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post #1411 of 2352
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Correct. As the manual indicates, in order to pass audio to Zone 2, you'll need to connect a red/white RCA analog cable from the source to the AVR, in addition to any other cable you're using for the main zone (eg. HDMI).
post #1412 of 2352
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Although the manual implies otherwise, AFAIK, Audyssey will be disabled when using Dolby Volume (just as with the higher models).

The receiver kind of implies that, too. While Audyssey will say "On" in the home menu, the little light in the display will go off when Dolby Volume is on. It's too bad, too, because I kind of like the way Dolby sounds.

Does anybody know what Dialog Norm means when it flashes on the display briefly? Sorry, I haven't searched the manual yet.

I tell you, so far I'm really liking my new 709, but there's a lot to learn. It's almost more like setting up and calibrating a TV than it is just plugging in a receiver (like my earlier 606).

I'm also really loving the video processing (something I never used on the 606). It seems to make a difference, especially on cable input. Plus it's nice to see my TV displaying full 1920x1080 for the input. I'm pretty sure the upscaling in the 709 is better than my 4-year-old Samsung. Unfortunately, it's giving me a little buyer's remorse thinking how much better the Dual Core Video Engine with HQV Vida in the 809 and up models might be.

Oh, well. Still lots to do yet!
post #1413 of 2352
I asked this question on the Onkyo forum, let's see if we can get an "official" answer from them
post #1414 of 2352
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Originally Posted by Otto Hemi View Post

The receiver kind of implies that, too. While Audyssey will say "On" in the home menu, the little light in the display will go off when Dolby Volume is on. It's too bad, too, because I kind of like the way Dolby sounds.

I agree. I would probably use it if I didn't use Audyssey and dynamic volume stinks because you have to have dynamic eq. You can use the "Late Night" with Dolby Digital sources, and you can use Loudness Plus in THX modes, but I don't think they work nearly as well. Fortunately, these receivers have 27000 different volume leveling functions

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Originally Posted by Otto Hemi View Post

Does anybody know what Dialog Norm means when it flashes on the display briefly? Sorry, I haven't searched the manual yet.

Dialog Normalization is a feature of Dolby Digital which attempts to normalize the dialog volume from stream to stream. Whenever a commercial comes on, our receivers display how the DD stream is handling the volume of the dialog which I assume is the center channel. It's an automatic/non-configurable part of Dolby Digital as I understand it.

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Originally Posted by Otto Hemi View Post

I tell you, so far I'm really liking my new 709, but there's a lot to learn. It's almost more like setting up and calibrating a TV than it is just plugging in a receiver (like my earlier 606).

I'm also really loving the video processing (something I never used on the 606). It seems to make a difference, especially on cable input. Plus it's nice to see my TV displaying full 1920x1080 for the input. I'm pretty sure the upscaling in the 709 is better than my 4-year-old Samsung. Unfortunately, it's giving me a little buyer's remorse thinking how much better the Dual Core Video Engine with HQV Vida in the 809 and up models might be.

I like mine too. Everything I've read says that paying more for video processing doesn't get you much until you go really high-end. That and lack of space in my AV stand helped me choose the 709.
post #1415 of 2352
I bought my receiver in Feb and didn't bother updating it until yesterday. I did it via internet. It failed the first time saying error 3-83 and then all the sound went out but video pass through worked. Scared me to death but tried it a second time and worked fine. Took about an hour but was well worth it. It made a huge difference in the way music sounded. I didn't realize I had a problem until it was fixed lol.

Oh and thanks for clearing up the Dialog thing. I was curious myself.
post #1416 of 2352
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Originally Posted by z28koda View Post

I bought my receiver in Feb and didn't bother updating it until yesterday. I did it via internet. It failed the first time saying error 3-83 and then all the sound went out but video pass through worked. Scared me to death but tried it a second time and worked fine. Took about an hour but was well worth it. It made a huge difference in the way music sounded. I didn't realize I had a problem until it was fixed lol.

Oh and thanks for clearing up the Dialog thing. I was curious myself.

Hmmmm ... I have been avoiding the updates because of all the post update problems described here. What problem did you have that the update fixed?
post #1417 of 2352
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Originally Posted by z28koda View Post

I bought my receiver in Feb and didn't bother updating it until yesterday. I did it via internet. It failed the first time saying error 3-83 and then all the sound went out but video pass through worked. Scared me to death but tried it a second time and worked fine. Took about an hour but was well worth it. It made a huge difference in the way music sounded. I didn't realize I had a problem until it was fixed lol.

Oh and thanks for clearing up the Dialog thing. I was curious myself.

I don't understand how updating your receiver can yield "a huge difference in the way music (sounds)."
post #1418 of 2352
I am having static issues with my speakers and I cant seem to figure out how to fix it. I just saw the recall that some of the receivers are getting but my 709 doesn't seem to qualify after inputting my serial number. I purchased my 709 mid February and have run Audyssey multiple times.

I have my 709 connected to my computer via Toslink/S/PDIF. I do 90% of my music listening through my computer and I keep noticing small static crackles from each speaker regardless of the audio mode it is in (stereo/plII music/neo6). The static noise doesn't always happen but i do notice it often and its quite annoying.

Anyone have any suggestions on what I can look for to fix this issue?

Thanks
post #1419 of 2352
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Originally Posted by KtrainHurricane View Post

I don't understand how updating your receiver can yield "a huge difference in the way music (sounds)."

Well i was curious about this also so i decided to bite the bullet and do the update. Everything went smoothly, took about an hour via net...... sounds exactly the same to me
post #1420 of 2352
What does 709 miss that 809 has? I am trying to find the best bang for the buck and hence the question..
post #1421 of 2352
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Originally Posted by Otto Hemi View Post

The receiver kind of implies that, too. While Audyssey will say "On" in the home menu, the little light in the display will go off when Dolby Volume is on. It's too bad, too, because I kind of like the way Dolby sounds.

Does anybody know what Dialog Norm means when it flashes on the display briefly? Sorry, I haven't searched the manual yet.

I tell you, so far I'm really liking my new 709, but there's a lot to learn. It's almost more like setting up and calibrating a TV than it is just plugging in a receiver (like my earlier 606).

I'm also really loving the video processing (something I never used on the 606). It seems to make a difference, especially on cable input. Plus it's nice to see my TV displaying full 1920x1080 for the input. I'm pretty sure the upscaling in the 709 is better than my 4-year-old Samsung. Unfortunately, it's giving me a little buyer's remorse thinking how much better the Dual Core Video Engine with HQV Vida in the 809 and up models might be.

Oh, well. Still lots to do yet!

Is your receiver updated to the latest firmware? According to Onkyo Support, MultEQ should work with Dolby Volume:

http://onkyoproductsupport.forumotio...-tx-nr709#3374

If it's updated, then maybe we should contact them to get it fixed?
post #1422 of 2352
I think you're right.

It certainly removes Audyssey from the receiver display but if you go through into menu and change between movie/music/off you can tell the difference (with off) - at least I think I can...lol.
post #1423 of 2352
I have the latest firmware, and when I turn on Dolby volume, the audyssey light goes off and receiver goes back to sounding muddy (lots of bass, much less treble). Interesting. The manual says that dynamic eq/volume can't be used with dolby volume, but it shouldn't complete turn Audyssey off.

Edit: tmu77, you are right. When I go into the Audyssey menu with Dolby volume on, you can select Movie Music and off. Off is even muddier..... So it does still work but it turns the Audyssey light off on the display.

Edit2: The additional muddiness provided by Dolby volume was from "Half mode" being turned on, which boosts the bass at low volumes.
post #1424 of 2352
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

I have the latest firmware, and when I turn on Dolby volume, the audyssey light goes off and receiver goes back to sounding muddy (lots of bass, much less treble). Interesting. The manual says that dynamic eq/volume can't be used with dolby volume, but it shouldn't complete turn Audyssey off.

Edit: tmu77, you are right. When I go into the Audyssey menu with Dolby volume on, you can select Movie Music and off. Off is even muddier..... So it does still work but it turns the Audyssey light off on the display.

Edit2: The additional muddiness provided by Dolby volume was from "Half mode" being turned on, which boosts the bass at low volumes.

So with half mode off, do you think it still sounds like Audyssey MultEQ is in effect? In this case, looks like the bug is only on the display (not showing correct status), but the functionality is still there.

Thanks!
post #1425 of 2352
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Originally Posted by cfelicio View Post

So with half mode off, do you think it still sounds like Audyssey MultEQ is in effect? In this case, looks like the bug is only on the display (not showing correct status), but the functionality is still there.

Yes, it sounds like Audyssey is still on. In my room, it sounds to me like Audyssey boosts the treble and my sound meter and a low frequency sweep confirm that it tames certain bass frequencies. When I turn Audyssey off, everything sounds like there is a blanket over my speakers.

Dolby Volume Half mode adds a low volume bass boost, so it+Audyssey sounds about like it does without Audyssey. If Dolby volume is on with half mode off and Audyssey set to movie or music, it sounds good (the blankets are off my speakers), except levels are different (which is what Dolby Volume is supposed to do.)

Short answer: Yes, the bug appears to be in the display only.
post #1426 of 2352
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

Yes, it sounds like Audyssey is still on. In my room, it sounds to me like Audyssey boosts the treble and my sound meter and a low frequency sweep confirm that it tames certain bass frequencies. When I turn Audyssey off, everything sounds like there is a blanket over my speakers.

Dolby Volume Half mode adds a low volume bass boost, so it+Audyssey sounds about like it does without Audyssey. If Dolby volume is on with half mode off and Audyssey set to movie or music, it sounds good (the blankets are off my speakers), except levels are different (which is what Dolby Volume is supposed to do.)

Short answer: Yes, the bug appears to be in the display only.

awesome, thanks for helping out! I just received mine today, will be using it out soon
post #1427 of 2352
Can you use the 12 volt trigger for zone 2 to power up an amp? I can't seem to get it to work.
post #1428 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Can you use the 12 volt trigger for zone 2 to power up an amp? I can't seem to get it to work.

I'd like to know the same thing, although I'd like it to power up my main amp for the main zone (I'm using the Onkyo as a pre/pro).
post #1429 of 2352
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

I'd like to know the same thing, although I'd like it to power up my main amp for the main zone (I'm using the Onkyo as a pre/pro).

Yes, that is what I am trying. I picked a great deal on a Outlaw Audio 7125.
post #1430 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Can you use the 12 volt trigger for zone 2 to power up an amp? I can't seem to get it to work.

Unfortunately only when using zone 2
post #1431 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LowellG View Post

Can you use the 12 volt trigger for zone 2 to power up an amp? I can't seem to get it to work.

I am currently using the trigger in this fashion. I have the Zone 2 Trigger connected to my Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I have a macro setup on my harmony remote to power up the Zone 2 trigger when i turn the system on. This turns on the amp. It should be said that I am only running a 5.1 setup in my main room. I am also still able to use the receiver to power my a second zone. I can't honestly tell you how this would work with a 7.1 setup as I have never tried it.

Matt
post #1432 of 2352
Wondering if anyone could help on an issue I'm having...I have my HTPC hooked up via HDMI to the NR709. (using HDMI PC). When I plug in the NR709 comes up as a device in windows 7 and I have sound coming out of AVR. However, when I go to configure the device in win 7 I can't get any test tones to come out under various configs (stereo, 5.1, etc.) Also, when playing a source on the PC the volume indicator on the device screen (NR709) does not show any sound coming out but there is sound coming out?

The big issue I'm having is that I can't get True HD or DTS HD sources to play on the AVR...The PC shows bitstreaming but no sound, regular dolby digital and dts tracks play fine though?

My guess is that Win 7 is not using the AVR to play sounds but for the life of me I can't find the issue?
post #1433 of 2352
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

I am currently using the trigger in this fashion. I have the Zone 2 Trigger connected to my Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I have a macro setup on my harmony remote to power up the Zone 2 trigger when i turn the system on. This turns on the amp. It should be said that I am only running a 5.1 setup in my main room. I am also still able to use the receiver to power my a second zone. I can't honestly tell you how this would work with a 7.1 setup as I have never tried it.

Matt

Excellent - I'll give that a try. I'm only using 5.1 at the moment and also have a programmable Harmony. Thanks for the suggestion!

Ken
post #1434 of 2352
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Originally Posted by tydas View Post

The big issue I'm having is that I can't get True HD or DTS HD sources to play on the AVR...The PC shows bitstreaming but no sound, regular dolby digital and dts tracks play fine though?

Only newer graphics cards are capable of passing the hi def audio via bitstream. You should check your model number and verify. I needed to make a very inexpensive upgrade on my HTPC and then I was set.
post #1435 of 2352
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Originally Posted by THe_Flash View Post

Only newer graphics cards are capable of passing the hi def audio via bitstream. You should check your model number and verify. I needed to make a very inexpensive upgrade on my HTPC and then I was set.

I'm using the Z68/ G620 SandyBridge set up and from what I understand it should be able to bitstream?

Question for you, if you bitstream from an HTPC what settings do you use on the AVR?

The thing that is really baffling me now is why my AVR won't play any test sounds (its the default device for playback devices and it seems to be enables)?
post #1436 of 2352
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Originally Posted by tydas View Post

Question for you, if you bitstream from an HTPC what settings do you use on the AVR?

Yeah, that definitely should be capable of passing HD audio. For me, I just have the HDMI plugged into port 3 and use the direct setting on the receiver. There really wasn't anything special that I did that I can recall.
post #1437 of 2352
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Originally Posted by THe_Flash View Post

Yeah, that definitely should be capable of passing HD audio. For me, I just have the HDMI plugged into port 3 and use the direct setting on the receiver. There really wasn't anything special that I did that I can recall.

Do you recall if you have the NR709 as a playback device in Sound properties and if you play sound does the meter react?

My best theory now is that win 7 must be decoding the signal and it can't do the HD audio so its not sending it. Like I said the frustrating part is that all non--HD sound is fine!
post #1438 of 2352
For Blu-Ray's you need some new software like PoweDVD 11 or 12, etc. that can send the HD signal via HDMI. Older versions do not do it right or at all depending on the version. Check and make sure your version supports that function.
post #1439 of 2352
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Originally Posted by Gary Bechtold View Post

For Blu-Ray's you need some new software like PoweDVD 11 or 12, etc. that can send the HD signal via HDMI. Older versions do not do it right or at all depending on the version. Check and make sure your version supports that function.

I'm using mediabrowser with shark007 codecs, ffdshow icon says 'bitstreaming hdmi' so i know that part is working...
post #1440 of 2352
Is it possible to use the rear surround speaker in 7.1 as rear speakers with 5.1 sources or is the only option expanding 5.1 to 7.1?
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