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post #781 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

So if I get this right, if I want to have the zone audio from the 867 on my external stereo amp with a fixed output, I need to do the following.

Plug the amp into zone 2 out on the 867 (actually to above pre).
Set the 867 to party mode?

Then I'll get all inputs to zone2 in stereo?

With audio out, I get fixed volume, but tv (via component-optical)/hdmi does not pass. Net and radio do.

I really only care about net radio, but will rewire if the others work.

I originally used pre out, but that was variable and did not work well.

Yes, Party mode passes all inputs through Zone 2. Absent Party mode, Line Level Zone 2 passes only analog, tuner, net, and dock but allows playing different sources simultaneously in Zones 1 and 2.

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post #782 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cbhpi View Post

Connect your "presence" speakers to the Zone 2/Presence speaker terminals on your V867.
Connect your external amp via patch cords to the Zone 2 Line Level out jacks on the V867.
V867 Amp assignment should be 7.1 Normal, which will enable you to use your presence speakers for that purpose and allow zone 2 audio through the external amp.

Still struggling with this a bit. Looking at the OM I notice the RCA jacks labeled "Single"; the white jack above the red PRE OUT and the red BI-AMP (in the Speaker section) labeled Single. Am I still missing something or is there labeled "Zone 2 Line Level out jacks?"

I continue to learn, and a suitable low height (physical dimension) higher powered amp per speaker than the V867, single I/O, with integrated cooling fan, seems to be what I need. Am I on the right track here? Please feel free to correct any wrong assumptions that I may have.

Thanks,
LL
post #783 of 1176
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Originally Posted by seasound View Post

Still struggling with this a bit. Looking at the OM I notice the RCA jacks labeled "Single"; the white jack above the red PRE OUT and the red BI-AMP (in the Speaker section) labeled Single. Am I still missing something or is there labeled "Zone 2 Line Level out jacks?"

I continue to learn, and a suitable low height (physical dimension) higher powered amp per speaker than the V867, single I/O, with integrated cooling fan, seems to be what I need. Am I on the right track here? Please feel free to correct any wrong assumptions that I may have.

Thanks,

Yes, you're missing something: Page 9, Circle 17, Zone 2 Out.
post #784 of 1176
I finished watching a Bluray tonight and then tried to watch TV. Seems like all of a sudden the 867 isn't passing HDMI. TV displays no input available. But as long as I run the HDMI straight from the source, DVD, Sat DVR, etc., to the TV HDMI in, everything plays fine. But if I try to use the HDMI out from the 867 to the TV, I'm getting nothing. Is there a way to do a reset on the 867 or have I likely lost my HDMI?
post #785 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cassnlogan View Post

I finished watching a Bluray tonight and then tried to watch TV. Seems like all of a sudden the 867 isn't passing HDMI. TV displays no input available. But as long as I run the HDMI straight from the source, DVD, Sat DVR, etc., to the TV HDMI in, everything plays fine. But if I try to use the HDMI out from the 867 to the TV, I'm getting nothing. Is there a way to do a reset on the 867 or have I likely lost my HDMI?

Page 118 then 120. Good luck.
post #786 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cassnlogan View Post

I finished watching a Bluray tonight and then tried to watch TV. Seems like all of a sudden the 867 isn't passing HDMI. TV displays no input available. But as long as I run the HDMI straight from the source, DVD, Sat DVR, etc., to the TV HDMI in, everything plays fine. But if I try to use the HDMI out from the 867 to the TV, I'm getting nothing. Is there a way to do a reset on the 867 or have I likely lost my HDMI?

I don't know your level of expertise, and I can be terse sometimes, so please don't be offended by my response.
When you tried to watch television, did you remember to press the input button on the Yamaha remote that corresponds to the input to which you connected your sat receiver? If so, did you have that input enabled to pass hdmi out to the television?
If you use Scene buttons on your remote to change inputs, are they setup correctly and did you remember to press the one that corresponds to the input your sat receiver is connected to?
post #787 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cbhpi View Post

I don't know your level of expertise, and I can be terse sometimes, so please don't be offended by my response.
When you tried to watch television, did you remember to press the input button on the Yamaha remote that corresponds to the input to which you connected your sat receiver? If so, did you have that input enabled to pass hdmi out to the television?
If you use Scene buttons on your remote to change inputs, are they setup correctly and did you remember to press the one that corresponds to the input your sat receiver is connected to?

I use a Harmony One Remote and I didn't make any changes at all. I went straight from watching DVD to watching TV and it just wouldn't work. So I tried to go back to DVD and that wouldn't work either. Once I ran HDMI straight from source to TV it works fine. Going to try page 118 and 120 now.
post #788 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cassnlogan View Post

I use a Harmony One Remote and I didn't make any changes at all. I went straight from watching DVD to watching TV and it just wouldn't work. So I tried to go back to DVD and that wouldn't work either. Once I ran HDMI straight from source to TV it works fine. Going to try page 118 and 120 now.

I forgot to ask, and it may be too late, but did the OSD stop working too?
post #789 of 1176
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

I forgot to ask, and it may be too late, but did the OSD stop working too?

Haven't checked that yet and I looked at pg 118 and 120 but I'm not sure which one of those I'm supposed to do? I'm assuming either firmware update or initialization?
post #790 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cassnlogan View Post

Haven't checked that yet and I looked at pg 118 and 120 but I'm not sure which one of those I'm supposed to do? I'm assuming either firmware update or initialization?

Page 118 shows how to get into Advanced Setup. Page 120 gives you the reset options. Shall I assume you are already running the latest (2.19) firmware? If not, get the reset done and AVR running first. You can't mess up the OSD (I think). If the OSD works, a reset may not fix your problem. I have never done one, so I can't describe what happens that is not in the manual.
post #791 of 1176
OK I checked OSD and there is no OSD either. I am getting audio through HDMI from all sources but no video. I tried resetting the settings on pg 120 and that didn't work either. I am running firmware 2.19 and I have tried a different DMI cable. I got this from newegg but it was 2 months ago, so I guess next step is to call Yamaha.
post #792 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cassnlogan View Post

OK I checked OSD and there is no OSD either. I am getting audio through HDMI from all sources but no video.

If the reset doesn't work, I would call tech support. Sorry.
post #793 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cassnlogan View Post

OK I checked OSD and there is no OSD either. I am getting audio through HDMI from all sources but no video. I tried resetting the settings on pg 120 and that didn't work either.

I was going to suggest pressing the HDMI OUT button on the remote few times to cycle though the options and make sure HDMI output was not turned off. But since you did a reset, that probably isn't it.
post #794 of 1176
Have you tried both hdmi outs?
post #795 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Have you tried both hdmi outs?

No I haven't tried the 2nd HDMI out. I won't get home until late tonight so tomorrow I will try that. If that doesn't work it will be a call to Yamaha.
post #796 of 1176
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I was going to suggest pressing the HDMI OUT button on the remote few times to cycle though the options and make sure HDMI output was not turned off. But since you did a reset, that probably isn't it.

Thanks. It was that simple. The HDMI output had got turned off somehow. Working fine now.
post #797 of 1176
Hdmi out button, what the heck is he talking about?

I never even noticed it... I have never seen that "feature" on another receiver. It's should have a glass cover over it!

Good to know.
post #798 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Hdmi out button, what the heck is he talking about?

I never even noticed it... I have never seen that "feature" on another receiver. It's should have a glass cover over it!

Good to know.

Right next to the NET button. Seems unaffected by a reset also.
post #799 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cassnlogan View Post

Thanks. It was that simple. The HDMI output had got turned off somehow. Working fine now.

Have you considered programming that "step" into your Harmony remote?
post #800 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cbhpi View Post

Yes, you're missing something: Page 9, Circle 17, Zone 2 Out.

I think what threw me off was gregoryperkins's sentence
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Plug the amp into zone 2 out on the 867 (actually to above pre)

That and my reluctance to move the wall units until I fully understood what I would be doing. The "actually to above pre" seemed to imply that the line outs were located above the pre outs. I narrowed my vision to that particular area of the V867, not noticing the Page 9, Circle 17, Zone 2 Out. I zoomed the pita.pdf OM to that particular area. Yesterday, after I moved the wall units it was obvious.

Thanks again for all of the input. I continue to learn while threading down these pathways.
post #801 of 1176
Hmm, I didn't realize that I had muddied the waters. Reading it back out of context, I couldn't remember what I meant. I was referring to my pre-amp on the line before (above) rather than pre-outs.
post #802 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cbhpi View Post

Yes, Party mode passes all inputs through Zone 2. Absent Party mode, Line Level Zone 2 passes only analog, tuner, net, and dock but allows playing different sources simultaneously in Zones 1 and 2.

It does not work if you have presence speakers, which I have. I get nothing from the zone 2 outputs, but I do from audio out, jut not everything.

zone 2 is greyed out, but party mode is enabled.
post #803 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

It does not work if you have presence speakers, which I have. I get nothing from the zone 2 outputs, but I do from audio out, jut not everything.

zone 2 is greyed out, but party mode is enabled.

See my post #771, which is the context under which I originally responded to your post. You won't get Zone 2 through the speakers attached to the Zone 2 speaker terminals, but will get Zone 2 audio through the speakers attached to the external amp. The goal for the OP was to be able to use his presence speakers for that purpose, but to be able to receive Zone 2 audio through the external amp connected to the Zone 2 line level jacks. Party function works for the external amp speakers,even though Zone 2 is grayed out on the on-screen display.
post #804 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cbhpi View Post

See my post #771, which is the context under which I originally responded to your post. You won't get Zone 2 through the speakers attached to the Zone 2 speaker terminals, but will get Zone 2 audio through the speakers attached to the external amp. The goal for the OP was to be able to use his presence speakers for that purpose, but to be able to receive Zone 2 audio through the external amp connected to the Zone 2 line level jacks. Party function works for the external amp speakers,even though Zone 2 is grayed out on the on-screen display.

It did not work for me sending output from zone2 to an external amp, but it does work from audio out on net radio, the output I really care about. I understand that I have my presence speakers attached to the zone 2 output, I do not expect them to work.

Is there anything else that needs to be done to activate the zone 2 rca plugs to an external amp?

Do you have presence speakers set up?
post #805 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

It did not work for me sending output from zone2 to an external amp, but it does work from audio out on net radio, the output I really care about. I understand that I have my presence speakers attached to the zone 2 output, I do not expect them to work.

Is there anything else that needs to be done to activate the zone 2 rca plugs to an external amp?

Do you have presence speakers set up?

In my kitchen is a pair of speakers attached to the extra speaker terminals. In my bedroom is an external amp connected to the Zone 2 Out jacks on the V867. When amp assignment is set to 7 ch Normal, the kitchen speakers act as presence speakers, but Zone 2 functions as previously described through the external amp. When amp assignment is 7 ch + 1Zone (the way I normally run my setup), Zone 2 functions through both the kitchen speakers and the speakers attached to the external amp. With either amp assignment, I'm able to, say, watch tv via sat through main zone while simultaneously piping net/cd/dvd/bd/itunes/sat to bedroom. BD player and sat are connected via hdmi and analog and I use an Apple Express in conjunction with itunes. With either amp assignment, I'm able to use party function to pipe any current main source to the bedroom.
post #806 of 1176
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Originally Posted by cbhpi View Post

See my post #771, which is the context under which I originally responded to your post. You won't get Zone 2 through the speakers attached to the Zone 2 speaker terminals, but will get Zone 2 audio through the speakers attached to the external amp. The goal for the OP was to be able to use his presence speakers for that purpose, but to be able to receive Zone 2 audio through the external amp connected to the Zone 2 line level jacks. Party function works for the external amp speakers,even though Zone 2 is grayed out on the on-screen display.

ok, so you never set them up as presence speakers, correct? The amp knows where my speakers are since I set them up as presence. If I change the setup, then maybe it will trick the zone2 into coming on?
post #807 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

ok, so you never set them up as presence speakers, correct? The amp knows where my speakers are since I set them up as presence. If I change the setup, then maybe it will trick the zone2 into coming on?

Could be. Try it. Please post your results.
If I have time tomorrow or this weekend, I'll attempt to set mine up as presence and test that way.
post #808 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

Hmm, I didn't realize that I had muddied the waters. Reading it back out of context, I couldn't remember what I meant. I was referring to my pre-amp on the line before (above) rather than pre-outs.

Not to worry. You are not muddying the waters. My head feels like Muddy Waters sometimes as I try to absorb as much info as I can. In this particular case it was just my laziness in not throughly reading the pita OM in *.pdf format. Also, when you do find something the manual does a pretty decent job itself in sowing confusion.

I worked in Japan for quite some time and once had a manual for a water treatment system. The syntax went something like this: "When adjusting rock volt taking care to turn rightwise until likewise unless breaking." OooK. That one was trumped by a notice in the Horriday Inn in Nagasaki. They had plastic laundry bags in the closet. On the bag was this notice "In case of fire put bag on head and place face directly in flame." Sure wish I would have saved one of those to help me maintain perspective.

Reading your post again I'm reminded that I should just print the manual out. Nothing like having a paper manual to mark up as I make changes. Now that I'm reminded of that and am at my daughter's house I'll print it on her color laser. This sounds like just the right time to print that sucker out.

I notice that both you and cphpi are still in the test mode pertaining to this setup too. For now, I've given up on the external amp as my wife wants to finish decorating the house for a early Christmas party. The 5.1 system is working fine but I've yet moved the wall units back in place to test the Zone 2 out via the built in amp. I see no reason that I shouldn't be able to use the amplified Zone 2 out to the Niles just as I did with my "old" Yamaha AVR using A/B or both. Did it for years with no ill effects.

I'll follow you two guys as you battle the titans to get both the Presence speakers working in a 7.1 configuration and the Zone 2 Line out to external amp for remote speaker push through the Niles. When I have something worth posting I'll put it up.
LL
post #809 of 1176
I am not hopeful. Everything I have heard is that presence whacks zone 2.

It's not a big deal, it's just a challenge. All I really want is net radio and I have tv working on another input from another source. I have to lift my arm and push a button!
post #810 of 1176
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Originally Posted by gregoryperkins View Post

I am not hopeful. Everything I have heard is that presence whacks zone 2.

Just curious, what are your sources, your authority? When I change my amp assignment from 7ch + 1Zone to 7ch Normal, my kitchen speakers are recognized as presence speakers, Zone 2 is grayed out, and I can adjust the parameters of the presence speakers for distance and level, all while continuing to get audio through the speakers connected to my Zone 2 external amp as previously described. I can also increase dialogue enhancement volume for the kitchen/presence speakers with fantastic results. (I can see how presence speakers would be great for folks who have a hard time with dialogue.)

Changing the amp assignment from 7ch + 1Zone to 7ch Normal definitely "whacks" Zone 2 for the speakers attached to the Extra Speaker terminals, but, at least for me, does not eliminate the signal being sent to the Zone 2 line level jacks or Zone 2 functionality associated therewith. Whether I've tricked it, I don't know. My theory is that my Zone 2 line level jacks are always hot, regardless of amp assignment.
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