover frequency is set at 80 HZ. Everytime i use the receiver, it always uses the sub.
Hope that helps.

I also had to decide how to handle this issue. What's worse, YPAO said my front speakers were large. They are also 6.25", so the manual (page 100) wasn't too helpful. For content with the LFE signal, I'd bet that the pure direct or straight buttons will fix anything I mess up when it comes to watching a Blu-ray or listening to a SACD.

So I manually set the sub to Extra Bass ON and Sub Woofer to USE. I left the front speakers at large. It sounds good to me. Since the rear speakers have 12" woofers I figured they would be happy set to large, and they are 12' behind me.

But no doubt, if you set the front speakers to small the low frequencies will be forced to the sub. Each method works.
post #702 of 1176
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Originally Posted by CKarras View Post

Is there a way to bi-amp (for what it's worth) and also use zone 2? The manual seems to say "no," but I don't know why not.

bi-amping uses 2 amps per channel on L+R. If you take away 2 amps, they you only have 5, so no you can't use zone 2 since zone 2 seems to be amps 6+7.

That at least makes sense to me, but why presence speakers take 6+7 when normal 7.1 allows zone 2 is a mystery to me.

Greg
post #703 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

bi-amping uses 2 amps per channel on L+R. If you take away 2 amps, they you only have 5, so no you can't use zone 2 since zone 2 seems to be amps 6+7.

That at least makes sense to me, but why presence speakers take 6+7 when normal 7.1 allows zone 2 is a mystery to me.

Greg

Curious why there are enough amps for 7.1 and zone 2 but not for 5.1, bi-amp and zone 2. I guess amps aren't amps.
post #704 of 1176
Picked this up a week or so ago from BestBuy for $399 in tax free NH.
This is my first attempt at a some what well above entry level system.

My system is
Sony 55" HX800 ledtv
Sony S580 blueray player
Yamaha RX-V867
Polk Monitor 70 series 2 (fronts) (BI-AMP'd)
Polk Monitor 60 series 2 (surrounds)
Polk CS20 center.
Sony SAWM40 90w 12" sub

It sounds pretty amazing to me but i was wondering if there is a way to change
the crossover freq. manually for each channel ? All speakers are set to large.
There seems to be a slight lack of midrange and no way to adjust it.

Does the firmware update have anything new to add ?
post #705 of 1176
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Originally Posted by lec666 View Post

Picked this up a week or so ago from BestBuy for $399 in tax free NH.
This is my first attempt at a some what well above entry level system.

My system is
Sony 55" HX800 ledtv
Sony S580 blueray player
Yamaha RX-V867
Polk Monitor 70 series 2 (fronts) (BI-AMP'd)
Polk Monitor 60 series 2 (surrounds)
Polk CS20 center.
Sony SAWM40 90w 12" sub

It sounds pretty amazing to me but i was wondering if there is a way to change
the crossover freq. manually for each channel ? All speakers are set to large.
There seems to be a slight lack of midrange and no way to adjust it.

Does the firmware update have anything new to add ?

Do the HX800, S580 and V867 have internet access? If so, they can all get updates that way. The speakers have no firmware updates.

V867 = 2.19
S580 = M07.R.0427
HX800 = 4.107

Check your version number to see how it varies.

For the V867:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio...67/?mode=model

Each speaker? Yes, but few need it. What content has poor midrange and are you running pure direct or is DSP invoked? Page 102.
post #706 of 1176
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Originally Posted by lec666 View Post

It sounds pretty amazing to me but i was wondering if there is a way to change
the crossover freq. manually for each channel ? All speakers are set to large.
There seems to be a slight lack of midrange and no way to adjust it.

Does the firmware update have anything new to add ?

Was just looking into this crossover question myself....found a response earlier in the thread that indicates you have to step up to the 2000/3000 level Yammy's to get independent crossovers, unfortunately
post #707 of 1176
Is it possible to get audio through an optical input (or RCA), and video from HDMI on the Yammi at the same time?? Looking to test out different setups with my computer - want to test if the sound card (which has an optical and RCA output only) will sound better than my HDMI connection.
post #708 of 1176
Any ideas when I run YPAO my sub is adjusted to the level of -8??? I have to go in manually and up the sub but what could be going wrong???
post #709 of 1176
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Originally Posted by teachMe2 View Post

Is it possible to get audio through an optical input (or RCA), and video from HDMI on the Yammi at the same time?? Looking to test out different setups with my computer - want to test if the sound card (which has an optical and RCA output only) will sound better than my HDMI connection.

I can guarantee RCA is not the way to go. If you can pipe audio through HDMI go that route and save the headache. HDMI and optical are both digitally sending the same signal but you should get a faster handshake and response with HDMI. HDMI also supports more tech like dialog matching.
post #710 of 1176
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Originally Posted by thumperxr69 View Post

Any ideas when I run YPAO my sub is adjusted to the level of -8??? I have to go in manually and up the sub but what could be going wrong???

That is a common issue. Just manually adjust it up.
post #711 of 1176
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Originally Posted by teachMe2 View Post

Is it possible to get audio through an optical input (or RCA), and video from HDMI on the Yammi at the same time?? Looking to test out different setups with my computer - want to test if the sound card (which has an optical and RCA output only) will sound better than my HDMI connection.

If the RCA is RW 2ch, use the optical. If the RCA is one connector and digital, that will be better physically than fiber. HDMI for audio is the best.
post #712 of 1176
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Originally Posted by teachMe2 View Post

Is it possible to get audio through an optical input (or RCA), and video from HDMI on the Yammi at the same time?

Yes. Any combination of video and audio signals can be output. Not hard to do.
post #713 of 1176
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Originally Posted by thumperxr69 View Post

Any ideas when I run YPAO my sub is adjusted to the level of -8??? I have to go in manually and up the sub but what could be going wrong???

Page 20 of the manual concerning the connections says to set the sub crossover to max
Page 34 of the manual suggest adjusting the crossover at the subwoofer to max clockwise during the YAPO.
Page 101 setup again suggest adjusting the crossover at the sub to max (footnote 2) The Bass Crossover sets the lower limit of the low frequency component which is produced from the component set to "small." A frequency sound which is lower than the specified frequency will be produced from the subwoofer or front speakers.

Considering the above it makes sense to set the crossover at the subwoofer to max as that will enable the V867 to be "tuned" to direct the LFE for the best response possible by your system. A good description of setting the subwoofer/LFE crossover for best performance can be found here.
post #714 of 1176
Purchased the RX-V867 back in mid-August during one of the Egg's stellar $399 shipped deals, and finally unboxed and started getting it set up. Key reason for the wait was because I've *still* yet to decide on an HDTV, which btw will be my very first one. I'm not a luddite -- have actively wanted and searched for one for years and years and have kept up with all the plasma offerings (Panny, Sammy, and LG) but only really following Sammy's UNxxDxxxx series for LEDs. Strongly leaning towards the Samsung PN59D7000/D6500, but have been considering the 55ST30 from Panasonic as well.

As for the RX-V867, my two cents on the OSD volume thing. I've been an Onkyo guy since I got the TX-SR602 back in 2004 or so, a receiver I've quite liked but which has absolutely no HDMI whatsoever. I'm doing the fullblown HTPC+plasma deal, and really wanted the simplicity/flexibility of HDMI for most/all of the connections. Anyways, because of the Onkyo I'm quite accustomed to an OSD volume display popping up every time I change the volume (which really isn't that often whilst in the middle of watching -- I usually change it at the beginning of each session).

Now, that said... my beef with Yamaha's OSD volume isn't really the fact that it can't be turned off (although I agree it should be), but rather the fact that Yamaha insists on having that black box behind it as if it were a closed caption. I'm somewhat hearing impaired and thus use closedcaptioning 100% of the time -- the Onkyo's transparent display is much nicer and far less-obtrusive. I like that I can see the volume change on the screen, but it doesn't interfere very much with the show/movie or the captioning that's going on. The Yamaha's black box might make the volume info easier to read but is far more intrusive/obtrusive, interferes with reading the CC, and definitely not appreciated.

It's a mostly minor quibble for me and far from a dealbreaker (I knew it had this going in), but rather than being a "hate Yammy's OSD volume!" guy or a "love Yammy's OSD volume!" guy, I guess I'm more of a "love Onkyo's OSD volume" guy. I like the feature, but want it transparent, not enclosed in a huge black box.

But then, most of us probably acclimate to whatever it is we're using anyways. Give me a couple months and I'm sure I won't think a single thing of it. I'd much rather Yamaha focus on a more modern/functional web interface for the RX-V867, frankly, if they're going to put any real time/effort into what is basically an EOL unit.

I'll post more in-depth thoughts about the receiver as a whole once I get setup finished and especially once a TV has been purchased. Hoping the PN59D7000 drops back down to sub-$1600 on Amazon as it did ~4-5 weeks ago.

Supra92
post #715 of 1176
Updated the firmware to 2.19 without a hitch, took about 12 minutes or so. Here's another salute to Elton Noway for his perfect description of the firmware update process -- it's amazing the Yamaha technical writers couldn't see fit to make it as clear as Elton did. Suffice it to say, if one hasn't rtfm or read Elton's description, seeing the "FW update available - see Advanced Setup" message in the OSD menu system.... *when Advanced Setup isn't accessible via that same OSD menu system*.... could be somewhat unintuitive.

Without an HDTV at the moment, I instead hooked up a Dell 2405FPW LCD monitor, which has a native 1920x1200 resolution. Thinking this was "just a monitor for basic OSD menu'ing", I figured a basic video connection using the yellow composite out port on the back of the 867 to the S-Video in of the 2405FPW would suffice -- and thankfully, I had a composite-to-SVideo cable on the ready.

One word: ouch. The screen displayed the 867's background picture but the pic quality was atrocious, as if it were set at the wrong refresh rate. The whole picture was shaky/shuddery and hurt the eyes. Adjusting the 2405FPW settings did nothing.

Did not pass Go, did not collect $200... I went straight for a component cable, connecting the YPbPr component on the 867 to the identical input in the monitor. What a difference -- crystal clear, stable, looks the way anyone would think it should look.

Even though it's just a low-res basic OSD menu, definitely use a YPbPr component cable instead of the awful composite. Goes without saying on a true HDTV (HDMI even better of course), but at least in this case it also holds true for the basic 867 monitor-out as well.

Supra92
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Originally Posted by supra92 View Post

Updated the firmware to 2.19 without a hitch, took about 12 minutes or so. Here's another salute to Elton Noway for his perfect description of the firmware update process -- it's amazing the Yamaha technical writers couldn't see fit to make it as clear as Elton did. Suffice it to say, if one hasn't rtfm or read Elton's description, seeing the "FW update available - see Advanced Setup" message in the OSD menu system.... *when Advanced Setup isn't accessible via that same OSD menu system*.... could be somewhat unintuitive.

Without an HDTV at the moment, I instead hooked up a Dell 2405FPW LCD monitor, which has a native 1920x1200 resolution. Thinking this was "just a monitor for basic OSD menu'ing", I figured a basic video connection using the yellow composite out port on the back of the 867 to the S-Video in of the 2405FPW would suffice -- and thankfully, I had a composite-to-SVideo cable on the ready.

One word: ouch. The screen displayed the 867's background picture but the pic quality was atrocious, as if it were set at the wrong refresh rate. The whole picture was shaky/shuddery and hurt the eyes. Adjusting the 2405FPW settings did nothing.

Did not pass Go, did not collect $200... I went straight for a component cable, connecting the YPbPr component on the 867 to the identical input in the monitor. What a difference -- crystal clear, stable, looks the way anyone would think it should look.

Even though it's just a low-res basic OSD menu, definitely use a YPbPr component cable instead of the awful composite. Goes without saying on a true HDTV (HDMI even better of course), but at least in this case it also holds true for the basic 867 monitor-out as well.

Supra92


Supra92,

Ya. I've not messed with monitor out of my Yamaha, but I found the same thing on my Oppo player.

Fortunately, the Oppo manual specifically called-out the video limitations when using the monitor out. Thus, I got no surprises. I just use it providing a video signal to a portable dvd player's display to get a look at USB music file structure when sourcing stick-disk from Oppo to my Yamaha. Saves me the hassle of firing up the 65" DLP.

Glad you're enjoying that nice 867. I'm still holding onto my 765 waiting for either more pocket change, or one heck of a deal on an RX-A 2 or 3000. ...dream on.

Mkard
post #717 of 1176
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Originally Posted by CKarras View Post

Yes. Any combination of video and audio signals can be output. Not hard to do.

Everytime I switch to AV x it changes the display as well.. What am I doing wrong?

Additionally, is it possible to have the display turn OFF instead of the grey screen or wallpaper background that comes up when the TV is turned off? My TV goes to "sleep" then that background image comes up instead of just being off, would be nice if it would stay off!
post #718 of 1176
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Originally Posted by teachMe2 View Post

Everytime I switch to AV x it changes the display as well.. What am I doing wrong?

Additionally, is it possible to have the display turn OFF instead of the grey screen or wallpaper background that comes up when the TV is turned off? My TV goes to "sleep" then that background image comes up instead of just being off, would be nice if it would stay off!

I think you are asking how to get the audio from a different input than the HDMI channel that contains the video. If so, select Setup, Input, select your HDMI input, then hit up arrow. The audio input can then be selected and changed to something other than that (or any other) HDMI input.

You have used "coax" to describe your audio. Is that RW 2ch analog or digital S/PDIF?
post #719 of 1176
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Originally Posted by seasound View Post

Page 20 of the manual concerning the connections says to set the sub crossover to max
Page 34 of the manual suggest adjusting the crossover at the subwoofer to max clockwise during the YAPO.
Page 101 setup again suggest adjusting the crossover at the sub to max (footnote 2) The Bass Crossover sets the lower limit of the low frequency component which is produced from the component set to "small." A frequency sound which is lower than the specified frequency will be produced from the subwoofer or front speakers.

Considering the above it makes sense to set the crossover at the subwoofer to max as that will enable the V867 to be "tuned" to direct the LFE for the best response possible by your system. A good description of setting the subwoofer/LFE crossover for best performance can be found here.

I followed the directions to the "T". According to a previous post it looks like this is a known bug...
post #720 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I think you are asking how to get the audio from a different input than the HDMI channel that contains the video. If so, select Setup, Input, select your HDMI input, then hit up arrow. The audio input can then be selected and changed to something other than that (or any other) HDMI input.

You have used "coax" to describe your audio. Is that RW 2ch analog or digital S/PDIF?

Thanks for this. After hooking it up, the sound doesnt sound as good vs HDMI audio. This makes things a lot easier on me!
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