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post #1591 of 2249
5/14/12 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post

Given your budget of ~1k most folks here will actually recommend the 1100 dollar NR818 that just came out as it has the latest EQ software from Audyssey which is XT32. The 709 would make it a couple years but I would hazard a guess the 818 would make it at least 4.....

The 809 has a better amp section than the 709 if you dont use an external amp like some do.

To be honest I would stretch your budget to get to the 1100 dollars of the 818.

I am getting the 709 simply because my budget is around 500ish which I can get a refurbed 709 with warranty for around that much. If I had 1k I would be looking at the NR818 or a AVR with Audyssey XT32 in it for sure.

You can get the 709 new for 500ish. Try techbargains.
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post #1592 of 2249
5/14/12 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by OSUDesi View Post

I own 2 Onkyo receivers (705 and 709), and this issue is shared between the both of them, although I think the delay is not as bad on the 709. Basically, the delay is attributed to the latency of the receiver to process the audio track to your settings. You can Google if you want a more technical description. It's just something you have to deal with.

I always thought it was my Samsung C69 3D BD player that was providing the delay.
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post #1593 of 2249
5/14/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

I found a new love with my Onkyo 709 this weekend, and I have a question.

First the question. I think I know the answer, but let me ask.
I also know that something similar, yet different, has already been asked.
When I start a movie, the video is on the projector screen right away, but there is a 5 second delay before audio kicks in. This isn't a big deal when starting a movie from the beginning, but if I skip chapters or select chapters, I miss out of the very beginning of that is happening with the audio. Is that just HDMI handshaking between the blu-ray player and the 709? Why just audio and not video delays too?

As for the love of the 709. I really liked the features and design of it before, but once I used the MultEQ XT, it now makes my speakers really sing. I love it!

I have the same issue and it has to do with the receiver trying to figure what audio track is inputted ie Dolby 2.0, 5.1, or DTS soundtrack. You can usually hear the clicks of the relays when different soundtracks are being switch over. Just one of those things you have to settle with. I forgot the work around for it on the 906 but once I get home tomorrow I will play around with it tomorrow and see if I can figure it out.
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post #1594 of 2249
5/14/12 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

I found a new love with my Onkyo 709 this weekend, and I have a question.

First the question. I think I know the answer, but let me ask.
I also know that something similar, yet different, has already been asked.
When I start a movie, the video is on the projector screen right away, but there is a 5 second delay before audio kicks in. This isn't a big deal when starting a movie from the beginning, but if I skip chapters or select chapters, I miss out of the very beginning of that is happening with the audio. Is that just HDMI handshaking between the blu-ray player and the 709? Why just audio and not video delays too?

I assume your audio is coming over HDMI. I don't really notice it badly on DVD/BD, but it was driving me crazy from my UVerse box. I switched the audio over to optical and the problem is largely gone. Not as much of a possibility for BD though as I think you need HDMI for the newer BD audio formats.
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post #1595 of 2249
5/14/12 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

I found a new love with my Onkyo 709 this weekend, and I have a question.

First the question. I think I know the answer, but let me ask.
I also know that something similar, yet different, has already been asked.
When I start a movie, the video is on the projector screen right away, but there is a 5 second delay before audio kicks in. This isn't a big deal when starting a movie from the beginning, but if I skip chapters or select chapters, I miss out of the very beginning of that is happening with the audio. Is that just HDMI handshaking between the blu-ray player and the 709? Why just audio and not video delays too?

As for the love of the 709. I really liked the features and design of it before, but once I used the MultEQ XT, it now makes my speakers really sing. I love it!


Try setting the BDP to "PCM" rather than "bitstream".
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post #1596 of 2249
5/14/12 at 8:28pm
Hi all.

I searched through this thread and couldn't find it, so I hope I'm not asking a repeat question.

I just got my 709 this week, and I'm having a serious problem with it. My Uverse STB sound played through the Onkyo is giving me serious stutter. Not really a stutter I guess, more like the sound drops every few seconds.

In my old setup, I ran HDMI from the STB to my LG TV, and then AAC toslink from the TV to my old Onkyo. Worked great before, but now this same setup gives me the sound drop with the 709.

So I re-wired it to run the HDMI from the STB to the 709, and then HDMI from the 709 to the TV (and swapping out HDMI cables while I was at it). Sound problem is exactly the same. Randomly drops to silent for a split second, frequently.

It is only with stereo sound. When the signal from the TV (or STB) is DD5.1, it sounds great. But when the 709 is doing any PLIIx on a stereo signal, I get unbearable sound dropping.

I haven't tested yet to see if other devices do the same. Still setting everything up, but I'm already afraid this is a return. Any suggestions?
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post #1597 of 2249
5/15/12 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by The Yar View Post

Hi all.

I searched through this thread and couldn't find it, so I hope I'm not asking a repeat question.

I just got my 709 this week, and I'm having a serious problem with it. My Uverse STB sound played through the Onkyo is giving me serious stutter. Not really a stutter I guess, more like the sound drops every few seconds.

In my old setup, I ran HDMI from the STB to my LG TV, and then AAC toslink from the TV to my old Onkyo. Worked great before, but now this same setup gives me the sound drop with the 709.

So I re-wired it to run the HDMI from the STB to the 709, and then HDMI from the 709 to the TV (and swapping out HDMI cables while I was at it). Sound problem is exactly the same. Randomly drops to silent for a split second, frequently.

It is only with stereo sound. When the signal from the TV (or STB) is DD5.1, it sounds great. But when the 709 is doing any PLIIx on a stereo signal, I get unbearable sound dropping.

I haven't tested yet to see if other devices do the same. Still setting everything up, but I'm already afraid this is a return. Any suggestions?

As I understand it, this is an incompatibility with the UVerse box. I think it's "technically" the fault of UVerse producing a somehow borderline non-standard DD 2.0 signal, but other receivers handle it just fine. You can set the UVerse box to stereo only mode and that fixes the problem with the caveat of losing 5.1 on other shows. If you ever discover a real fix, let me know as I haven't.
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post #1598 of 2249
5/15/12 at 4:08am
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Originally Posted by The Yar View Post

I just got my 709 this week, and I'm having a serious problem with it. My Uverse STB sound played through the Onkyo is giving me serious stutter. Not really a stutter I guess, more like the sound drops every few seconds.

Any suggestions?

As noted above, this is likely an issue with the U-Verse box. Try setting Dynamic EQ to OFF.
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post #1599 of 2249
5/15/12 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by The Yar View Post

Hi all.

I searched through this thread and couldn't find it, so I hope I'm not asking a repeat question.

I just got my 709 this week, and I'm having a serious problem with it. My Uverse STB sound played through the Onkyo is giving me serious stutter. Not really a stutter I guess, more like the sound drops every few seconds.

In my old setup, I ran HDMI from the STB to my LG TV, and then AAC toslink from the TV to my old Onkyo. Worked great before, but now this same setup gives me the sound drop with the 709.

So I re-wired it to run the HDMI from the STB to the 709, and then HDMI from the 709 to the TV (and swapping out HDMI cables while I was at it). Sound problem is exactly the same. Randomly drops to silent for a split second, frequently.

It is only with stereo sound. When the signal from the TV (or STB) is DD5.1, it sounds great. But when the 709 is doing any PLIIx on a stereo signal, I get unbearable sound dropping.

I haven't tested yet to see if other devices do the same. Still setting everything up, but I'm already afraid this is a return. Any suggestions?

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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

As I understand it, this is an incompatibility with the UVerse box. I think it's "technically" the fault of UVerse producing a somehow borderline non-standard DD 2.0 signal, but other receivers handle it just fine. You can set the UVerse box to stereo only mode and that fixes the problem with the caveat of losing 5.1 on other shows. If you ever discover a real fix, let me know as I haven't.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As noted above, this is likely an issue with the U-Verse box. Try setting Dynamic EQ to OFF.

Crap thats good to know since I have Uverse and am looking at one of these as well....

Is this a problem with ALL the NRx09's or just the 709?
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post #1600 of 2249
5/15/12 at 4:52pm
Can anyone suggest an inexpensive stereo amp for my zone two setup? I'm powering some cheap outdoor speakers. $200 - $250
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post #1601 of 2249
5/15/12 at 5:25pm
^^
Here ya go ... http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM.../dp/B00026BQJ6
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post #1602 of 2249
5/16/12 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Here ya go ... http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AM.../dp/B00026BQJ6

Great. Thanks.
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post #1603 of 2249
5/17/12 at 9:38am
Alright, after six months of shopping and another six months of waiting, I finally pulled the trigger. My 709 should show up tomorrow. I'm spending any free time between now and then reading through the Audyssey FAQ--very helpful stuff. I have a few questions specific to the 709 though:

- I read a bunch about problems with dialogue when using the Movie setting. The work around until it was fixed was to use the Music setting. I haven't heard anything in awhile. Has this issue been resolved?

- Those with the wireless dongle, does it work pretty well or should I just get a wireless router and use it as an access point?

- Is there any reason not to update the firmware as soon as I get it?

- Any advice?

Thanks!
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post #1604 of 2249
5/17/12 at 12:40pm
The wireless dongle works as advertised for me.
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post #1605 of 2249
5/17/12 at 12:49pm
I ran my first Audyssey calibration ever on my 709 about a week ago. SO much better for movies. I am not sold on using it for music though, but that is another story.

About the only 2 things I tweaked with what it set was it put my center channel to -4.0 db, which I bumped up to +2.0, and my sub was set a touch too low for my tastes. Not much, but a little.

Before I bumped the center channel up, I was missing a lot of dialog, but still getting a good amount of effects sounds (non-dialog). Probably since the fronts and center were matched and calibrated so well to each other, they blended "over" the vocals with the center being too quiet.

I made those 2 changes only and absolutely love the sound I am getting. I am using the movie setting and latest firmware.
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post #1606 of 2249
5/17/12 at 1:13pm
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If you are using Audyssey Dyn EQ (which is recommended), the bass/surround audio is boosted at volume levels below 0db (81). For TV and music sources you'll want to try setting the Dyn EQ Reference Level Offset from 0db to either 10db or 15db which will improve center channel dialog without having to boost the center channel. You can of course still boost the center channal trim to suit your preference.
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post #1607 of 2249
5/17/12 at 1:55pm
The Wireless usb adapter requires an always on SSID to work. If you are OK with broadcasting your SSID, which I am not, the it should work as advertised.
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post #1608 of 2249
5/17/12 at 6:48pm
Anyone else having issues with the iPhone app? It won't load for me. Won't even get to the select device screen. Just gets stuck at the blue screen with the circle and onkyo.
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post #1609 of 2249
5/17/12 at 8:08pm
Thanks for the tips. Is there an easy-ish way to do an A-B test with my old receiver? Could I hook the new receiver up to the speakers, then hook my old receiver up to the new receiver? My old receiver is an Onkyo TX-SR601--no pre-outs. I'm guessing that's a bad idea...
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post #1610 of 2249
5/19/12 at 2:29am
Just done my Audessey all 8 points and must say I am please overall. It set my front's to 50hz which on Definitive Tech website it stated to set it at 60hz and in the manual it had it at 80Hz I orginally had it at 80 with along with my center. Initial settings on my subs I had before I had both my subs at the 10 o'clock position on the voulume knob and a flat 0db. I turned it down a a but around the 9 o'clock position to level it out at 75db for the initial Audessey setup. After the test it bump my db up 2.5. So I just set the subs back to 10 o'clock and bumped it down to 0db. My center and two rears were sport on for the crossover settings and my distances I had initial set were almost spot on. So far I am really enjoying the sound stage it has set for me.
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post #1611 of 2249
5/19/12 at 6:27am
About 4-5. Picture adjust.
What's the difference between "Direct" and "Through" ?
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post #1612 of 2249
5/19/12 at 10:07am
Why don't this receiver have 12V trigger output?? It only have it for zone 2

And what does the "remote control" and "ir in" connections do?
http://www.productwiki.com/upload/im...o_tx_nr709.jpg
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post #1613 of 2249
5/19/12 at 11:28am
OK, I got my 709 yesterday and I've spent about 12 hours setting and testing so far. Pretty awesome stuff! It turns out my 8 year old Onkyo didn't put out anything below 20Hz. Between that and the Audyssey corrections, my sub is loving life!

One question though: I have the fat PS3, which means it can't do Dolby TrueHD, etc. via bitstream. I've read elsewhere that I should just set it to LPCM and not worry about it. However, when I do that my 709 can't do any of the Dolby stuff including Dynamic EQ (that's Dolby, right?). The only sound modes I have access to are the THX ones. If I set it to Bitstream, I can do Dolby Digital and use Dynamic EQ, but I still don't get TrueHD and I'm not sure what I'm missing in the downconversion to Dolby Digital.

So, short of buying a new blu-ray player or slim PS3, what's my best option?
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post #1614 of 2249
5/19/12 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by B|G1 View Post

About 4-5. Picture adjust.
What's the difference between "Direct" and "Through" ?

In Direct mode all video circuitry is turned off in this mode to help give you the best sound mode available. This is including the front display.

Through mode is a nothing is changed in the processing of the video nothing is touch but all components inside the 709 is still on
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post #1615 of 2249
5/19/12 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by skiman24 View Post

In Direct mode all video circuitry is turned off in this mode to help give you the best sound mode available. This is including the front display.

Through mode is a nothing is changed in the processing of the video nothing is touch but all components inside the 709 is still on

Is it any adcantage of using the video circuits?
I guess the media player, the ps3 and the TV is doing this job good enough... or ?

And why is it giving me the best sound mode? What do you mean with the front display?
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post #1616 of 2249
5/19/12 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by B|G1 View Post

Is it any adcantage of using the video circuits?
I guess the media player, the ps3 and the TV is doing this job good enough... or ?

And why is it giving me the best sound mode? What do you mean with the front display?

The chip inside the 709 for upscaling is no slouch so some prefer the upscaling of either their PS3 or other devices to take care of this function.

I have to make a correction there are two modes one is Pure Audio which is when all video circuitry is turn off including the front display of the 709 in which it will go blank after about 3 seconds of being engaged. This is to minimize the possible noise sources from being introduce. Plus only signal from HDMI can be output from the HDMI outputs (Main or Sub).

Direct (which I think you meant Through) is when no surround sound processing is applied to this setting. Like trim level, distance, and A/V sync.

Sorry about that it is still early here in Hawaii still waking up lol
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post #1617 of 2249
5/19/12 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by skiman24 View Post

The chip inside the 709 for upscaling is no slouch so some prefer the upscaling of either their PS3 or other devices to take care of this function.

I have to make a correction there are two modes one is Pure Audio which is when all video circuitry is turn off including the front display of the 709 in which it will go blank after about 3 seconds of being engaged. This is to minimize the possible noise sources from being introduce. Plus only signal from HDMI can be output from the HDMI outputs (Main or Sub).

Direct (which I think you meant Through) is when no surround sound processing is applied to this setting. Like trim level, distance, and A/V sync.

Sorry about that it is still early here in Hawaii still waking up lol

Why should the surroung processing have anything to do with "4-5. Picture adjust" ?
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post #1618 of 2249
5/19/12 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by B|G1 View Post

Why should the surround processing have anything to do with "4-5. Picture adjust" ?


It doesn't
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post #1619 of 2249
5/19/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by D Bone View Post

It doesn't

Yeah, exactly My question was about the picture adjusting, hehe, and what the pdifference between Direct and Passthrough was
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post #1620 of 2249
5/20/12 at 9:32am
I've got a pioneer dv-588 DVD-A/SACD player that I'm trying to hook up properly to the NR-709.

Before I added my bluray player (samsung D6500), I had no problem getting video from the DVD-A player. It is connected via analog inputs and has an s-video output going to the receiver.

When I added the bluray player via HDMI to the BR/DVD HDMI Input on the receiver (HDMI 1), I lost the ability to get video from the DVD-A player. Even when the bluray player is off, I still can't get video.

Can anyone please suggest a better way to hook up both an HDMI bluray player and a DVD-A player? Can I / Should I change the input assignments? It doesn't seem like you can reassign the analog multichannel audio inputs to a different component.

Thanks!
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