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post #1741 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LanceX View Post

so if we set it to DIRECT mode it will pass it through correctly and not touch gray scale?? I want my equipment to do the video so what is the best setting for that? Resolution Through and Picture Direct?
Whats the point of resolution through if you still have to edit the picture mode to direct or custom??.


Mine is set to Direct and through, and that will ensure that your TV does the scaling/interlacing, without the grey scale issues.
post #1742 of 2352
thanks bro. got it on direct and through now as well

we dont have source option on 709
post #1743 of 2352
Got my NR709 in February and have been very impressed. A couple of weeks ago, while I was out of town, it stopped outputting any signal. The unit still comes on, and its face display responds to remote commands, but no output, either audio or video. Is this something that others have experienced? Any suggestions as to what I might try? I think my settings are correct, including monitor output, but it's not impossible that something might have been changed by family members. The unit is hooked up to a UPS, by the way.
post #1744 of 2352
^^
Might be related to the recall ... check your serial number against the recall notice ...

http://www.onkyousa.com/001a_modelreturn_entertype.cfm
post #1745 of 2352
Thanks for the response, and when I checked, my unit is among those eligible for the update. However, the symptoms they mentioned are not what I'm experiencing. I put a call into Onkyo tech support a few hours ago, with no response yet.
post #1746 of 2352
watching Kingdom of Heaven on blu ray = Ear Sex with this and my new speakers
post #1747 of 2352
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Originally Posted by cwilson View Post

Got my NR709 in February and have been very impressed. A couple of weeks ago, while I was out of town, it stopped outputting any signal. The unit still comes on, and its face display responds to remote commands, but no output, either audio or video. Is this something that others have experienced? Any suggestions as to what I might try? I think my settings are correct, including monitor output, but it's not impossible that something might have been changed by family members. The unit is hooked up to a UPS, by the way.

Try unplugging from power from the UPS, then re-connect.
post #1748 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LanceX View Post

thanks bro. got it on direct and through now as well
we dont have source option on 709

Apologies if I confused the issue, I know there is little difference between 809/709 - and I didn't check that my solution for the Poor Grayscale issue would work for you.

Glad you have sorted it, as the Grayscale issue is obvious, (if you look).
post #1749 of 2352
When in NET mode the picture comes in snowy on my tv. Its faint but still doesn't seem right. Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks in advance,

Bill
post #1750 of 2352
Is this a trick question?? How can you be in net mode and watch tv?
post #1751 of 2352
Has anyone tried the the latest firmware update?
According to the site the following are the fixes addressed and applicable for NR709 / NR809 / HT-RC 370.

The 7/5/12 update addresses the following:
1. Improves the operation when HDMI Through is set to on
2. Stabilizes the operation of Network Control
3. Corrects the video output when the Picture Mode is set to Through
post #1752 of 2352
Have they corrected the greyscale for through now in newest update?

so whats best option now? HDMI Through and Picture Through or Direct?
post #1753 of 2352
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Originally Posted by atlind01 View Post

Has anyone tried the the latest firmware update?
According to the site the following are the fixes addressed and applicable for NR709 / NR809 / HT-RC 370.
The 7/5/12 update addresses the following:
1. Improves the operation when HDMI Through is set to on
2. Stabilizes the operation of Network Control
3. Corrects the video output when the Picture Mode is set to Through

There seems to be new facilities which did not exist before (at least I was not aware):

Press and hold:
* BD/DVD and press Power - Some sort of HDMI menu
* CBL/SAT " " " - Deep Colour ON/OFF
* NET " " " - Forced firmware upgrade (Net)
* USB " " " - Forced firmware upgrade (USB).
post #1754 of 2352
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Originally Posted by kiza40 View Post

There seems to be new facilities which did not exist before (at least I was not aware):
Press and hold:
* BD/DVD and press Power - Some sort of HDMI menu
* CBL/SAT " " " - Deep Colour ON/OFF
* NET " " " - Forced firmware upgrade (Net)
* USB " " " - Forced firmware upgrade (USB).
Just downloaded the firmware, will update it tonight. Where did you get this info?


Just downloaded the firmware, will update it tonight. Where did you get this info?
post #1755 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LanceX View Post

Have they corrected the greyscale for through now in newest update?
so whats best option now? HDMI Through and Picture Through or Direct?

HDMI Through is a feature for watching your Source, with AVR turned OFF.

It wont affect the greyscale issue.

I will look at whether the "Picture Adjust>Picture Mode>Through" is fixed, before I make any changes......but I expect for HD sources, no change required. Video processing is for improving SD sources (upscaling etc) when the AVR can perform it better than TV or player. Which is not always the case....smile.gif
post #1756 of 2352
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Originally Posted by wl1 View Post

Just downloaded the firmware, will update it tonight. Where did you get this info?
Just downloaded the firmware, will update it tonight. Where did you get this info?
I was just playing with my Onkyo, after update.
post #1757 of 2352
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Originally Posted by kiza40 View Post

I was just playing with my Onkyo, after update.

I hope you don't discover the "corrupt my firmware" option - smile.gif

Thanks for sharing though....
Edited by wl1 - 7/6/12 at 11:37am
post #1758 of 2352
Well

What is the difference in Through Or Direct picture mode anyways?

i just heard through greyscale was wrong
post #1759 of 2352
Hey I know there is a gray scale issue on some of these HDMI video setting. Has anyone by passed the video processing completely. And how does it look. Wouldn't that essentially pretty much be like using through?

And like the poster above. What is Direct video mean what exactly does that mean is it taking the source and passing it through it is really confusing on what Direct actually is. Please help Thanks.
post #1760 of 2352
Yes I never keep the video processing on with any onkyo. It has an issue with frame skipping. To shut it off I believe it's VCR and Return and then pressing Return one more time while still holding VCR to make it say Skip. if you search my posts I wrote an in depth way of doing it with the 707. The Processor for some reason gets in the way even when using Direct on Onkyo. The only way to make it through is by selecting Video Processor:skip.
Edited by Semp1 - 7/6/12 at 7:42pm
post #1761 of 2352
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

To shut it off I believe it's VCR and Power at the same time if you search my posts I wrote an in depth way of doing it with the 707. The Processor for some reason gets in the way even when using Direct on Onkyo. The only way to make it through is by selecting Video Processor:skip.

Hi Semp1, holding down VCR/DVR+Return buttons and setting it to skip. The NR809 have this so I believe the NR709 should as well.
post #1762 of 2352
I meant Return. Not power. I corrected it. But yeah the processor really does suck. I now have a 709 too. And two model years later Onkyo never fixed the frame skip problem. I replaced the the defective 707 I had with a Denon1913 for the bed room and I truly feel it sounds better. Next year I'm replacing the 709 with a 3313. Onkyo has proven to be nothing but garbage. Especially with the newer 2012 models. Their QC is a complete disgrace.
post #1763 of 2352
Yea the 709 does. That is the one I have and can do that. What is the GUI OSD that is disabled? Yea I found the skip feature and was wondering what effect or features do I lose other than OSD which I would like to know exactly what do I lose with that.
post #1764 of 2352
LATEST FIRMWARE 5th July 2012:

Over in the 809 - some of this applies....thought you might be interested.

""4.5 Picture Mode “Through” now works correctly – ie, it no longer changes the greyscale position NOR change the Contrast/Brightness setting. So for those people requiring “by Source input “ control of upscaling, it is possible to make use of the onboard video processing WITHOUT affecting all the colours.
Streaming is also fixed in the same way.

So Custom, ISF Day, ISF Night, Direct, Through and Streaming are available without worrying about calibration issues.

The BAD NEWS – Do NOT use Game or Cinema – as these are both still affecting the greyscale.

Game – very BLUE and cold pre-set. Obviously, if you like it for Games, fine.
Cinema – Warm/yellow tint – in general, many would look to use Cinema as a “calibrated” start point. For this 809, it is very misleading. If you like it, fine, but it is totally inaccurate. In fact if you have a calibrated video chain, and then use either of these two presets, you will have wasted your time and money.""

For those interested in the detail:-
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1341271/official-onkyo-tx-nr809-thread/4400_100#post_22197867

(Some of the 809 post may not apply to 709 - but most of it does).
post #1765 of 2352
whats the difference in through and direct?

Does through let you calibrate each source?

Id like my xbox and PS3 to do everything themselves but I want my cable t be 1080p upscaled. Does through let me do that and how?
post #1766 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LanceX View Post

whats the difference in through and direct?
Does through let you calibrate each source?
Id like my xbox and PS3 to do everything themselves but I want my cable t be 1080p upscaled. Does through let me do that and how?

What are your settings for resolution in menu item 1.1?

1. This is from p54 of the manual

Through - Does not adjust picture quality (changes resolution)
Direct - Does not adjust picture quality (does not changes resolution)

2. No, Through has NO settings other than Resolution

3. XBOX and PS3 should use DIRECT (to do everything themselves) - CABLE can use THROUGH with Resolution set to 1080P. Or you could use Custom and have control over all settings (could help a calibration), again using 1080P

Are you planning on calibrating all your sources, through the 709?
post #1767 of 2352
Can you program the picture mode by source?

I just see picture mode for a general setting not per input
post #1768 of 2352
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Originally Posted by LanceX View Post

Can you program the picture mode by source?

I just see picture mode for a general setting not per input
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When in menu item 4.5, what shows up in the top right hand blue box, in white text?

See attached.
post #1769 of 2352
Honestly. You really should keep the video processor on skip. It affects the video signal in a negative way. Unless you need something truly upscaled there really is no reason to keep it on and even then I could bet most TV scalers are still better. It truly is terrible in every sense of the word. Whether or not you realize the Onkyo's affect video that should be left alone. Run some tests running 3:2 pull down and 24fps with it off and on. I bet you see a difference. And not the "Direct" setting. Completely Skip it. Use a calibration disc if you have one. Preferably Spears & Munsil. Also pay close attention to scenes that pan from point A...............to.................point B. You'll see frame skips. Most people don't notice this at first but once you do you never can stop noticing it.
Edited by Semp1 - 7/7/12 at 5:58pm
post #1770 of 2352
I can confirm that the grey scale issue is fixed using "Through". I respectfully disagree with Semp1 regarding the 709's video chip being somehow inferior, or worse yet, causing problems. On my set up, my 709 does a better job of video processing than my Samsung 6420 LED TV does. Jaggies and halos are noticeably better using the 709, as is film mixed with video content.
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