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post #1921 of 2234
9/26/12 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by mrp11 View Post

Hdmi has just failed on mine after 9 months.
I bought it from Amazon Germany ,and live in Australia ,so my warranty is not coverered unless sent back overseas even though they have service centres here,.
Maybe someone should start a class action law suit for the Hdmi issue.
Im so Pissed.

Why on earth would you purchase a receiver you know is prone to issues when you would not be able to use its factory warranty? Did you consider purchasing a separate warranty that would cover the receiver there in Australia? There are LOTS of warranty/insurance companies that cover household appliances and electronics.

Sorry for your troubles...

But good luck with that class-action wink.gif
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post #1922 of 2234
9/26/12 at 9:37am
@STYLEZ619 (: You should call Onkyo Customer Support -- my receiver SS# was not on their list for the crackling noise issue either, but it was doing exactly that! I emailed support asking for help, any they replied withing 48 hours, telling me they are sending a box and RMA for the unit to be repaired and/or replaced. Very happy with this response from Onkyo.
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post #1923 of 2234
9/27/12 at 4:47pm
My Onkyo TX-NR709 displays "24 bit" video during dvd or blu-ray playback from my Sony S790 BDP. My Onkyo TX-NR3007 displays "36 bit" video during dvd/blu-ray playback from my S790. Why is this???
Edited by Turboo2u - 9/27/12 at 4:59pm
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post #1924 of 2234
9/27/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by Turboo2u View Post

My Onkyo TX-NR709 displays "24 bit" video during dvd or blu-ray playback from my Sony S790 BDP. My Onkyo TX-NR3007 displays "36 bit" video during dvd/blu-ray playback from my S790. Why is this???

Because your 3007 has Deep Colour enabled? It's a complicated area, I am not sure I would do this subject justice, or how deep you want to go....start here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth

Essentially though, it depends on the full video chain as to which one is best - Spears and Munsil test disks could help.
Edited by wl1 - 9/27/12 at 5:20pm
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post #1925 of 2234
9/27/12 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by pjoseph24 View Post

I just purchased the onkyo 709, I wanted to find out if the following is possible.
I use my LCD tv as a second monitor for my laptop.
I have an HDMI cable from my laptop going to one of the HDMI input on the back of the receiver. From the receiver I am using the HDMI main out to connect to my tv.
While using the receiver in the above configuration is it possible to still use the receiver to play music from Pandora, I want to play it from the receiver and not have to have it running on my laptop.
Thanks

If you don't mind using your Zone 2 pre-out, the following should work.

Feed your Zone 2 pre-out into TV/CD Analogue inputs.
Make sure TV/CD has NO HDMI associated with it.
Select Zone 2 to play your choice of Net music.
Select the Source input to see your Laptop (whichever HDMI input you use)
Then when you select TV/CD, it should give you Net music, with Picture from Laptop left on the display.

Wayne.
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post #1926 of 2234
10/1/12 at 4:00pm
Just sold my Anthem AVM 20 on ebay and will probably be getting a 709. A few questions, please:
  • Anyone have any experience with buying Factory Reconditioned from Accessories4less?
  • I'm planning on using my 7 channels of external amps (Anthem+Parasound). Will I be able to do anything with the 709's internal amps? (outside speakers? Or do I need those to be Zone 2 with its own amp, which they do have now?)
  • Can I have the Zone 2 12V trigger always on, even if I'm not having it trigger a Zone 2 amp? i want it to go back to my Monster Cable power center and then sequentially turn on the 2 big amps for the Main room.

Any other obvious questions I should be asking? And yes, Accessories4less is pretty sure that the HDMI board has been changed. If not, I will anyway be getting the Extended Warranty.

Thanks, all. These Forums have been invaluable over the years.
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post #1927 of 2234
10/2/12 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by ten8yp View Post

Why on earth would you purchase a receiver you know is prone to issues when you would not be able to use its factory warranty? Did you consider purchasing a separate warranty that would cover the receiver there in Australia? There are LOTS of warranty/insurance companies that cover household appliances and electronics.
Sorry for your troubles...
But good luck with that class-action wink.gif



I did not know that the 9 series still had the problem,and the price that i paid was half the rrp of the Australian price,so i figured it would be cheaper to buy another if there was a problem,or send it back to Germany.

I was looking at an insurance company here,but forgot about it,i think its poor customer service to not provide international warranty,even though i knew it before purchasing,what difference to Onkyo is it if they fix it in Aus or Germany,except to protect their distributors inflated markups on Aussies.

I offered to pay for the repair if Onkyo would provide the Hdmi board,but they didnt go for it.

I may just get separates from Emotiva,rather than low quality compromises like Avr's again,

Is it not pathetic that Onkyo cant fix the Hdmi issue,and continue to sell defective products over several years through several models?

They wont see a cent of my money again.
Edited by mrp11 - 10/2/12 at 4:45am
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post #1928 of 2234
10/2/12 at 8:21am
Hello,

I have a 709 since march, and it's been doing pretty well. The problem is that recently I installed a projector in the SUB hdmi, and it didn't work. After testing different things I've found that if I connect ONLY the projector, it works well (as MAIN HDMI or SUB, it doesn't matter), but as long as I connect the TV to the other HDMI connector, the projector stops outputting hdmi signal.

The TV doesn't seem to have this problem, as it always works. It's a LG LM860V.

Anyone has experienced any similar problems, or has any clue about what it could be?

Thanks

aLeX
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post #1929 of 2234
10/2/12 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by mrp11 View Post

I did not know that the 9 series still had the problem,and the price that i paid was half the rrp of the Australian price,so i figured it would be cheaper to buy another if there was a problem,or send it back to Germany.
I was looking at an insurance company here,but forgot about it,i think its poor customer service to not provide international warranty,even though i knew it before purchasing,what difference to Onkyo is it if they fix it in Aus or Germany,except to protect their distributors inflated markups on Aussies.
I offered to pay for the repair if Onkyo would provide the Hdmi board,but they didnt go for it.
I may just get separates from Emotiva,rather than low quality compromises like Avr's again,
Is it not pathetic that Onkyo cant fix the Hdmi issue,and continue to sell defective products over several years through several models?
They wont see a cent of my money again.

Most of the 09 series did not have the issue but like all pieces of electronics there were isolated reports.

Wait? You FORGOT about the insurance company... seems like that was your issue from the very start.

Ignorance is bliss my friend... you knew going in you wouldn't be able to get Onkyo's help if you had issues. So why would you be upset that you had issues and they weren't willing to help.................................... You can dislike that a company does not wish to deal internationally among its products but you knew that ahead of time and it seems the issue is the buyer there. Sorry. Also, I might add that most other manufacturers of electronic equipment (unless based there in Australia) are not very likely to honor a warranty on a product you purchased in Germany, then had shipped to Australia and most likely did not come from a licensed distributor. I'm just sayin.

The reason that receiver from Germany was probably half the cost was most likely because it was not being sold by a licensed distributor and already had issues that they knew about. There is a reason why people sell stuff cheap and internationally like that... and there is a reason why companies like Denon and Onkyo REQUIRE that people purchase from their distributors in order to honor their warranty. Those other non-licensed companies can do anything to their equipment... alter it, abuse it, use it and sell it as new, etc etc etc. They are not held to the same standards. Consequentially, this runs the price up for the consumer. But when you really think about it, its worth that little extra to have peace of mind and know that you bought a product that a company is willing to stand behind. Thats why I DO NOT (and do not recommend other people) buy REFURBISHED electronics unless it comes straight from the manufacturer. Not a good idea if you ask me but thats a whole different topic.

Other than all of the information above the only other reasons they dont honor international warranties are because of the liability of usage in other parts of the world and the amounts of times receivers in those parts of the world will be shipped. There are inherent risks involved with shipping electronics. A risk they dont wish to take and quite honestly, I do NOT blame them.

Onkyo CAN fix the issue... they can decline to use the same manufacturer for the HDMI boards on the next model. You can bet that they will make changes. Regardless, after you make and sell a certain number of receivers (more than any other brand on the market in their price ranges) they will undoubtedly have issues in a certain number of them. Its simple math.

Good luck with Emotiva... I love their stuff but make sure and check out some of the threads on them before you make up your mind about it. LOL.
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Originally Posted by Scandermore View Post

Hello,
I have a 709 since march, and it's been doing pretty well. The problem is that recently I installed a projector in the SUB hdmi, and it didn't work. After testing different things I've found that if I connect ONLY the projector, it works well (as MAIN HDMI or SUB, it doesn't matter), but as long as I connect the TV to the other HDMI connector, the projector stops outputting hdmi signal.
The TV doesn't seem to have this problem, as it always works. It's a LG LM860V.
Anyone has experienced any similar problems, or has any clue about what it could be?
Thanks
aLeX

Did you adjust the HDMI output mode on the receiver to match your setup?

Also, I'm sure it was a typo but the projector receives HDMI input, not outputs to the receiver unless your'e referring to having an HDMI-thru issue. Do projectors even do HDMI thru? I'm not very experienced with them as of yet.
Edited by ten8yp - 10/2/12 at 2:00pm
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post #1930 of 2234
10/2/12 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Scandermore View Post

Hello,
I have a 709 since march, and it's been doing pretty well. The problem is that recently I installed a projector in the SUB hdmi, and it didn't work. After testing different things I've found that if I connect ONLY the projector, it works well (as MAIN HDMI or SUB, it doesn't matter), but as long as I connect the TV to the other HDMI connector, the projector stops outputting hdmi signal.
The TV doesn't seem to have this problem, as it always works. It's a LG LM860V.
Anyone has experienced any similar problems, or has any clue about what it could be?
Thanks
aLeX

I had a somewhat similar problem. It turned out that even though my Panasonic 85 blu-ray player was set to 720P ( correct for my projector) when I switched from using my plasma the blu-ray player switched to auto resolution and wouldn't synch with the projector. I ended up running component video to the projector from the blu-ray . I would then go to my blu-ray player's menu using the component input on the projector I would reset my Br players output to 720P and the I would switch the HDMI out to 720P and switch input on my projector to the digital in. This was with a Sharp Z12000 using an HDMI adaptor to it's HDCP compliant DVI input. I also have a Sony HS51 projector which has HDMI and I have not had a problem using it at all. Best of luck and I hope this is helpful.
Edited by tulum - 10/2/12 at 5:53pm
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post #1931 of 2234
10/2/12 at 9:38pm
Hmmm... thats interesting. Typically if both of your display devices each have different resolutions, then when ran through the receiver they will display whichever the lower of the two is. (If one was 720p and one was 1080i then they would both come out in 720p) But maybe when using HDMI on both that causes some issues. I haven't had any issues with either of the two devices I have connected to my 709 but both of mine are 1080p native.
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post #1932 of 2234
10/3/12 at 12:47am
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Did you adjust the HDMI output mode on the receiver to match your setup?

I have selected the Mode "Both (SUB)" with the projector connected to the HDMI SUB. I have also tried the other modes, and nothing.
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Also, I'm sure it was a typo but the projector receives HDMI input, not outputs to the receiver unless your'e referring to having an HDMI-thru issue. Do projectors even do HDMI thru? I'm not very experienced with them as of yet.

Sorry... I may have not explained well the connections...

I have the BluRay player connected to HDMI input in the receiver. Then the receiver outputs MAIN and SUB are connected to TV and Projector. The problems are the same if I connect the TV to MAIN and projector to SUB or the projector to MAIN and the TV to SUB.

I am pretty sure it is not a resolution problem, because both devices, TV and projector, are 1080p capable, and I have used them in 1080p with the receiver.

The important fact is... if only the projector is connected to the receiver it works well. But if I am using the projector and then I connect the HDMI cable of the TV, then it stops working, even with the TV off!!!! As long as I disconnect the cable, it works again!!!!! It doesn't seem a HDMI-handshake issue to me...

One thing I didn't mention is that the projector is connected with a 10m cable to the receiver... could it be a physical problem? That the receiver didn't have enough power to drive both HDMIs?

I am considering putting a HDMI switch to the HDMI main, in order to be able to see both devices, but it's very bad to have to put another device, considering that the 709 have two outputs...

aLeX
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post #1933 of 2234
10/3/12 at 1:30am
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Originally Posted by Scandermore View Post

I have selected the Mode "Both (SUB)" with the projector connected to the HDMI SUB. I have also tried the other modes, and nothing.

Sorry... I may have not explained well the connections...

I have the BluRay player connected to HDMI input in the receiver. Then the receiver outputs MAIN and SUB are connected to TV and Projector. The problems are the same if I connect the TV to MAIN and projector to SUB or the projector to MAIN and the TV to SUB.
I am pretty sure it is not a resolution problem, because both devices, TV and projector, are 1080p capable, and I have used them in 1080p with the receiver.
The important fact is... if only the projector is connected to the receiver it works well. But if I am using the projector and then I connect the HDMI cable of the TV, then it stops working, even with the TV off!!!! As long as I disconnect the cable, it works again!!!!! It doesn't seem a HDMI-handshake issue to me...
One thing I didn't mention is that the projector is connected with a 10m cable to the receiver... could it be a physical problem? That the receiver didn't have enough power to drive both HDMIs?
I am considering putting a HDMI switch to the HDMI main, in order to be able to see both devices, but it's very bad to have to put another device, considering that the 709 have two outputs...

aLeX

Thanks for the info Alex - your explanation makes complete sense and according to what I know you have connected everything properly. Did you try any of the other HDMI connection modes to see if it would work any other way? Thats the only other thing I can think of besides an HDMI board issue which wouldn't be too far of stretch for our beloved Onkyo's to have. Maybe someone else has an idea. Good luck with your issue either way.

-Nate
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post #1934 of 2234
10/3/12 at 1:54am
What do you mean with "other HDMI connection modes"?

The point is that the TV doesn't fail when both HDMI are connected, so I am suspecting about the projector needing too much HDMI signal to work, or the onkyo giving low signal (and running through the 10m cable is not helping). I would like to try connecting the receiver to the TV and another hdmi device, placed near the receiver, but I don't have any other devices right now. I'll see if I can manage to get one to test it.

aLeX
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post #1935 of 2234
10/3/12 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by Scandermore View Post

What do you mean with "other HDMI connection modes"?
The point is that the TV doesn't fail when both HDMI are connected, so I am suspecting about the projector needing too much HDMI signal to work, or the onkyo giving low signal (and running through the 10m cable is not helping). I would like to try connecting the receiver to the TV and another hdmi device, placed near the receiver, but I don't have any other devices right now. I'll see if I can manage to get one to test it.
aLeX

I mean switching to "BOTH - Main" and "BOTH - Sub" -

I dont know about 10 meters being to much length but I have my main ran with a 30 foot HDMI and the other with a 25 ft and haven't had any issues. Granted, I'm not currently running 3D to either one even though one of the units is 3D capable.
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post #1936 of 2234
10/4/12 at 12:45am
Yes, I did try the "Both", "Both (Main)" and "Both (Sub)", with same results. Also I have tried connecting the projector to the main and sub outputs.

Today I will able to try my hdmi pc screen, in order to see if it works, or it's a projector-distance problem. Also I will try to change a service (hidden) parameter in the projector that sets the cable configuration from 0-10m to 10-20 (don't know what it does. Maybe increase sensibility?).

Thanks for your advice.

aLeX
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post #1937 of 2234
10/4/12 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by ten8yp View Post

Most of the 09 series did not have the issue but like all pieces of electronics there were isolated reports.
Wait? You FORGOT about the insurance company... seems like that was your issue from the very start.
Ignorance is bliss my friend... you knew going in you wouldn't be able to get Onkyo's help if you had issues. So why would you be upset that you had issues and they weren't willing to help.................................... You can dislike that a company does not wish to deal internationally among its products but you knew that ahead of time and it seems the issue is the buyer there. Sorry. Also, I might add that most other manufacturers of electronic equipment (unless based there in Australia) are not very likely to honor a warranty on a product you purchased in Germany, then had shipped to Australia and most likely did not come from a licensed distributor. I'm just sayin.
The reason that receiver from Germany was probably half the cost was most likely because it was not being sold by a licensed distributor and already had issues that they knew about. There is a reason why people sell stuff cheap and internationally like that... and there is a reason why companies like Denon and Onkyo REQUIRE that people purchase from their distributors in order to honor their warranty. Those other non-licensed companies can do anything to their equipment... alter it, abuse it, use it and sell it as new, etc etc etc. They are not held to the same standards. Consequentially, this runs the price up for the consumer. But when you really think about it, its worth that little extra to have peace of mind and know that you bought a product that a company is willing to stand behind. Thats why I DO NOT (and do not recommend other people) buy REFURBISHED electronics unless it comes straight from the manufacturer. Not a good idea if you ask me but thats a whole different topic.
Other than all of the information above the only other reasons they dont honor international warranties are because of the liability of usage in other parts of the world and the amounts of times receivers in those parts of the world will be shipped. There are inherent risks involved with shipping electronics. A risk they dont wish to take and quite honestly, I do NOT blame them.
Onkyo CAN fix the issue... they can decline to use the same manufacturer for the HDMI boards on the next model. You can bet that they will make changes. Regardless, after you make and sell a certain number of receivers (more than any other brand on the market in their price ranges) they will undoubtedly have issues in a certain number of them. Its simple math.
Good luck with Emotiva... I love their stuff but make sure and check out some of the threads on them before you make up your mind about it. LOL.
Did you adjust the HDMI output mode on the receiver to match your setup?
Also, I'm sure it was a typo but the projector receives HDMI input, not outputs to the receiver unless your'e referring to having an HDMI-thru issue. Do projectors even do HDMI thru? I'm not very experienced with them as of yet.



A couple of important points.

I think you will find the Hdmi board failure is more common in the 09 series than you think.
The product was bought ,and shipped directly from Amazon,and is not a refurbished,it was cheaper because the newer models were being bought out soon
I have read the emotiva forums,and except for their Umc 1 most of their products get great reviews.
Your opinions on why no international warranties are partially true,but i do believe its mostly for the protection of their distributors against people skipping them and buying cheaper overseas.
We get overcharged here,its well known.

Either way consumers expect new equipment to last more than 9 month,and their is no reasonable excuse not to fix it regardless of location,this is the globalised market,globalise the warranties as well

You seem to go out of your way to defend them,most of your post are presumptions .

I accept that i went in with my eyes open with the reasonable expectation that a big company can produce a product that wont fail within the first year,that is why i expect better from them,and not hiding from their responsibilities.
Edited by mrp11 - 10/4/12 at 1:02am
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post #1938 of 2234
10/4/12 at 1:39am
Sorry you dont like that they aren't willing to warranty internationally shipped products... not going to change the fact that they dont and not going to change the fact that you knew ahead of time and chose to ignore it. Sorry you live in an expensive country. Sorry trying to skimp/cheat the system cost you in the long run. What else would you like for me to apologize for?

Yes, I defend Onkyo. I have loved Onkyo for almost 20 years and have never had an issue with any of their products.

I tell you what... I'm in a helpful mood. How much you want for that receiver? I have the skill and resources to fix it. I'll buy it off of you and atleast you can recover a little of your money instead of being out the whole amount.
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post #1939 of 2234
10/11/12 at 1:53am
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Originally Posted by mrp11 View Post

Hdmi has just failed on mine after 9 months.
I bought it from Amazon Germany ,and live in Australia ,so my warranty is not coverered unless sent back overseas even though they have service centres here,.
Maybe someone should start a class action law suit for the Hdmi issue.
Im so Pissed.

Who did you try and contact, Ambertech? There are couple of places where you can get Onkyo fixed.. I know when I had problems with the 5 series I had to look into it (though I never went through with it).
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The reason that receiver from Germany was probably half the cost was most likely because it was not being sold by a licensed distributor and already had issues that they knew about.

Pretty sure he got it from Amazon, once you removed the tax (as it didn't apply) the deal was very good compared to what it sold in Australia.

edit: I see he did.. teaches me to read to the end and +1 on you coming out like a tool. Haven't been here for a long time but I can't remember seeing too many people like you back in those days.
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10/11/12 at 3:56pm
I have a Sony SACD player that I connected to the 709 using the multichannel inputs so I can listen to my 5.1 SACD's. On my previous 705, there was a multichannel button that I could hit to enable it and then easily switch back to normal DD OR DTS when watching a Blu-ray. Now, with the 709, I find that the only way to listen to the 5.1 SACDs is to go into the Audio Selector menu of the receiver and choose "MultiCh." But then, if I want to watch Blu-rays, I have to go back into the menu and switch it back to HDMI.

Is there an easier way so I don't have to go into the menu?
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10/12/12 at 6:25am
Just use the HDMI cable when listening to SACD content. Your receiver supports DSD. Is your SACD player a stand alone unit with no HDMI outputs? One suggestion would be to look around for a new or used bdp-s770 - it plays sacd using DSD.

http://www.sa-cd.net/faq#audio1

What is the difference between PCM and DSD?

PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) is a very abstract way to describe an analog signal in a digital way but it's the best way that existed at the beginning of the eighties when CD was developed and introduced. In PCM, every sample consists of a combination of bits (typically between 14 and 24, depending on the carrier) describing the amplitude of the signal. The number of bits determines the resolution of how finely the signal can be described, where every added bit doubles the number of levels that can be distinguished.

Converting from analog sound to PCM and back to analog sound involves a fair number of processing steps, such as quantization. Every step can cause further distortions such as quantization noise, which has to be filtered out, in turn again deteriorating the sound quality.

DSD on the other hand is an extremely simple way of converting from analog to digital and back. The entire process is extremely transparent. In fact, the DSD bit stream is so closely related - perhaps analogous would be a proper term here - to the analog signal that if you were to feed it to a speaker (as a series of +1 and -1 values) you'd get back audible music.
Edited by myoda - 10/12/12 at 6:30am
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10/12/12 at 8:43am
Does anyone know if I can use both pre-amp and speaker-level Zone 2 outputs simultaneously with the TX-NR709?

I've been trying to decide between the 709 and 717 for a while and the differences between these for me really come down to a couple of critical features: Audyssey MultiEQ XT (709) v. 2EQ (717) and the Zone 3 feature that the 717 offers.

I anticipate using the third zone to feed music to my back yard with Zone 2 used for speakers in my living room. These zones would only really be used when we entertain and I can't really think of a reason why I would ever want to drive them simultaneously from different sources. So now I'm thinking I can achieve the same ends with the 709 if I can use Zone 2 speaker-level outputs for the living room and Zone 2 pre-outs (through the receiver I am looking to replace) for the back yard. If I can do that, then the 709 becomes a much more viable option for me. (I realize that by using the 709 to power zone 2 speakers I'l be limiting myself to 5.2 audio in my main A/V room, and I'm okay with that.)

So, is this possible? Thanks in advance for your input.
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10/12/12 at 9:25am
Yup. AFAIK, the only caveat is you never want to connect the pre-out and speaker posts to the same speaker (eg. to bi-amp).
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10/12/12 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

Just use the HDMI cable when listening to SACD content. Your receiver supports DSD. Is your SACD player a stand alone unit with no HDMI outputs? One suggestion would be to look around for a new or used bdp-s770 - it plays sacd using DSD.

Yeah, I have the Sony C555ES 5-Disc SACD player, no HDMI output.

Oh well, it's not like I listen to SACD's all the time. I guess when I do, I'll just have to go into the receiver's Audio Selector menu.

EDIT: I just realized, I could use my Oppo 970 to play SACDs. smile.gif
Edited by fiilmbuddy - 10/12/12 at 2:23pm
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10/13/12 at 7:34am
You should be good to go with hdmi and your 970...

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv970hd/dv970hd-adv-setup-guide.pdf

Page 7:

HDMI is a wonderful thing. A single cable can transport both audio AND
video from your DVD player to your display. Be aware, however, that
HDMI is an evolving standard, and there could be compatibility issues.
The OPPO DV-970HD supports HDMI 1.1 audio. A receiver that supports
HDMI 1.1 is required in order to play multi-channel audio for all formats,
including DVD-Video/Audio and SACD (SACD DSD audio converted to
multi-channel PCM). If the receiver supports HDMI 1.0 only, DVD-Audio
and SACD will NOT be able to be sent via HDMI. To utlize DVD-Audio or
SACD, please see next section for multi-channel analogue audio
connection.
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10/13/12 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by DeeJayK View Post

Does anyone know if I can use both pre-amp and speaker-level Zone 2 outputs simultaneously with the TX-NR709?
I've been trying to decide between the 709 and 717 for a while and the differences between these for me really come down to a couple of critical features: Audyssey MultiEQ XT (709) v. 2EQ (717) and the Zone 3 feature that the 717 offers.
I anticipate using the third zone to feed music to my back yard with Zone 2 used for speakers in my living room. These zones would only really be used when we entertain and I can't really think of a reason why I would ever want to drive them simultaneously from different sources. So now I'm thinking I can achieve the same ends with the 709 if I can use Zone 2 speaker-level outputs for the living room and Zone 2 pre-outs (through the receiver I am looking to replace) for the back yard. If I can do that, then the 709 becomes a much more viable option for me. (I realize that by using the 709 to power zone 2 speakers I'l be limiting myself to 5.2 audio in my main A/V room, and I'm okay with that.)
So, is this possible? Thanks in advance for your input.

Love the zone 3 in the 717, wish my 709 had it... the difference between the 2EQ and MultEQ-XT are night and day but......

Long explanantion as to why it MIGHT not be that important- While after using Audesssey for years now, I USED TO LOVE what it did. Back then, I wasn't able to tweak my audio setup to my liking as easily or knowledgeably. Now that I am more in-the-know about such things I PREFER the sound I get by setting the curves and tweaking specific sounds/settings myself as opposed to the sound I get from direct Audessey calibration. I DO still use it as a base point sometimes but most of the time only when I'm in a hurry or need to re-calibrate quickly.

As far as how to set up your rooms... you would only have 5.2 IF you are playing both the main and zone 2 simultaneously. Otherwise you could use whichever set of speaker outputs you are NOT using for the zone 2 in your main room (ex. if you're using front highs in the main, you could use the rears as zone 2 or vice-verca)

I personally LOVE that the 717 will play both from different sources simultaneously. For instance, if I had a 717 I would be able to have people watching a movie in my theater AND other people watching ESPN in my adjacent billiards room and a third zone would give me a tv/speakers in the bar area next to that without having to run my current setup of two receivers.

The other thing to think about is that the 717 has been reported to have LOTS more problems than the 709 had. Not that the 709 was without them but there seem to be MORE cases of them with the 717. So there are some DEFINITE Pro's and Cons with BOTH receivers. Just food for thought... good luck with your decision.

-Nate
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post #1947 of 2234
10/14/12 at 3:10pm
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Yup. AFAIK, the only caveat is you never want to connect the pre-out and speaker posts to the same speaker (eg. to bi-amp).

Thanks for the quick response.
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10/14/12 at 3:21pm
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Does anyone know if I can use both pre-amp and speaker-level Zone 2 outputs simultaneously with the TX-NR709?
I've been trying to decide between the 709 and 717 for a while and the differences between these for me really come down to a couple of critical features: Audyssey MultiEQ XT (709) v. 2EQ (717) and the Zone 3 feature that the 717 offers.
I anticipate using the third zone to feed music to my back yard with Zone 2 used for speakers in my living room. These zones would only really be used when we entertain and I can't really think of a reason why I would ever want to drive them simultaneously from different sources. So now I'm thinking I can achieve the same ends with the 709 if I can use Zone 2 speaker-level outputs for the living room and Zone 2 pre-outs (through the receiver I am looking to replace) for the back yard. If I can do that, then the 709 becomes a much more viable option for me. (I realize that by using the 709 to power zone 2 speakers I'l be limiting myself to 5.2 audio in my main A/V room, and I'm okay with that.)
So, is this possible? Thanks in advance for your input.
Love the zone 3 in the 717, wish my 709 had it... the difference between the 2EQ and MultEQ-XT are night and day but......
Long explanantion as to why it MIGHT not be that important- While after using Audesssey for years now, I USED TO LOVE what it did. Back then, I wasn't able to tweak my audio setup to my liking as easily or knowledgeably. Now that I am more in-the-know about such things I PREFER the sound I get by setting the curves and tweaking specific sounds/settings myself as opposed to the sound I get from direct Audessey calibration. I DO still use it as a base point sometimes but most of the time only when I'm in a hurry or need to re-calibrate quickly.
That pretty well sums up the way I felt about Audyssey. While the MultiXT would be nice, I feel I could get by with just the 2EQ and/or my own ears and tweaking. However, after I started reading in some other threads here, it seems like the consensus opinion of most users here is that 2EQ was all but unusable.
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As far as how to set up your rooms... you would only have 5.2 IF you are playing both the main and zone 2 simultaneously. Otherwise you could use whichever set of speaker outputs you are NOT using for the zone 2 in your main room (ex. if you're using front highs in the main, you could use the rears as zone 2 or vice-verca)
Would this mean swapping speaker wires in and out to get 7.2 in the main? Or is there some simpler way to accomplish this? Frankly, the size of my media room probably doesn't justify the expense/complexity of 7.2 anyway, so I'll probably just stick with 5.2 (or 5.1) at least for now.
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I personally LOVE that the 717 will play both from different sources simultaneously. For instance, if I had a 717 I would be able to have people watching a movie in my theater AND other people watching ESPN in my adjacent billiards room and a third zone would give me a tv/speakers in the bar area next to that without having to run my current setup of two receivers.
The other thing to think about is that the 717 has been reported to have LOTS more problems than the 709 had. Not that the 709 was without them but there seem to be MORE cases of them with the 717. So there are some DEFINITE Pro's and Cons with BOTH receivers. Just food for thought... good luck with your decision.
-Nate

Thanks for all your input. In the end, I found a used 709 for a decent price and so I decided to go that way. I figure that way I can experience the Audyssey myself and see just how much I value it and whether I miss the third zone.
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post #1949 of 2234
10/16/12 at 4:43pm
So, after almost 4 months without my receiver and finally getting a replacement from Onkyo, my second 709 has failed. The first 5 HDMI ports (all on the same HDMI board) have failed. 6, 7 and the Aux on the front all work since they are on a separate board. My first unit lasted almost 2 months before failing, this one lasted less than 3 weeks. I almost feel bad for whoever I get at the call center tomorrow, because I am NOT happy. I should have known when the replacement unit they sent me was on the potential recall list for sound issues that this one wasn't a keeper. What the heck is going on with Onkyo??
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post #1950 of 2234
10/20/12 at 6:20am
Anyone has an idea how big a UPS I'd need to keep this thing on for a few minutes, enough to turn it off?

Does it apply that if it can output 130w to 7 speakers, I'd need 910w when speakers are run at 100%? and around 640 when run at 70%? Plus the consumption of the unit itself (without the speakers)?
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